Why are you against socialism?

Why are you against socialism?

Because I am better than you.

It's authoritarianism that puts the group before the individual

It exploits poor people for the financial gain of a small elite.
Socialism is everything Socialists claim Capitalism is.

I'll immigrate to Venezuela once it starts working in their country

The military is basically ran on socialism, now imagine having the whole country do it. We would end up like Greece.

because i hate society

>muh narcissism
>muh human nature

We don't need fuckers like you anyway.

>Venezuela

That's all the reason I need to hate it

stifles motivation for innovation

Because violence is wrong.

Socialists are the rejected trash and deformed children of pure communism who thinks communism can be applied to society who blindly thinks individuals will practice altruism when in fact personal greed fucks those who aren't smart?

Because I'm not 18 years old anymore

If you like socialism, I'll buy you a ticket to Venezuela and you can live there in the people's paradise.

Yeah, because I'm really motivated to wageslave my entire life away.

Fuck you.

I'm not a fucken hooknose

So I support it

Venezuela meme? Go live in russia. Same causes. Embargoes and sanctions. But right wing so nobody cares

Venezuela is state capitalism, you retards

Society degrades when the individual is before the group, that's why we have degenerate sluts everywhere. Because we teach women to value personal indulgence instead of everyone.

>The purpose of socialism is communism
t. Guy who fucked up the greatest monarchy the world has ever seen and turned its country into a bunch of starving dogs

Did you like just learn English? You just described literally capitalism. Using the working class for the benefit of the already-rich upper class.

Does liking National Socialism count?

How is the military run on socialism?

Read the road to serfdom

As a tripfag you probably just think that because you get beat up constantly. Fuck off to tumblr attention whore.

>agree to do job for wage
>can quit at any time
>no one chaining you up and whipping you for not working
>slavery
so are you a welfare nigger or a pissed off bernout?

>russian empire
>greatest monarchy

they were a bunch of starving dogs already

there were nationalists that could have won and probably wouldve allied with hitler

The people on Sup Forums who have the worst English are always, always, Americans.

It might blow your tiny mind, but Socialism is everything Socialists say Capitalism is. If this sentence is too complicated for your reread it or run it trough google translate, maybe Mexican of Hebrew is your thing.

>so are you a welfare nigger or a pissed off bernout?

What's the difference?

2/3 non-conjunctions in that sentence were buzzwords.

Because I shouldn't have to work so someone else can be a lazy nigger and take a part of my paycheck.

Are you like adding onto your posts or did you think we wouldn't notice or what

Or because I'm a Christian with moral backbone.

“Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )
“Do not return evil for evil.” ( 1 Pet 3.9 , Rom 12.17 , 1 Thes 5.15 )
“Overcome evil with good.”( Rom 12.21 ) “Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’” (Rom 12.19 )

How has your trip from reddit been?

"can quit any time"

And then starve to death? Fucking idiot.

Because it creates a dependence upon the state for survival and because state run programs are invariably less efficient then privately run companies.

One can certainly make a compelling case that the working class do not get their fair share of the profits since the wealthy control the means of production. None the less the state is still a needless middleman, what the working class need are better wages, not government handouts. A free market economy with fair wages is far more efficient.

Alright I'm gonna take the bait. In what universe does socialism incite violence?

>state run programs are invariably less efficient then privately run companies.
Ah yes, remember all those socialist countries that proved this, like... uh...

...

The US invaded Iraq so therefore capitalism causes violence. Check and mate.

>live in nature
>decide hunting and farming is oppressive and a form of slavery
>stop getting food
>starve
Why is nature such an evil capitalist?

I'm anti-social

Government is necessarily violent. Taxation is inherently violent - you can't simply not pay taxes, or else people will eventually come to take your property. If you resist them they'll kill you.
If you're the super special "dirty filthy hippies" in this image - great. You're an exception to the trend. Most socialists love government and aren't.

Is this a troll? Am I being baited?

Because it goes against 4 billion years of instinct.

Exceptionalism is the exception, and there always have to be losers and winners. Distributed wealth is unnatural, and unsustainable as long as human beings are in the picture.

