First it was Suicide Squad. Now it's Wonder Woman. Fans keep looking to the next film on the DC Extended Universe release schedule to be the project that will mark the shift toward the DC movies they want to see, but a sad truth is emerging: one great film and multiple weak ones does not a great franchise make. No single superhero film is going to be able to swoop in at the last minute and save the day for this franchise. There need to be multiple great films to really mark a change for the series.
Enough? Because Hollywood execs have obscenely high standards as to what constitutes a success.
Carson Walker
>shilling IGN
holy shit, Sup Forums is dying so fucking hard when they are actually looking toward IGN for anything other than keks
fuck you you stupid millennial.
Carson Carter
BvS and MoS made over half a billion dollars each. So will Suicide Squad. JL and WW will likely make even more.
Ethan Miller
But SS is doing well. Also . The larger issue is creating a cobble together universe to compensate for being late to the game. Three movies a universe does not immediately make. It take time. We got more than that in the MCU establishing 4 characters across 4(?) movies >Iron Man 1+2 >Thor >Captain America >Hulk
Anthony Brooks
By the time we get the Justice League movie there will have been 5 movies
Marvel had the Avengers movie as it's 6th
They aren't rushing anything
Eli Martinez
It still hasnt met the absurd Studio standards. It made its money back, but WB still wants a big winner and ultimately will unknowingly sabotage their own movies to do so. Wonder Woman will disappoint, and Justice League is dead on arrival
Julian Fisher
The director already said it's complete bullshit.
Aaron Kelly
They already have user. And they still need to flesh out Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, and Steppenwolf in one movie, not to mention revive Superman. Just look at how much theyve crammed in their first 2 installments, and Suicide Squad has little to do with JL so it barely counts as proper setup
Michael Turner
>Three movies a universe does not immediately make
Three movies in and there's already more of a cohesive shared universe than what Marvel had AFTER Avengers.
Owen Torres
No, he didn't. He called it art and that he had the final say in the theatrical cut.
Carter Collins
>more than one IGN thread in a single day some intern has too much time on his hands
So, we are still running with the "disgruntled ex-employee" story. Great.
Jackson Harris
>There need to be multiple great films to really mark a change for the series.
I'd like to see them make one decent film first.
Wyatt Wright
You cant honestly think thats a good idea. So you want Superman to be the dues ex machina of the final act, fly out of his grave, and basically save the day for the final battle?
Ryder Stewart
Right. Because we ALL remember What'sHisFace's backstory from Thor the Dark World. Because Black Widow's solo movie really filled in the blanks. Budapest!
Nolan Ross
So three characters and a villain? Just like every movie ever. Sounds like a big ask, not.
Austin Davis
I think the reason why DC movies are some what bad is because there not made by love. There made by people who don’t like, don’t care, don’t understand the characters and don’t understand what the means to people and the world. Like Zack Snyder for example doesn’t understand Superman. Superman in his movies isn’t Superman. Superman isn’t dark. That’s Batman’s job. Superman isn’t realistic He isn’t gritty. He’s hopeful, optimistic and fun. He’s outfit should be bright. He can in dark stories but he him self must not be dark.
Angel Rivera
Be honest, no one gives a shit about Widow And WB has done SO well juggling characters thus far havent they?
Colton Gomez
His Death was dumb, might as well make the Return dumb:
>And WB has done SO well juggling characters thus far havent they? WB? Yes. This is the studio that made Harry Potter, perhaps the most famous trinity (Harry/Ron/Hermoine) in the world today. Also the matrix, one of the most amazing ensemble movies headlined by a staple trinity (Trinity/Neo/Morpheus).
In the DC Universe. Yes again, Superman/Lois/Jor-El/Zod.
I worry that you guys don't think sometimes.
Luke Collins
That doesn't stop them from being awful, forgettable movies. They infuriate fans too and waste everyone's time.
Nathan Gonzalez
yes they have user, I really liked how we got to see Superman really make a change on Batman, which further establishes Superman as the "first" superhero, transforming Batman from a vigilante to a superhero.
Logan Murphy
This.
Just one good movie. That's all I want to see.
Jeremiah Green
They don't need to be remembered, they just need to profit for now.
Then they can reboot it and do better next time. Everybody wins!
Luis Hill
>And WB has done SO well juggling characters thus far havent they?
