How is that so many good writers managed to fuck up Superman? >Grant Morrison turned Superman into a Golder Bully and had him murder Brainiac and had his parents killed by fifth dimensional beings (inb4 it was ironic! It was a metaphor! It was still edgy and drove away fans like Linkara). >Geoff Johns had Superman literally destroy an ENTIRE WORLD (seriously, did Johns think we would love Supes doing this?), made him get with the bloodthirsty Wonder Woman instead of Lois, and turned him "evil" (because we haven't had enough evil Superman stories). >Pak had Clark's parents dug up by an Lovecraftian being, punch a cop, buzzcut his hair and ride a motorcycle >not to mention all the hatred for LoisXClark
Their damage was so bad that they had to bring in the REAL Superman. And now Nu52 Superman is not only dead/depowered but it turns out that he was never actually Superman. Leaks say he's actually Superboy Prime. These writers managed to fuck up Superman so bad that he had to be retconned as a fake.
Say what you will about Marvel but you don't see them pulling this with Spider-Man or Kitty Pryde. Just sayin
Kayden Russell
Kill yourself.
Camden Morris
I still can't believe Geoff Johns believed this was a good idea. It's like he saw Man of Steel and said "A whole city destroyed? I can do more!".
Levi Walker
You had me until >Say what you will about Marvel
Grayson Bennett
There was nothing wrong with Superbro. The problem wasn't the comics, it was the autism of the fans.
Angel Cook
Ow, the edge! Shouldn't you be elsewhere listening to linkin park, familia?
Aaron Carter
>murdered brainiac
I mean he just trashed one of his bodies, brainiac was fine
>dead Kents >edgy
They died off panel. Don't really see how that's edgy and it gave the conflict with Vyndtvx real weight.
Did Linkara really hate Grant's run? That guy has such shit taste
Eli Russell
>bully shitposter-kun please
Matthew Watson
It's because they made the same problem writers always make when they try to update Superman. They "humanized" him by focusing on humanity's flaws and weaknesses rather than its strengths.
Juan Lewis
>Their damage was so bad that they had to bring in the REAL Superman. >Say what you will about Marvel but you don't see them pulling this with Spider-Man
You realize that's basically exactly what happened during the Clone Saga, right?
As to fucking up Superman... honestly, I think DC just collectively went off the deep end for a year or two with the New 52. There were some good comics, sure, but there was also a baffling number of comics that looked like they came right out of the 90s.
Hunter Ortiz
>falling for the obvious bait Off yourselves. Every single one of you.
Brandon Barnes
>ow the edge
Andrew Gutierrez
look at him being edgy and shit
Owen Long
Making a huge deal about the new Superman being edgier (this was something constantly referenced in comics like Justice League, Batman/Superman and Action Comics), killing the Kents, keeping Clark and Lois separate and shipping Superman with Wonder Woman was one of the biggest mistakes.
It just turned a lot of people off.
Levi Richardson
They should have got Kurt Busiek to do Action Comics instead of Grant Morrison. He wouldn't make Clark edgy.
Luis Allen
He could have arrested him. He didnt have to throw his spaceship into his throat like the Punisher. He also tortured a mob boss, took pleasure in destroying Nazi's stuff, and heated up law enforcement weapons until it burnt their hands.
Leo Martinez
THIS H I S It's okay to humanize Superman. They just picked the worst aspects.
Luke Harris
It's not bait if it's True. Why do you think we finally have the REAL Superman now? Because they made Nu52 Superman too edgy and now he's no longer Superman.
Jack Robinson
>drove away fans like Linkara is this a bad thing?
Gabriel Brown
>REAL Superman Reminder that this Superman was the same Superman that was in grounded. You really have no right to criticize Superbro of being edgy.
Cameron Davis
I bet Geoff Johns had more planned with that.
But Geoff Johns being Geoff Johns, he left before he could do any of it.
His Justice League was full of Dropped Plotlines.
Nolan Cook
the REAL superman is golden age Superman who wasn't a saint. plus new 52 Superman never tortured anyone you guys just went not muh the first 5 pages then shitposted and spread mis-information
Isaiah Johnson
I don't know about edgy, but this page is incredibly stupid. It makes some silver age pages look dignified and smart.
Adam Long
That's not the real Superman. Even his creators admitted they didn't perfect him yet.
Just like how Golden Age murderer Batman isn't the real Batman.
People prefer Superman to SAVE people, NOT hurt people.
*Mic Drop*
Colton Hall
>t-that doesn't count because i say so yeah look at new 52 superman crushing this poor boy to death
Joseph Hernandez
He just saved the kid because he wanted his stolen cape back.
Nolan Perry
>*Mic Drop* Faggiest thing I've read all day. Good job.
Ryder Morgan
It's a giant robot who's shrinking planets. I'm glad you're not superman, you'd let Brainiac walk all over it.
>why didn't he just try talking to doomsday about his feelings?
Dylan Foster
Performing surgery without a medical license is serious business. This is malpractice of the highest order.
