How many here recognize the Third Way as the only solution to Humanity's infinite appetite for distraction? How many here believe as I do; that the rights of the common man must be restricted, for his own good; that democracy and liberal capitalism are unsustainable and have failed as political systems; that class distinctions are natural, and that the proposed "forced equality" of the red movements go against the hierarchical nature of Humanity; that the only way to leave this rock is to put aside our individual wants and desires and work together for a greater whole; that morality must be regulated; that religion is an opiate - a useful opiate, and that, in conjunction with hard science and rationalism, must be used to control the underclass.
I recognize that many of you are authoritarians, but how many of you are true fascists? How many of you would truly sacrifice your own selfish, materialistic desires to achieve a greater race and a greater nation?
>cant be a turk fashist because too white >cant be a white fashist because too turk
Nathaniel Ross
>inb4 spelling
Carter Brooks
bump
Ryan Phillips
Presente!
Carson Evans
*tips fedora*
get money ho lmao
Austin Rodriguez
Sup Forums is a libertarian board
I would tell you to fuck off but that violates the NAP
Anthony Rivera
>that the rights of the common man must be restricted, for his own good; That's obvious. They are restricted in every known society. > that democracy and liberal capitalism are unsustainable Yes >and have failed as political systems Well, they function so far so I wouldn't say they failed. But they are very suboptimal. >that class distinctions are natural, and that the proposed "forced equality" of the red movements go against the hierarchical nature of Humanity Yes, though this is not entirely a bad thing. Balance between ideals and practical considerations is needed. > that the only way to leave this rock is to put aside our individual wants and desires and work together for a greater whole Tend to agree. >that morality must be regulated; Again, it's regulated everywhere to some extent. > that religion is an opiate - a useful opiate, and that, in conjunction with hard science and rationalism, must be used to control the underclass. I guess
I don't consider myself a fascist though, more of a state socialist/centrist.
>democracy and liberal capitalism are unsustainable ... >says the fascist
Lifespan of Hitler's Reich: ~12 years Lifespan of My Uncle's Truck: ~15 years Lifespan of American democracy. : 240 years (and counting)
Ian Hall
Implying Libertarians couldn't thrive under a Fascist system, sure there might not be much room for Liberty that destroy's nationalism but I reckon most of what Libertarians on the ground would comply, free enterprise as long as it isn't treasonous, and all the roads that would make your wives panty's wet.
Noah Garcia
>the rights of the common man must be restricted Fuck off with this shit.
We don't need another totalitarian regime or personality cult.
Fascism was a mistake and will not come back. It will never have the same mass appeal it had in the 1930s Germany.
Benjamin Lewis
>roman empire 1,000 years >HRE 1,000 years >monarchists since the Bible thousands of years >republics invention of 1800s by Napoleon >all dead in 50 years.
Jason Ramirez
>Too Turk to runway model >Too white to durka durka
Cameron Thomas
I consider myself an Absolutist
18th century Enlightened Absolutism was the height of European Authoritarianism before the shitshow that was the French revolution ruined western civilization with "muh freedom" We are all servants of the state, and despite being tolerant of foreign cultures and religions all must do the will of the nation and king
Fascism doesn't have any real tradition behind it and relies too much on "muh racial heritage" mythology and Jewish boogeymen tbqh
Blake Jackson
This is why half breeds can't be allowed to exist.
Oliver Taylor
Don't blame the republics on Napoleon. He made monarchies with citizenship instead of subjugation. He knew he had to restore order.
The republics were created by Jacobins in the Reovlution and are satanic in nature as history has proven.
Carter Russell
definitely not a fascist but a staunch classical liberal. I value individuality and personal autonomy too much to sacrifice it for something as artificial as a nation-state
Oliver Murphy
>Napoleonic USA invented in 1776 >49% white in 2016 No thank you.
Michael Howard
I have recently come into contact with this ideology and it is having a big influence on me. I just read the Turner Diaries and would like more literature on the subject. I am familiar with the National Alliance and George Rockwell Lincoln but I honestly feel like I am skimming the surface. I want to swim in the deep end of the pool.
Nolan Wright
You forgot to attach your picture.
Anthony Anderson
Fascism is monarchism but without the big problem of Monarchy.
Monarchs work for the benefit of themselves which most of the time coincides with the benefit of the nation.
Which is that the King's interest eventually lie in bringing on other subects foreign to him and his people's nationality at the expense of the nation he leads and to his gain.
see the Habsburgs as the big example.
Fascism replaces the monarch who is motivate dby self with a leader who works for the nations best interest.
