Gary Johnson

What's the deal with Gary Johnson? Is he libertarian? Or is he a liberal plant? Pls redpill.

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He's a left leaning libertarian, in contrast to Ron and Rand Paul, who are right leaning libertarians.

He's the best choice out of Trump and Hillary.

HE is a gay looking fucking faggot

looks like a kike to me

by the standards of the Libertarian Party, he's not very libertarian at all
by the standards of the Democratic and Republican Parties, he's very libertarian

hes a liberal plant. im a libertarian and this man holds no values that would be considered libertarian. any smart libertarian would be right wing, and this guy is as left as jill stein

>pro open borders
>pro TPP
>dude weed lmao
>hillary dindu nuffin
>trump is a racis!!

this man is a fucking joke

A lot of the people I know are voting for him simply because he's not Trump. Seems like a pretty weak selling point.

he has scarecrow hair and his face makes me uncomfortable

if you favor the drug war and oppose free trade I think what's going on here is that you probably aren't actually a libertarian. most of the people on Sup Forums that claim to be are the same authoritarian, populist, nationalists that the Trump crowd is.

he's a wimpy republican who couldn't cut it in the GOP debates, so he sent himself to the AA club

he's pandering hard for liberal voters. he has no libertarian principles

and most importantly, the guy just sucks at speaking. let him in the debate. at best he will be ignored. at worst he will be humiliated by the people on the stage who can get a coherent sentence out of their mouths

Gary Johnson is NeoCon is libertarian clothing.Seriously dig into his policies and you will see.

>legalizing weed will end the war on drugs

Yeah, because weed is the only drug that gets sold on the streets.

Is the libertarian party itself even that libertarian? Someone once told me the current libertarian party is way off base from its ideological roots to the point where its hard to draw connections between their policies and classical libertarianism. Is this true?

Any libertarians want to elaborate?

a.) there's a big range of stuff that falls under the libertarian umbrella. From Gary all the way to hardcore ancaps that think anything the government does beyond enforcing contracts is tyranny.
b.) there's also just some out-and-out loonies in the LP, like most third parties.

Of course he's a libertarian. He was their 2012 nominee too.

Nigger, you realize that's his goal right? To take Hillary supporters. Look at the polls, Hillary always leads less when Johnson is included. He was a Republican governor.

The Libertarian Party is locked in an eternal civil war between actual libertarians and low-tax liberals. Gary Johnson is the latter, and in this particular election he is running with neocon support in an effort to get Hillary elected.

>TPP
>free trade

Pick one.

>pro open borders

Yeah, freedom doesn't start and stop at the border. If you apply for a work visa and we don't have laborers that want to do your trade then fuck yeah come on in. Free trade used to be something Republicans could agree w/ Libertarians on.

>pro TPP

Again, free trade. Gary's read on it is that it isn't a gov't picking winners and losers thing, it's a free trade thing. What is your criticism of TPP?

>dude weed lmao

are you seriously suggesting continued prohibition of a fucking plant is sensible in 2016?

>hillary dindu

He's been sharply critical of her poor judgement and has made that part of his case for why he's the better candidate. You're acting like he's sucking her cock. HE'S TRYING TO WIN A RACE AGAINST HER.

>trump is a racis!!

Everyone not on this fucking board is pretty sure that's accurate.

It's a pretty strong selling point when you're the best candidate in the field.

>free trade
>TPP

lol

He pays a few grand for internet memes

Does this make you more "comfortable"

This wasn't done by his superpac bro. Also, this is a knock off comic sans abortion

I haven't followed much of this guy. Are you telling me that the candidate for the libertarian party isn't for legalizing drugs across the board?

youtube.com/watch?v=c_49jorGDEw&list=PL4657181C8B530BA0

I feel like he is more like a moderate.
Like he is using the Libertarian party as a platform to get the word out there that there are alternatives to the extremes of the Democratic and Republican party.
He wouldn't have had much luck anywhere else so might as well join the Libertarian party.

Still think he is the best candidate out of the three, desu.

And since he seems less right wing than libertarians such as Rand, I think he wouldn't just be a siphon off of conservative votes.

>DUDE

It's called market share dude. 60% of cartel funding used to be MJ. That's number is on the decline and hard stuff isn't a 1 for 1 replacement. Kill the black market on weed and you're already halfway to starving the beast.