Jace Gutierrez
now I know your baiting
Gavin Hill
arrest him then
Aaron Baker
>retconned golden age shit is the gospel
He's been a saintly hero for a lot longer than he was a pulpy vigilante.
Leo Hall
He just saved Krypton because the dog is kryptonian and has his genes. You can see that after that he never interacted again with the dog, keeping him imprisoned in the Fortress.
Mason James
>He also tortured a mob boss, took pleasure in destroying Nazi's stuff, and heated up law enforcement weapons until it burnt their hands And then there's Man of Steel in theaters making this a more appealing direction for the character.
Michael Parker
that never happened read comics before parroting stupid shit
Austin Kelly
Don't respond to trolls user
Landon Morris
and so was new 52 superman
Tyler Price
>Leaks say he's actually Superboy Prime Source?
Luis Morris
posting legit evidence >lel just a troll because i have no legit response
Easton Thompson
It happened in Morrison's Action Comics. Granted he later had Clark feels bad (which made it all okay?). But it was too little too late.
Landon Wright
Have YOU read comics before responding to shit? Because all that did happen in the nu52 and people were upset and then MOS came out and people switched and said in comparison that'd rather have a origin story like the nu52 then what they got in the film. You need to read fucking comics.
Adam Sanchez
where's you proof bro you keep spouting EDGY EDGY EDGY without any proof
Austin Rodriguez
There's ALWAYS another way. No matter what. Killing is NEVER justifiable.
You would think Morrison would know that since he wrote All-Star Supes.
But I guess he's just a one-hit wonder when it comes to Superman (maybe he didnt even write All-Star and it was ghost written by someone else?).
Tyler Flores
He drove away LINKARA?! THOSE MONSTERS!
Nicholas Thompson
What is OP's vision of a true Superman story?
Michael Martin
But superman didn't kill brainiac
Alexander Kelly
You don't see Marvel having Kamala Kahn being edgy and Marvel retconing her to be a fake.
Heck, Kamala Kahn is better (and more comfy) than everything Nu52 Supes. DC should have had Wilsom write Superman instead of hacks like Morrison and Johns.
Wyatt Lopez
Shut up Hal
Ryder Price
>Say what you will about Marvel but you don't see them pulling this with Spider-Man This bait couldn't have been any more obvious. But then again Sup Forums is mostly retarded.
Brody Clark
This really helps reaffirm a lot of things related to comics, anonymous posting, and Sup Forums.
Joshua Rogers
The first Christopher Reeve Superman movie and Superman Returns.
Carson Gonzalez
Shut up waifutard
Ryder Turner
>It just turned a lot of people off.
Comc books fans do not accept change. They always have to have comics be just like they were when they were kids. That's why OMD and shit like that happened. Now the pre-OMD spider guys are longing for a status quo from 10 years ago and eventually they'll get their way and the guys reading comics now will be the ones pouting. This isn't quite that level of retarded, of course, but it's part of the overall pattern.
Superbro was "not muh" cause he didn't pine over Lois and shit like that.
Look at all comic book fandoms and you'll see the same autism play out time and time again. Not hugbox funny autism, literal evidence of actual autism on a grand scale. If you can't hear the guys who've been mad at superbro for the last few months making REEEEEEE noises, you lack imagination. Now that "real superman" is back watch him do the exact same sorts of shit that Superbro got called out for and get ready to not hear anything about it. At the end of the day he's kissing lois and that's worth all the hug boxes in the world.
Chase Walker
Like I said the first time, Brainiac was fine. He did not die. Superman did not kill him and since he was a robot I can't imagine that Clark thought killing him was even an option. He shut him off.
Plus he saved the whole fucking world in the process
Cooper Jackson
>Superman Returns I hope you kill yourself.
John Scott
It's True. Even Gwenpool is better than Morrison's Action Comics and Johns's Superman runs.
Lincoln Russell
Superman sure is channeling Hal/Parallax there.
Juan Perez
>How is that so many good writers managed to fuck up Superman I believed Pak's run was going to surpass Morrison's ASS if they'd didn't force him to do that fucking Doomed crossover. On Pak's Tumblr he'd comment on the type of hero Superman was and everyone could just feel something great was here and brewing. We got a Superman who ignored Batman, helped Power girl with her power surge and gave her a high five and people were blowing up Pak's Tumblr about how they loved that moment. We got the Subterranean arc which was awesome and then Doomed turned all potential and momentum Pak had into shit.
Adrian Roberts
i'm still waiting on the proof that he's edgy
Hunter Watson
I agree that Gwenpool is better so far than John's Superman run. Gwenpool is a solid book
Levi Adams
Waifutard please
Nathan Cooper
>linkara said this, linkara said that
Who gives a shit
Julian Walker
He could of found another way. Superman killing cybernetic beings with his ship from when he was a baby isnt cool or fun.
Andrew Lee
...
Noah Hernandez
so edgy
Asher Adams
>not caring about what Based Linkara has to say
Julian Turner
...