>republican*** USA.
Ian Murphy
Close, but not quite.
Carter James
I'm curious. How would a fascist argue against communists? Both are authoritarian and thus would agree on many things. What are the arguments you can make against communism without being a hypocrite? When a Libertarian argues with a communist, it just seems natural. One is "freedom and equal opportunity for all" and the other believes the restrictions of rights are a necessary "evil". They are like opposites.
I'm not attacking fascism, I'm just wondering this.
Alexander Collins
>individualistic class based USA >brought negroes >negroes are now at 50 million Sorry, I don't forgive any system that harmed my people.
Alexander Lewis
Why is the iconic image of fascism a faggot (bundle of sticks)
Owen Rivera
This isn't really related, but what exactly ARE fasces that are often on fascist flags? At least stuff like the Swastika is just a symbol and an eagle is something from real life we can draw significance from but what are fasces? Just bundles of sticks with axes poking out? I guess they have the whole "stronger when united" symbolism going on but have fasces ever existed in real life? What are they used for if they do? They just raise so many questions to me.
David Butler
The reasons for the importation of Negroes into white land must be exterminated, what ever they are.
Dylan Cooper
>still going through the traditionalist phase
You'll swing back round when you realise that fascism is an immortal many-headed beast that can never be destroyed because it lives on the heart of men forever.
Fascism isn't men in costumes prancing around at rallies. Its far more subtle and organic than that.
Kayden Smith
You attack their philosophical doctrines. Communists worship false gods like equality, deny race and differences between the sexes etc. Point out that they are subversive and are trying to destroy the west intellectually, culturally, genetically, intellectually.
Also economically they are not in the same boat.
Anthony Myers
It's from the Roman Empire. It has to do with Justice but I can't exactly remember how it relates. Beating sticks maybe.
John Bell
The fasces had its origin in the Etruscan civilization, and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction.
It means gas the nobles and all classes, one people one interest undivided.
Eli Long
Have to say I support Bonapartism.
Republics without the political elites are a success. Toss in a little nationalism and throw out all the kings, put in some bills of rights and you get a solid foundation for European culture.
Connor Russell
it comes from the roman fasces
it was a symbol of magistrate power
Jaxon Young
The Roman Empire lasted for five-hundred years, half of them in crippling decline. The Holy Roman Empire wasn't fascist in the least, it was a confederation of principalities with relatively liberal governments.
>all republics "dead" within 50 years
What is America, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom ...
Carter Scott
it used to be from the romans and shit
Connor Long
>tfw when youre half colombian half whatever the fuck mix american whites are
Brandon Evans
I don't believe the fascism of the future needs to be based along ethnic/racial lines. It's a consideration, but all can serve the state, and the state can serve all.
I come from an upper-middle class white family, but what is money, but a means to an end? And what more noble end is there than to serve the race?
Libertarianism is a weak and divisive ideology, pushed by the oligarchs to satisfy the masses with individual pleasure, while stagnating the development of the united national spirit
I suppose the question is whether or not you believe Humans, on an individual basis, will serve the greater good of the race. I think they will always choose to distract themselves instead, unless given firm guidance.
Fascism =/= Nazism. Also I think you are forgetting the Roman state, which was quite a good example of proto-fascism
I would suggest that the common man has no idea what's best for him. Look at all this cultural degeneration in the "free" West. We've all but stopped space exploration. Public debates focus on banal topics. People are largely economically, politically, and culturally illiterate. Is this the future you want?
Ayden Martinez
Yeah I read the wikipedia article too, they are still just weird to me, they aren't really the first thing I'd think of putting on a flag.
Dylan Lee
>I don't believe the fascism of the future needs to be based along ethnic/racial lines. It's a consideration, but all can serve the state, and the state can serve all.
This is bullshit. Science has shown time and time again how important race is. Otherwise I agree.
is retarded. Them losing the war doesn't mean it's an unsustainable system.
Ryan Taylor
>class distinctions are natural and forced equality is unnatural >but liberal capitalism is unsustainable and unnatural A FUCKING LEAF
Jackson Allen
hes right kanga
Levi Thomas
Fascism means civilization, destiny, purpose, family, God, what it means to be human.
Anti-Fascism is the opiates of the deprived and ill.
Nicholas Flores
I'm fascist against degenerate street wigger/nigger wannabe thug faggot pieces of fucking garbage Is or was a problem around me
Lucas Cook
All natural class distinctions are inherently capitalistic. Having class be a birth rite only leads to retarded incest babies unless you have a population at least as big as India.