I think so. It's far more cohesive than Marvel in certain regard.
Liam Carter
Wow the autism is strong today. Hows Sup Forums these days?
Carson Ward
this
yes, cause neo-Sup Forums is full of meme hustlers, bitch plebs, and cancer
They already made 2 and a half decent films user, im sorry your taste does not allow you to enjoy them
Aaron Bell
lol. Yes, please accuse me of autism because I'm aware of the movies WB has produced.
Benjamin Diaz
>dumb
man you made such great points and really explained why someone should hate it.
but in all seriousness, I really love that scene, with just two lines Superman assures us his love for humanity is equal to his love for Lois, despite all the hate and praise and arguing over politics.
Jacob James
>autism
i dont think that word means what you think it means you walking pile of aborted fetuses.
Wyatt Brown
>but in all seriousness, I really love that scene, with just two lines Superman assures us his love for humanity is equal to his love for Lois, despite all the hate and praise and arguing over politics. I believe the point is also that the world is mistrusting of Superman and thus unable to accept them. By giving his life he makes the ultimate sacrifice and shows unequivocally that his intentions were nought but the best.
Liam Hill
>forgettable movies
How are they forgettable when we're STILL talking about MoS and BvS almost on a daily basis. Meanwhile the old Marvel movies are forgotten whenever a new one comes out.
Kevin Long
wrong movie
Isaiah Rodriguez
oh for sure, I just really love his last line before death too. Its also assuring Lois that he loves her just as much as he loves humanity. Its a kind of super, platonic love. Maybe its just im really into the girl im seeing right now, but seeing Superman being forced to leave the only human (outside of his family) that has unconditionally accepted him, and seeing how in love they are, just pulls on my heart strings.
We don't get enough cute couples in superhero movies
Sebastian Cox
If you don't like it just don't watch the movies. I haven't seen BvS or Suicide Squad yet and I'm trucking along just fine.
Alexander Cook
>We don't get enough cute couples in superhero movies Aquaman is coming user.
Ryan Campbell
Coming from someone who loves MoS and BvS, the best thing these comic movies in general do is allow for reprints.
I love Aquaman, super excited for the movie, but I'm way more excited at the prospect of having reprints of David's run. Happened with Ostrander's run of SS, and we're getting some Wonder Woman shit already.
I assume it's the same for Marvel as well. Any Marvel fans able to confirm?
Connor Martin
It doesn't matter how many movies of set up there is, if the set up you give doesn't win people over.
Why would I care about this Superman coming back from the dead for Justice League if I didn't like him? Hell, why would I bother seeing him get his shit pushed in by Batman if I didn't like him?
Kayden Cruz
I kind of see what you mean. The DCEU has been a hot mess for me but it's given me an excuse to re-read and story time Birthright, at least.
Wyatt Turner
What? The Wonder Woman director trashed his own movie?
Josiah Wilson
Shit, did I get it wrong? I thought Ayer was the one saying "Art! My cut!" It's getting difficult to keep up with this shit.
Landon Diaz
Fans don't mean shit if there are enough mainstream audience who have no problem paying to watch the movies.
Jacob Lopez
>he
Samuel Morales
>They infuriate fans No, no, user. They're made for the fans, don'tcha see? If you didn't like it, you're a critic and if you're a critic you couldn't possibly see how awesome the DCEU is.
Carter Perry
Ayer's a guy. He said that he was fine with the cinema SS cut and that it was art:
A movie with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman for the first should have broke the billion mark.
Jordan Harris
You do realize that was talking about Wonder Woman, right?
Christian Smith
>Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman for the first should have broke the billion mark
The fucking name recognition alone should've rivaled The Force Awakens.
Landon Miller
This
Robert Ramirez
how can you like Birthright and not like BvS? It takes so much right out of it, including its interpretation of Lex. Pic related
Nathaniel Hall
Agreed, and it's paying off for Marvel because the audience is so invested in the characters and the general universe that they'll come back for every film, even for the characters they've never heard of. With BvS it's like listening to a depressed drunk retell a story in a divey bar, it's not really the tone you want for a shared universe of superheroes, (classic monster universe, it's spot on).
Thomas Hughes
>A movie with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman for the first should have broke the billion mark.
You're all so greedy and critical.
