Red pill me on Obama care

why is it bad more people have access to affordable healthcare?

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Because despite promising that happily insured people could keep their existing coverage, and despite promising that people who couldn't afford insurance would receive enough in subsidies to get it without it hurting their budget, a shitload of good plans were canceled or priced out of the market and a shitload of people fell into a gap where they were too poor for insurance but too rich for subsidies. And the cheap insurance FUCKING SUCKS.

It's shit; we need single payer.

What user forgot to mention this are all in states with Republican governors. The sates with democratic governors accepted the federal money and this gap does not exist.

Obama literally created a luxury tax on high-end health insurance plans.

>the government dictating anything right

Lets turn health care into detroit ... awesome idea

>liberals

I wish we could just send you all to N Korea desu.

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So your for gun control then?

If only you used his 2nd amendment rights this wouldn't have happened.

>single payer.
You have to be the single most stupid fucking idiot on the Internet.

Uhm.... What? First of all what does this have to do with Obamacare?

Second...
>government cant do anything right
>must be an advocate for the government having all the guns

Is that your thought process? because top kek

I live in California this is incorrect

A very small minority actually qualify for it, you have to be a NEET or nigger to get it for free. The working poor earn "too much money" to qualify for Obamacare and the people hurt most by this are people who own small businesses, as they have to provide insurance on par with "muh gibsmedat" tier insurance plans where everything is essentially free.

It promotes a lifestyle of degenerates and stagnating.

0/10 would not condone.

See that picture. The one about Obamacare. The one with guns to the heads of all those poorly drawn people.

>Oh look lets use a guns for stuff that have nothing to do with guns

So ... when the government forces you to do something... how do they do this?

>the simple concept of being forced into something.

Jesus dude put the pipe down

Blue state of California. You're obviously ill informed.

I live in Colorado this is incorrect.

ANNND what do you think the 2nd amendment is for? Yep to stop government from forcing you doing stuff.

Obamacare seemed pretty good initially, but in order to get it passed they had to change it so much that it ended up doing more harm than good.

The only reason I have healthcare through my mom is thanks to Obama care. I'm voting Democrat and there's nothing republishits can do about it.

People are waking up and realizing voting Republican so they can do nothing but cut taxes on the rich. Hopefully the republishit party collapses in on itself after drumpf loses and enters the dustbin of history where it belongs.

I live in Washington, and you're wrong

Play this out for me exactly .. how would I personally use the 2nd amendment myself... to change health care?

obamacare is failing but the states expanding free healthcare for the poor is.

>why is it bad more people have access to affordable healthcare?

Health insurance is not health care.

The people who could not afford health insurance/health care prior to the ACA will not be able to afford their $6000 deductibles.

Find a jew and kill it.

health insurance isn't expensive and you're gonna have to get it for yourself after you turn 26 anyway

gibsmedat: the post

Well you could go lone gunman. But get together around 100000 of your fellow anti-obamacare fellows match on state capital and then force government to change the state laws.

It worked for blacks, it should work for anyone.

>had insurance
>lost my insurance because of it
>haven't been able to get a plan I can afford
>now I'm uninsured and getting hit with tax penalties

literally, thanks obama

Get a fucking job and get healthcare you lazy cunt.

You do realize that the federal money is just for the first 3 years, and then, the states have to pick up the tab?
California is about to go bankrupt.

Why the fuck should I not vote for what benefits me? Voting based on what benefits the rich when you're not rich is called being a cuck.

>Under the Affordable Care Act, health insurance companies can't refuse to cover you or charge you more just because you have a “pre-existing condition”
>someone, somewhere, thought this was ok

I live in Ohio making 60k a year and for some reason I am still on it even though my new employer covers me.

so instead of continuing to work for myself and making good use of my time, you want me to go get another 9-5 and wage slave away so I can gain access to insurance?

see the problem? I'm actually being oppressed and not even in the liberal alarmist kind of way. my life and career is being dictated by rules the government put in place

Uhm... ok. So instead of going through the normal process of electing people to change laws... You want us to have an armed revolt. Do you want us to do with every single law that is stupid? because thats a lot of armed revolts.

Another Coloradan here. You are as wrong as the day is long.

It kills small business and it's an unconstitutional "living tax" just for the right to exist.

Really makes you think!!! I am now a #CruzMissle

>affordable
Fuck off back to college, junior.

>The people who could not afford health insurance/health care prior to the ACA will not be able to afford their $6000 deductibles.

Stop looking at the big picture!

Except small business of under 50 employees are exempt from the law.

Just some middle of the road numbers faggot. If you even work for a living. Under Hillarys tax plan and yes she wants to raise them across the board if you make between 37,000 to 97,000 you will have a tax rate of 45%. Thats almost half of your paycheck going to the government. This includes federal,state,local and because of faggot Roberts Obama care tax. Then add on the top of that the taxes you pay for goods and services. How fucking retarded people like you are is truly amazing.

I dunno. I Assume some people just enjoy getting raped by insurance monopolies.