Jackson Ward
Linkara
Jason Gonzalez
It's just a sticking point for you I guess. My point would be that the comic plays it like Supes defeating a monster, not Supes cracking Zod's neck. Trashing Brainiacs body is pretty standard, so maybe this is just coming from a lack of awareness about the characters.
I thinks vol 1 of action comics would have been the perfect superman movie to kick off the DCEU
Jackson Miller
Nah, son.It's edgy that he didn't sit outside Lois's window jerkin his gerkin while she was banging other dudes. OTP and all that.
Cooper Hernandez
Mmm nummy bait
Easton Thomas
>took pleasure in destroying Nazi's stuff And then felt bad about it afterwards.
Hunter Hernandez
You would think he'd point the gun at his hostage instead
Hunter Smith
and still not one shred of proof that he's edgy
Andrew Miller
I chalk that up to him not thinking clearly surrounded by cops that would blow hole into you if the hostage was killed then all of a sudden Superman
Ryder Morgan
Smartest move they could do with Pre New 52 Superman is to say that he and New 52 Lois are the resurrected Earth-2 Superman and Lois that died back in Infinite Crisis and were buried on Earth.
Ryan Rivera
...
Easton Taylor
Whoops, fucked up, didn't mean to say Pre New 52 Superman, I meant to say New 52 Superman.
Wyatt Sanchez
>Linkara >based this b8 is too good
Dominic Morales
You do realize the irony of this post right? You're calling out comic fans for not accepting change by being angry that they changed from 'Superbro' back to pre-52 Superman.
Otherwise I agree.
Eli Perez
It's more reversion than change. Change would be moving on to something new, like superlex
Alexander Richardson
I'm responding to the criticisms that superman is "flawed" because he's not doing the things he used to do. If you didn't hear that, well you weren't listening.
I also plainly stated that in the OMD case that the current fans of the status quo will be the ones bitching if they did anything to appease the pre OMD guys.
The autism never stops
Dylan Cruz
Er, I meant that if you didn't hear the complaints about him being "not muh". My reply could be taken another way
Jonathan Lopez
I think in most cases I'd rather see a new take on the same old character than see the same old stories told over and over again
Ironically, every new take on Superman seems to end up involving the same old characters telling the same old stories over and over again
Nolan Perry
>that make it's okay Let me guess, Man of Murder blowing up Metropolis is okay because he felt bad?
If I raped your mother right in front of you, then had a flashback where by stepdad told me that rape was bad, does that make the rape okay?
Exactly.
Austin Lewis
Where the fuck did it say he was Superboy Prime?
Matthew Parker
So you read everything then
Daniel Watson
Someone leaked it on Sup Forums in a thread. Also leaked Red Dawn.
Robert Fisher
This. I loved both Supermen and people on Sup Forums severely exaggerate Nu52 Supes flaws. Of course he wasn't the same as Superdad, this one's younger, more inexperienced and more brash but still is the Superman that just wants to stand for the little guy and never thinks of himself as better than others just because of who he is . Superbro was a perfectly fine Superman and I get beyond mad when retards call him edgy
Camden Anderson
Blame Normies and the comic book journalists. They hate hated Superbro more than the one on Sup Forums and have more influerence. They hated everything about Nu52 Supeman. They especially hated Pak's Truth Superman and acted like DC was turning Superman into a wife-beater. Even Rebirth Superman is getting shit on by journalists. Superman just can't catch a break
Samuel Hernandez
>drove away fans like Linkara This is a good thing, autistic fans are fucking awful and impossible to please, as seen by you not enjoying Morrison's run >HURR BULLY Fucking casual that has never read original Action Comics stuff
Robert Gray
>REAL Superman Lol no casual, this is some retconned faggot who can fly and shoot lasers from his eyes. Not muh REAL ORIGINAL Supes
Christopher Ward
t-that doesn't count because i said so
Liam Johnson
>If I raped your mother right in front of you Why do people always resort to raping, torturing the wives, mother's, sisters, aunts of psychopaths who don't feel empathy? It's not like it'll teach them a lesson, you just ruin the lives of the women they're related to. If anything rape that dude to show them how it feels
Ian Martin
They can't imagine that women have emotions, they have to ask how a man feels about (horrible thing happening) to a woman they care about. It's got levels of sad when you think about it.
Jose Rivera
You didn't answer my question. If I taped your mother (or other loved one) in front of you. Then after remember that my Stepdad told me that rape was bad. And I remeber and feel bad. Does that make the rape okay hmmmm?
Exactly
Brayden Murphy
Grant's run was only hampered by rushed, shitty art. His actual story was excellent.
Leo Ross
Its simple. >Nerds dont like change also >Nerds find status quo boring therefore > Superfags are so fucking jaded they wont let Superman be relevant ever again
Landon Reed
>It was still edgy and drove away fans like Linkara I stopped reading here. If you give a single shit about opinions of pseudo-celebs like this, you are worthless.
Hunter Wood
I prefer to think that New52 Supes is Earth-2 Pre-crisis Supes. And new52 Lois is either. And I like theory that de-powered Clark is him or Superboy-Prime who trying to hide.