Benjamin Fisher
It's a testament to how much of an influence the reviewers have, we can easily shape the public's opinion just with by writing a page or two
Liam Price
>they fire me i'm going to expose them for the retards they are >i probably should do it in a straightforward way that gives me credibility >fuck that i'm going to throw a tantrum and look like i'm doing it because i'm all butthurt but those who loves the company fucking will have their ammo for the rest of the year!
yeah, no good narrative for the doomsayers, though
Joseph Davis
When did Wonder Woman's director say her film was complete bullshit?
Daniel Ward
>With BvS it's like listening to a depressed drunk retell a story in a divey bar
Millenial please. How much Xanax do you have to take daily if you think BvS is depressing?
Tyler Jenkins
It should when you spend $400mil in marketing alone.
Jaxon Bennett
How is denying the ex-employee thing saying her film is bullshit?
Nolan Stewart
Then they still made over 200 million in profits. What's the big deal? It did much, much better than most of the MCU films.
Camden Anderson
This thread again? About the butthurt fired employee?
Evan Bennett
If done properly this could work. It just needs good buildup.
Wyatt Gonzalez
The other anons are not wrong though. Those three are so famous that even people who aren't comic book fans know about them. Prior to MCU, Avengers are nobodies to mainstream audience, so saying that they did "much, much better than most MCU films" really isn't saying much, it's like the minimum expectation, really. The comparison to Force Awakens is also appropriate, because that IS the level to be expected from an established property.
Doing much better than most of the MCU films may be a big deal for other properties, but for Batman AND Superman AND Wonder Woman, they have to be able to do more.
Aaron Roberts
I said the drunk was depressed, I would describe the film as sombre.
Lincoln Cruz
Lying critics and false word of mouth ruined the amount of money it made.
Liam Thompson
Like this user said, we shouldn't be sitting here going "man Batman AND Superman AND Wonder Woman sold better than Ant Man gg Marvel DC wins"
It shouldn't have been close. Ever
Bentley Peterson
There was a hate campaign from the media for not being Marvel. I honestly dont know why some of you are denying it. Most folks are companyfags and CBMs are just another notch.
Elijah Taylor
Probably the same reason why anyone can like the source material, but not the adaption.
Henry Phillips
Does the average person go on RT more often than they watch commercials where they can stumble upon the trailers?
Logan Sanchez
>tfw you live in a time where people love the once unpopular B/C-list more than A-listers
I am really glad that we got films like Winter Soldier, Ant Man, GotG, and Avengers, but honestly, the fact that the most popular comic characters Batman and Superman are now hated by the general audience depresses the fuck out of me.
They probably won't even be done justice in the next 10-15 years without people bringing up BvS, and even then... there's a good chance that the capefilm fad would probably be long gone.
Michael Collins
>shit on DC >guaranteed replies I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you're literally shooting fish in a barrel here.
Kevin Sanchez
Normies memed other normies into thinking it was bad, as well as Marvel fans telling other people not to watch it. That's also combined with people who only care about the critic score. How can anyone tell how much that costed the movie? What if critics didn't lie and gave it proper scores?
Jackson Harris
>Then they still made over 200 million in profits. What's the big deal? It did much, much better than most of the MCU films. The DCEU is meant to be a replacement for Harry Potter films. That was the only reason they were being made. If they can't make Harry Potter level money, they have failed.
And the thing is, BvS ALMOST made Harry Potter money... except, it costs nearly twice as much to make. So it is literally only half as profitable as Harry Potter. Warner doesn't like that.
Christian Clark
>there's a good chance that the capefilm fad would probably be long gone. This argument about it being a fad is part of the problem. There is no fad. Marvel Studios is growing a consumer base that buys Marvel Studio movie tickets, something they synthesised from nothing. There is a bmarket for DC films if only DC cultivate them. But if you think it is just a fad, and that you have no patience to nirture the fanbase, then you wouldn't succeed in keeping customers.
Do you see Disney worrying about Star Wars being a fad? No, they have plans decades in the future. Disney intends to keep Star Wars going. If you want your fans to stay with you you have to work towards that. On the other hand, if you assume your customers are fleeting, then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Connor Howard
Is there any proof of this? Is it possible they didn't enjoy it enough to see it again?
Landon Gutierrez
Look, user.
People will always love Batman and Superman most of all.
Just not Snyder's Batman and Superman. Those two are probably less liked than most MCU heroes.