I mean the nationalized health services of European countries are often deeply dysfunctional..... But the efficiency of pre Obamacare health services in the US (measured by income v outcomes) was catastrophic. Which Provided so much ammo for anti-free market rhetoric.

> first world country in which citizens can't afford to get sick

Not very civilised

I make good money and like low taxes

Don't feed the troll, dimwit.

So you are independently wealthy and complaining about either a small tax or a small monthly premium.

>How jewish are you?

Aetna just pulled out

King Nigger BTFO

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compare the percentage of GDP the U.S. spends on healthcare compared to the % of GDP spent on healthcare in countries with single payer and come back to me. While you're at it look at stats on infant mortality rate, mental illness, obesity, etc.

A fucking leaf, ignore this cunt.

>wealthy
I'm not wealthy, but I make as much money as I was when I worked in a bank and I'm much happier because I don't have someone busting my balls while I generate millions of dollars for a company a year and don't receive even 1% of it as a salary

The premiums have been raised, insurance cost more under Obamacare. If you don't enroll you have to pay fees. It also ruins businesses because it pushes employers to cut the workers' hours.

>if you are republican then you are rich
Fuck you

Republishits will cut taxes across the board lowering the budget for roads, infrastructure, schools, Medicaid for the elderly, etc. But hey at least you pay $100 less in taxes every two weeks

The average red state is a dilapidated third world shithole because they bring in so little in taxes I don't want the whole country to look like Kansas nty

What the fuck, are the dems trying to turn the US into Brazil?

That's not true lol

Obamacare increased access to the health insurance market while simultaneously making health insurance less affordable.

It didn't accomplish both. It should have been called "The Unaffordable Care Act".

Which is good you idiot, the bigger the government the higher the chance of corruption. People should be able to deal with those issues and choose the program for themselves.

youtube.com/watch?v=uay86d-X054

Sorry monkey man favellas and potholes aren't as acceptable to americans as they are to brazillians

>I generate millions of dollars for my company
Are you fucking Kanye West or something? Oh no, you're not. Your POSITION generates millions for the company, without you in that position they would still make millions. Without that position they may not.

You yourself don't generate shit. In fact I'd wager you only degenerate

You're a dumbass perpetuating the meme republicans are the only rich ones. What about the democratic controlled senate that passed all those laws that allowed wall street to get fucking rich off the housing bubble? Wall Street is full of democrats you dumb mother fucker

Didn't go far enough. The whole medical system needs price controls. Instead they tried to give everyone coverage first hoping to deal with prices later (or not at all) and the insurance companies are discovering they can't make money off it.

Because that's the point of a medical system, amirite?

The problem is with "affordable" VAfag here, thanks to Ofailurecare, i have to somehow come up with an additional grand a year, or face increasing penalties. Funfacts; If I would have had to pay the noncompliance penalty, would have been $600. Last year was $300, and the year before was $175. That rate is too damn to afford. And worst of all I only make $10k/year. And to top off this shitshow, the bare minimum I could afford that complied, has a $4.8k deductible and only covers up to $10k. Like I'll be able to afford that anyways. Onigger can suck my dick

>[..] and a shitload of people fell into a gap where they were too poor for insurance but too rich for subsidies

This, this, and again this.
If you barely qualified as "middle-class", then by now you've lost your health insurance and you're also paying more taxes to cover other people insurance (which by the way, they may very well be some niggers on welfare).

It's an illusion. People have to pay for it. Nothing is free. It's more convenient to just buy your goods and services when you need / want them, instead of having everybody put all their money into a pot and then everybody pays for everybody else's stuff. Socialism is disingenuous. There's nothing "nice" about it, and there's nothing "mean" about convenience.

Zika patient zero

The only positive I have seen from it is that you are allowed to stay on your parents insurance until 26.

Te negatives outweigh the benefit.

We don't even have to have single payer. We could try what Switzerland does where health insurance companies have to be nonprofit.

The reason why Obamacare didn't work was Republican policies.

First of all you ignorant fuck head if you lower taxes people will have more money to spend on goods and services that will lead to more money being pumped into the economy and more revenue collected. Second of all every liberal controlled city is a complete disaster and a third world shit hole with a bunch of niggers running rampant.

>The sates with democratic governors accepted the federal money and this gap does not exist.
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> Anonymous (ID: oaTEvndu) 08/17/16(Wed)17:49:14 No.85679554▶
> (OP)
>Obama literally created a luxury tax on high-end health insurance plans.
Bullshit, in Jew York and now in this gap after they canceled my insurance.
If I get sick, planning to jump off a building so the Jews can't sell my organs.

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>The only reason I have healthcare
It's in process of falling apart, even CNN admitted today. Aetna just pulled out, it's over. You're as fucked as I am now.

Unless you're in the medical industry you should still want better healthcare reform.

Look at the per-capita numbers for health spending between developed countries, bearing in mind that the people poorer than you aren't paying that much.

Where do you think the difference comes from?

Yep sure premiums are more expensive.

No one is claiming affordable healthcare is bad. They're claiming healthcare cheaper than cost is bad, which it is it, for the same reason a company selling anything for less than what it's worth is.