Caleb Adams
This is the worst argument.
Communism is the French Revolution (specifically Jacobinism), Christianity and egalitarianism taken to its natural conclusion, Marxists and communists see themselves as the final step in the abolition of all hierarchy. They believe this to be the natural result of history and fundementally unavoidable. As such they see history as a naturally unfolding series of events, in which the individual is of no consequence.
Fascism believes that hierarchy, personal power and natural order are perfect concepts and are in fact the entire basis of human history and our collective progress. It believes in the individual power of YOU and your will. You are not a midless, rootless atom, as capitalism or communism would have you believe. You have power, and your fundament is your culture, your ethnicity, your language, your past, your future, your purpose etc. They are heirs to the counter-revolution and have fought marxists under a different name for thousands of years.
Ethan Smith
Race is incredibly important, and don't get me wrong on that. But it can be used appropriately. For instance, blacks are more suited to physical tasks, and in a fascist state, they would be assigned those tasks that appeal to their strengths. The Chinese are natural collectivists and bureaucrats, they can be used for this purpose. Arabs and Japanese are naturally martial, they can serve in martial roles.
Dominic Williams
I am not African or Black there aren't of my people.
Xavier Thomas
Fascist leaders can also work for themselves, turning their country into a kleptocracy
and the Habsburg Empire collapsed because of that, they didn't force Austrian culture on conquered nations, so when WW1 happened their multicultural army was complete shit and their empire shattered after the war
>fascism is an immortal fascism as been practically dead for the last 70 years, it's fatherland and nation that are immortal, not fascism
>Fascism isn't men in costumes prancing around at rallies. Fascists goosestep around in costumes, big difference
>Its far more subtle and organic than that. >implying there is anything subtle about fascism see pic, 0 subtlety
Alexander White
Science is on the cusp of making race irrelevant.
Sebastian Hall
The white man excels in all of those tasks. It's unnecessary to keep these worthless and inferior races around.
It sounds to me like you've been bitten by the multi-racial society bug, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Colton Powell
>talking about fascism >posts a national socialist rally
kek
He's talking about subtlety of philosophy you retard.
Xavier Peterson
How so?
Bentley Allen
Are you retarded? Fascism is describing truths not an ideology, it is immortal. The belief in your God, in your ancestors, in your race, in your civilization, in your glory is what makes a Civilization progress, other wise you are stuck in the dark ages of an endless opiate. youtube.com/watch?v=dPlTg6tCIh8
Grayson Adams
>everyone arguing about race >literally ignoring the fact that when genetic engineering becomes reality, your race and your parents DNA will be as relevent as your horoscope
Hunter Bailey
See
James Cox
Saying Fascism can die is like saying the need to eat is going to die.
Jonathan Reed
Do you look like this guy?
Luke Collins
>MUH SCIENCE MUH FUTURE MUH FICTION >DUDE WHEN THEY MAKE X IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE FOR FREE/CHEAP
Dylan Davis
The issue is the logistics in dealing with these races which number in the millions. Exterminating or relocating the Jewry would be rather easy, and the cost/benefit of doing so would be worth it. Anhiliating tens of millions of blacks would not only be difficult, but would actively sow dissent and division between members of the state, I would find that counter-productive. Sterilization is a better option.
Julian Hill
Fascism is simple. All it takes is to recognize democracy is a sham and equality is a lie. For god and country
Michael Hall
The other guy is wrong. Communism is materialistic and godless.
It is philosophical and lives in a world tat assumes everyone is equal and virtuous. It assumes that classes exist and should be destroyed and that workers have more in common across borders and that nations should be destroyed because they are used to hurt the worker.
Fascism is a far right ideology. It assumes science is right and that man must struggle against nature, it also promotes spirituality in religion, and values culture and creativity. above all it promotes whats best for the nation above any sub group.
Liberalism (US, UK) promotes the individual above all us. IF the individuals all succeed the group will do well because of it. It has no care for the poor OR culture.
Parker Gomez
>What are the arguments you can make against communism without being a hypocrite? Fascists believe in class collaboration. Communists/socialists believe in class conflict with the end goal being abolishing all classes. That's not even mentioning the differences in social issues. Fascists also aren't necessarily anti private property or even anti free market, albeit there is government intervention into having business which benefit the state and aren't morally degenerate (so for example something like the porn industry would be gone).
In its simplest form, it is Corporatism with a strong sense of nationalism (what benefits the nation as a whole and not just a bunch of rootless cosmopolitans)
Cameron Flores
Sure Europeans were trying to breed out Indians.