Jaxon Ramirez
>having seen MoS, BvS, SS and not believing WW will be an overwritten mess
Ayden Baker
On one level, perhaps the most obvious one, the reason the DCEU is a mess is because the execs don't 'get' their product.
These are be-suited number-crunchers whose sole job is to make sure the business they run turns a profit. They are not creative by any stretch of the imagination, in fact their position actively excludes that from their thought processes. And this is what shines through, the obvious commoditizasion of a product that needs 'heart' in order to connect with people and to overcome reticence to alien (sometimes literally) scenarios and characters. Hiring a previously successful movie-maker to run your franchise might make sense but if that person is actively proud of not knowing a damn thing about the source material then you'd think that'd be a warning sign. But no, all the execs see is what his old movies earned and just assume his talent is translatable. All of which comes back to not 'getting' the industry they're working in.
Logan Cooper
>Those three are so famous that even people who aren't comic book fans know about them.
So's Jesus, but movies about him don't make mondo huge bank. Adjust your esoteric standards.
Jose Green
Well it didn't save Disney Infinity.
Jackson Bell
>This argument about it being a fad is part of the problem. I only really think this because I remember during MCU's phase 1 up to the Avengers when almost EVERYBODY I knew kept up with it. Then halfway through phase 2, I remember some friends state that they're getting bored and burnt it out from the constant 2-3 cape films that come out every year.
>Do you see Disney worrying about Star Wars being a fad? Fair enough. I guess I can be optimistic, I'm sure people thought SW was going to be forever shit after the prequels but then the animated shows and TFA rolled around.
Thomas Johnson
TFA just shows how much people will support something based entirely on childhood nostalgia.
Nathan Jenkins
>Well it didn't save Disney Infinity. Disney Infinity has well documented shitty business practices. It failed because it deserved to fail.
Isaac Garcia
This
Christian Thompson
>Doesn't matter, they make money. >This Harry Potter films make 900million world wide from a production budget of 150million each. This is what Warner Pictures uses as their yardstick. They WANT DCEU to replace Harry Potter. So far MoS made 670m out of 225m, BvS made 870m out of 250m, and SS is likely to make 500m+ out of 175m, we will see.
None of them lost money, but none of them were anywhere at the level of Harry Potter films. Expectations are very real and can drag the films down.
Nolan James
That tiara makes Gadot look fucking retarded.
Nicholas Bailey
That's pretty much Star Wars in a nutshell. Viewers under the age of 25 more than likely grew up with both trilogies.
Charles Garcia
>DC film >Great lololololololololololololololololololololololol
Brody Gomez
You say that as though her face doesn't do the job well enough on its own.
Dominic Scott
>No single superhero film is going to be able to swoop in at the last minute and save the day for this franchise.
Isn't that what superheroes do? Swoop in and save the day? What better film to do that than Justice League? Hopefully Wonder Woman does well too, though.
Jose Moore
it compounds the effect
Jace Sanders
Lol, 400 million budget only "makes" 500 million if you're so dumb you don't realize box office is the GROSS. Net on BvS was less than 200 million, which is pathetic.
Lincoln Brown
The media have an anti-DCCU bias
It's fucking obvious. They praise Marvel movies for being trash while shitting on DC films for being fucking brilliant.
They shat on Man of Steel, they shat on BvS aand they shat on Suicide Squad.
Despite this, those films were fucking great, ESPECIALLY BvS. BvS is a masterpiece
Zachary Powell
>reposting this unsourced shit that's been debunked
Fuck off Disney shill. Sage and report, everyone.
Jacob Lopez
>the director of Wonder Woman is a man >the director of Wonder Woman is David Ayer
I hope your family dies of cancer
Gabriel Watson
What in MCUck's addled brains convinced them that you can't do ensemble movies without having two or three movies to set it up?
Remember how the Justice League cartoon did it in 30 minutes?
Lincoln Nelson
I grew up with the Prequels. To me and most people my age Star Wars has been a shitty has-been franchise for all our lives.
Dylan Clark
Why is this board so bitter and insecure when it comes to film taste? Almost all of you are as bad as Sup Forums is when it comes to film taste.
It's just a film, for fuck's sake. Just because you like one thing and you don't like another, doesn't mean you're better than everyone else.
I think it's time we all go out and meet some people.