Insurance is not "I pay a little bit each month then later, I make up all that I spent because they have to pay a huge sum for an outrageous cost"

The way insurance is supposed to work is like a gamble where the house always wins. Some players win, most lose. You're betting that you'll win (literally, you're betting you'll get sick).

Insurance companies do the math and offer a set of "wins" based on you getting sick. if you happen to get sick, you in essence, beat the house.

If you don't get sick, you wasted your money and the house wins, keeping your money.

Either way, given a sample size large enough, insurance companies can find a relative margin in which they'll break even, then set costs slightly (or hugely) above that cost, and make money every time.

If society or something changes, they raise rates.

They always win.

Now. Imagine a world where they HAVE to cover everyone, even people they know they're going to lose money on or whom don't even want their service or can't afford to gamble.

Well, one of two things happens. Either the company goes bankrupt, or they raise rates to huge margins so that people who both aren't paying AND get very sick are still covered.

Guess who pays all the extra costs.

>protip: it's not the companies.

read a book you retarded liberal

>2014 days
>all the companies opting out is happening this year

>Obamacare didn't work was Republican policies
>Literally architected by Democrats

Lol thats not true trickle down economics is bullshit read a book you stupid republishit if you cut taxes on the rich the only place its going is to offshore accounts in the caymen islands

Dumbfuck

>redpill me on x

If you believe that chart then you are a assclown.

Would you beleive this chart then?

So your saying it's current year and your opinions you've had since 2008 are now valid?

>SJW detected.

It failed because it's a windfall for private insurance and Big Pharma. You need to pay more attention to what's happening in your country and why it's happening.

Ask me how I know you're a female? And not a white one either.


I'm watching you. Better straighten up and vote trump or your families will be disappointed with what happens to you...

Yea it didn't work in the Reagan years right? Keep on eating those red pills.

roundabout scheme to get white people to further subsidize the healthcare of nogs/spics, plain and simple.

Also has such excellent side effects as causing everyone to get slashed to 29 hours/week to avoid being classified as full time, as well as causing hospitals and healthcare systems to conglomerate into megacorps that own entire regions of the country.

Don't bother the only charts and stats they believe are the ones that show that niggers have a lower iq

It's not truly radical enough to change anything in a way that is helpful to ordinary folks.

It didn't do anything to correct the price inflation of medical services.

It didn't do anything to stop conflicts of interest in the payment systems of the medical system.

There are many different approaches to healthcare around the world but Obamacare learned nothing from any of them.

>healthcare cheaper than cost
Which is in the range of $3000-$5000 per person on average.

Yet we're spending $9000 per person on average.

People who whine for single payer ignore the fact that a lot of countries have (highly-regulated, nonprofit) insurance companies that handle healthcare billing.

But they also have price controls throughout their systems. The lack of price controls is the reason US healthcare costs so much.

And for the record, having price controls does not imply that they are set below-cost, so spare me the half-assed economics lecture.

California, don't believe this faggot. I he is clearly some fresh out of high school shit lord who lives here on pol and thinks he knows everything.

Reagan literally destroyed the country and is the reason we are in this mess.

Dumbfuck

Typical nigger mentality you have there
>We disagree with with this
>Lets kill to get our way
Do us all a favor and drop dead you sack of shit. You are a cancer on society. Civilized people don't kill over disagreements, but niggers kill over any little transgression. Not surprised you think like a nigger, since you're an obamafag

I'm unemployed.
Obama thinks I should shit out 145 bucks a month, for a service I don't use.

Tell me how it's working.

dude healthcare lmao

Doesn't except facts.

>Hello Akmed, how is the US treating you? raped a lot of children yet?

Because there are no free lunches, and sooner or later, those costs will catch up with you... Responsible adults want to control their own finances, rather than hand control over their lives and wallets to the government.
People shouldn't be forced to pay into a system that require them to cover other people's poor life choices... Smoking, drinking, drug use, sexual diseases, self induced obesity, self induced mental problems, sex change operations... These things are responsible for 90% of the cost of healthcare, and pass them on to everyone else, eliminating personal responsibility... Why should you be made to pay for other people's poor choices? I support single payer health care coverage, but I want a plan that allows me to opt out of coverage for self induced conditions, and rewards me for healthy living.

Whatever cletus drumpf will lose in a landslide and I'll be shitposting on Sup Forums watching all of you stormweenies commit suicide en masse

hrmorning.com/aca-ruling-you-can-get-sued-reducing-employee-hours/

money.cnn.com/2015/06/25/news/economy/obamacare-employees-hours/

Your math sure is funny.

I pity you, being too stupid to realize you're a cuck.

>liberals think cutting taxes for the middle class is trickle-down economics
LMAO

After paying the insurance premiums we're too poor to pay attention. :(

"If you like your plan you can keep your plan"

Lie

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"

Lie

"Your premiums will go down"

Lie

That's basically it.

I know exactly what's going on with it, smart ass, and ObamaCare is in place entirely because of democrats. Lobbyists pay all kinds of politicians and in this case they were all democrats.