Cooper Morgan
And this is why turkroaches should be exterminated
Dominic Peterson
Mass sterilization is way, way harder than mass deportation or mass murder.
Gabriel Adams
It's better to just deport them to Africa and let them starve. It would take time but it's perfectly doable.
Without access to foreign aid (IE free food, medicine etc) their population will freefall.
Mason Nelson
Not really.
I'm arguing that fascism will have to evolve beyond the concept of race when the time comes and always bend to the will of scientific reality.
It really won't be any trouble, fascism greatest strength lies in its flexibility. In is nothing if not pragmatic.
Of course, for now race remains important and it goes without saying that we should be realistic. But do not be tied down by it, such is the way of the Marxist or Christian, to bind yourself to one concept as the world changes around you and makes it irrelevant.
Ryan Edwards
> evolve beyond Everything serves the race.
Lucas Reyes
I'm National Socialist so very sympathetic to fascism but democracy worked out perfectly for Switzerland. Let's not pretend there's infallibility to any system or creed, or that they are set in stone and not subject to evolution, as circumstances demand.
Ryan Powell
Tell me, in what ways do you plan to 'restrict the common man'? Doesn't sound very fascist to me. A fascist entrusts his loyal soldiers with responsibility, he doesn't repress them like a Communist does.
Ryder Sullivan
I personally am a national socialist, don't know about fascists though.
Matthew Kelly
I understand your reasoning, and you're right. Fascism is about pragmatism.
I just don't agree that race will become irrelevant, now or ever. If the day comes that I'm proven wrong, so be it.
Brayden Murphy
NatSoc > fascism
Anthony Brooks
The human race.
And i dont mean that in a liberal "one race, the human race" way.
There will be only one human race, the one that survives. The others are abortive attempts at humanity.
David Gonzalez
The Newfags off course
Gabriel Price
this
Ultimately I agree with this. NS ethos is more potent, and NS Germany accomplished much, much more.
Mussolini was a smart man, but not quite on par with Hitler in terms of charisma, the scale of his philosophy and long-term goals.
Brayden Stewart
For you and your people. It was your way of solving your problems. Would that careful collective system work for a Briton or Frenchman?
Alexander Morales
Human doesn't exist nor holds any meaning.
Jayden Cooper
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Jaxson Brown
Our sentience allow us to actively control our evolution, beyond basic reproductive instinct. Why not make it survival of the smartest and healthiest, than the current path of a slovenly underclass with an average IQ of 85?
Julian Mitchell
"Switzerland possessed the most disgusting and miserable people and political system. The Swiss were the mortal enemies of the new Germany."
Nicholas Reed
The rights of minorities and women have to be restricted for the good of the common (white) man. There is nothing wrong with ordinary white men, except that we have been too generous and patient with those who depend on or compete with us.
Cooper Smith
Idk, maybe NatSoc is tailored on German characteristic.
NatSoc wasnt just a fassade and despite ecouraging new technology it was kind of a revolution back to the very roots of our kind, it was kind of "natural":
The brown uniforms kind of present the earth, the roots, the soil where we come from, its hard to describe.
But to me "regular" fascism always feels fake.
Adrian Hall
They were the haven for Europe's elite, sitting out the war. Their direct democracy is as perfect for the Swiss people as National Socialism was for the German people.
Joseph Torres
how does 4. beat 3.?
Juan Perry
>being free from kikes and sin is somehow not real freedom
Mason Hall
Eh, I wouldn't call it fake. Like I said, just less potent.
Also early on, NatSoc was very much a German-centric movement and ideology. However as the war progressed, and it became the Europe vs. Communism, it sort of made an evolution into a European racialist ideology.
I don't think it has to be German-centric today. It's something much more powerful and potent.
Ayden Russell
I agree. It was your own system tailored to your (and applicable to your Scandinavian neighbors') society. As an Anglo, I know full and well our culture would completely tank it, though.
Henry Sullivan
Also yes, it has been described as a sort of Modernist Reactionism
Grayson Bailey
Democrat.
Christian Jackson
National Socialism has nothing to do with Germany other than them being the fighters of it.
Jason Reyes
Bevause we no longer need to wait a lifetime.
Why make it the survival of fittest when you can cut out the survival part altogether and become perfect?
Of course this kind of power can only be permitted for a small minority of humans, a few thousand perhaps. The rest can continue their primitive, archaic existence, free from the responsibility of being gods. Most of humanity will be happy to return to the forests anyway. Better than a slum.
Blake Morales
Yet the policies were far ahead of their time, for the ideology being inherently reactionary.