Capitalism isn't a byproduct of human nature, it's a byproduct of life itself.

If quitting your job means starving to death, if you can't find a new job, don't have anyone who can help you like family or friends, can't create a job for yourself or find any way to sustain yourself after leaving your job then yes, you should starve to death, because you're absolutely worthless.

If I left my job I could easily live about 4 years on the money I've saved up because of Capitalism. I could move in with my parents or friends because I am not a friendless socialist who no one likes. I could get a new job or go learn a new trade. I could grow my own food and sell it.
Socialism doesn't give you those options. It exploits the poor by keeping them poor.

No, he's just an idiot.

You're a /leftypol/ retard who has stepped out of his echo chamber for the first time in his life.

i would like to live where i could grow/hunt my own food make my own stuff etc

unfortunately shit like government regulation prevents me from doing so

What the fuck are you on about? That guy just said he doesn't support socialism because it's violent, and used China as a counterpoint. I used USA to turn his logic against him.

Or did you just make this shitty infographic and want to share it?

hippie collectives are literally left-libertarians

Under rated post.

I think a former member of the USSR is more knowledgeable on the topic than you are, my young redditfriend.

Nigger the majority of your entire country is fucking uninhabited. Do it if you're not a pussy.

It doesn't work

Latvia really is right. People on the socialist side confuse Corporatism with Capitalism, and therefore think that in Capitalism, a small elite controls everything. That mostly describes Socialism, and Corporatism, but not true Capitalism

no

Government loves to take away your basic rights and then blame capitalism for it.
These Socialist retards actually believe that you can't grow your own food because of Capitalism. As if it's Capitalist to use government power to keep people in the shitter and not allow them to have the power uplift themselves.

>State capitalism
>Socialism

Heh...

No arab sand niggas did.

>not realizing that socialism just makes a new upper class with state authority.
Your ideology is the creation science of economics.

>confuse Corporatism with Capitalism
It goes further than that. They confuse Socialism with Capitalism.
They blame Capitalism for problems that Socialist programs created.

Your economic views are based Latvia. Capitalism ftw.

yes

>That guy just said he doesn't support socialism because it's violent
You mean *ME*?
Are you having trouble keeping up here?

W...What

>institute communism
>muh state capitulism

you fuckers are oppressed by reality.

Big whoop faggot. So answer the question. If you dislike socialism because you dislike violence, but you say government itself is violent...

Is this some convoluted way of saying you're a libertarian/anarchist? Because I really don't have much disagreement with anarchism and in that case we're literally arguing about nothing.

Fuck you if you think venezuela is capitalism, you dont know anything about that country, i guess is tru wat people say about brazilian there are bunch of monkeys with no inteligence

>brazilian there are bunch of monkeys with no inteligence
gr8 b8

It eats through the accumulation of the wealth of a country and turns more people towards the state as a paternal figure. Look at Denmark, half a century or so it was looked down upon to accept government aid as it was seen as burdening your neighbor. Now, as more people accept government welfare it does not have the same stigma as it once had and abundant as the aid is more and more people use more of it.

It is a corroding force which harms the
individual makes him to not be self reliant and depend on family and community but rather look towards the state for it. It therfore harms the community and society as a whole.

Socialism is great, as long as you have capitalists who fund it. Once the capitalists disappear, run out of money, or decide to stop funding it, then there is no more money to redistribute and socialism fails. So you have to make sure you keep capitalism alive and healthy, and the capitalists motivated to keep making money you can redirect, at the same time as your socialist systems are in play.

>you dislike socialism because you dislike violence, but you say government itself is violent
The "but" makes no sense here.
I dislike socialism because socialism in virtually all its manifestations in the *actual world* are through government, and government is *necessarily violent*. Since I hold violence to be morally evil, I have such a conclusion.

I am an anarchist. That's another position I come from which leads me to hate socialism.

A big thing socialists seem to not understand is the very regulation keeping businesses from being the evil conglomerates lefties despise, is what creates giant monopolistic entities in today's global market. The reasoning because large corporations can lobby for more legislation that helps to weed out competition through ridiculous and costly regulation. It's hard to pay the wages of your employees when you need to pay for millions in unnecessary things just to cover government regulations. Meanwhile big corp laughs all the way to the bank while they lobby for more and more and the liberals eat it up. The French had some damn good ideas when it came to Laissez Faire policies in capitalist economic systems.

because its dysgenic and breeds lower-iq gibsmedats


If you incorporated a sense of a nation.. like for instance Nationalism.. then you could combine the two..

National.. Socialism? Sounds cool.

No. You're a retard. Socialism and communism locks the people down under "equality" while the people at the top in the inner party can have and do almost anything.

Except part of socialism is that the worker is his own person, we are essentially all independent contractors. In this respect, socialism is even MORE self-reliant.

In capitalism, the worker is basically owned by the company he works for because he needs them to get money, while in socialism the worker is needed by the company.

I can't even believe people are stupid enough to believe that "state capitalism" isn't socialism.

I think the food distribution scheme in venezuela is top notch mate. Clearly shows the power of socialism.
I also hear there internet is so great, they get 120 fps in CSGO.
Oh whoops, most Venezuelans no longer get internet and are too busy trying to locate 1 meal a day.

Well you could've just fuckin' said that. I thought you were capitalist.

This. The state owns the means of production so its socialism, state capitalism is a term leftists made up to deflect from the fact that socialism has historically always failed.

What about national socialism that only benefits white working class families, secures borders, and doesn't allow jobs to be outsourced to third worlders?

> A government did a thing so capitalism bad

I'm a voluntarist.
I like freedom and hate people.

Because we know the concept of ownership

Women can be sluts if they want

I don't care

Western society is better than what it was 50 years ago in regards to standard of living and crimes

Why are you for socialism? Please explain.
Please.

Because it's a fantasy and it will never truly work

Shame so many people died trying to make it happen

Same could be said about capitalism

>le sigh

Socialists get lost in verbal garbage. These people do not have a pragmatic view of the world.
They're not interested in exactly what kind of policies are being enacted, who is getting money from who, what kind of regulations are in place to support or hinder people who want to uplift themselves, what's the tax rate and how the taxes are effecting job creation etc. They don't care about real tangible stuff. They care about these weird obscure concepts of ''seizing the means of production'' and all sorts of obtuse buzzwords. They don't even know what they're saying themselves.

To me ''seizing the means of production'' sounds like Capitalism. I don't think these people know what they're even saying. Me having the rights use my own capital to produce something is quite literally me seizing the means of production.

Tbh I think in an anarchist society people would naturally develop into communes where everyone would have a job and they share the production from their jobs, because if you're a fisherman how are you gonna get fruits and vegetables? If you're a farmer how are you gonna get wood to build with? If you're a lumberjack how are you... etc, in other words, essentially socialism.

You do realize society will devolve, yes?

I... I'm still not sure if you're an idiot or a troll.

Ignoring the fact that state capitalism is an oxymoron as valid as saying cold warmth, Venezuela has communal councils where the workers organize the means of production, not the state. So you can't blame your make-belief state capitalism.

It's all Cultural Marxism. It's just so funny that the entire philosophy is based on fantasy and distortion of reality. That's the only way it can even "function"

Nope. I would live innawoods and trade with people for what I want.
I'm not interested in sharing shit, or seeing anyone else forced to share shit. If you want something from me, ask/trade for it.

Also
>if you're a fisherman how are you gonna get fruits and vegetables? If you're a farmer how are you gonna get wood to build with?
Free trade seems like an obvious answer.

Just say that I am both, Socialist, you could never possibly be wrong, an idiot or a troll. Nope. A Socialist is definitely none of those things.
You're so smart, dude.

Capitalism is a market form.

Sozialism is a governing form you tard.

Come back when you know the diference.

I kind of agree with this sentiment. Right-wing economics are clearly the best by far, but true AnCap society is just as impossible as Socialism imo. Without some semblance of Govt. law, order, and publicly funded endeavors, It'd be Mad Max.

Pot calling the kettle black.