Cant Parry The Gary

>Hillary lite

He'll steal more votes from Hillary than from Trump. Gary Johnson is helping to make America great again.

I've been shilling Johnson to my Bernout friends who just can't swallow that Hillpill but don't want to vote Trump.

He's for legalizing weed and decriminalizing other drugs you ass clown. He was even talking about clinics that would test syringes to make sure they were clean.

He endorsed BLM. What do you think?

Far out man

He's trying to save the long-term life of the Republican party as it exists today by spoiling Trump's election, and by extension the energy and momentum of what you guys might call Trump's "red pill revolution"

In other words, he's doing god's work.

I like how his co-president wild Bill Weld always bails him out.

link?

Thats what he said, the reason he gave for leaving the republican party was that the refusal to work together by the republicans and democrats was ridiculous.

If it leads to law enforcement having less power, it's a good thing.

So did Glenn Beck. What's your point?

Are you insinuating that BLM is a proxy for some sort of social malfeasance?

He has some plausible and positive conservative stances (illegal immigration, terrorism, gun rights), but his negatives are pretty big (small defense budget, abortion, BLM, some backward fiscal ideas).

Well then there we go.

I still think, instead of focusing so much on the presidential race, the Libertarian/Moderate party should focus on swing states for the Legislative Branch, so at least there would be moderation, to vote against the Republicans if they try anything stupid, and then vote against the Democrats when they are being morons as well.
Would be nice that way.

get your ass back to Toronto Tonto.

>"some backward fiscal ideas"

There's no fucking ideological purity test that Johnson has submitted too. He's roundly suggested that he's willing to compromise. read: he'll actually do shit.

He is a libertarian, but he's kind of a crappy libertarian. However, he does have broader appeal and name recognition, so he'll do better than Peterson or McAfee.

He's the least authoritarian of the bunch, so I support him. I'm just happy that Stein isn't a real threat with her

Jesus, the LP is a long way from having an organized ground game. One of the nice things about him and Weld is that the LP might garner broader support and get some Federal funding next cycle (I can see the irony, and yes it's delicious).

he's a dope fiend, splains everything. way smarter than trumptard

>Open borders.
That is a libertarian policy. Dipshit.
>Pro TPP
That is a libertarian policy in its intent. Dipshit.
>Dude weed.
That is a libertarian policy. Dipshit.
>Trump is a racis
Trump is a racist.

YOU are a fucking joke mate.

Yes I agree he'd "do some shit". I like his take on illegal immigration because it's actually plausible and somewhat of a compromise for both sides. I also like his stance on marriage.

His ideas to drastically cut military spending and his view on abortion, while a compromise, is not something I agree with.

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He's an anti property rights "libertarian". He might as well be a dem

Would bet 2.016 thousand dollars that his campaign will lift off after the debates and take the election.

He's the next NDP, except not socialist.

Fair enough, abortion is such a bullshit wedge issue anyway. There is no good answer.

As far as Military spending he's talked about 20% reduction. We buy RETARDED amounts of shit we don't need for the military. THEY ARE LITERALLY GIVING THAT SHIT AWAY. DoD doesn't want more shit that costs an arm and leg to pay for, but budget development reality keeps these asshole porkbarrel projects alive way past their development cycle. Gary would wear pants and stand up to that shit. Also, he'd probably fire a lot of the bloated DC workforce that is basically overhead w used to need before you know word processors kind of destroyed secretarial work.

the first part of your post I agree with, more or less, but I am afraid I cannot do the same for the latter part

especially after he threw away that guy's flintlock at the convention, that was just rude.

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TPP is about as anti-libertarian as it gets mate

TPP is a big issue for me, and only Trump and Sanders have been vocal opponents of it. Hillary was all for it but then backed off to be more like Bernie, but you bet your sweet, tasty ass she'll implement it if she gets 'elected*'

Disagree that free-trade agreements are not libertarian. If there is evidence that we've "picked winners and losers" I haven't seen it. Can you speak to your specific concerns w/ TPP? How does it prevent a level playing field/free and open competition?

Genuinely interested.

Why do Americlaps vote for third party candidates, yanks don't live in a representative democracy. It's literally wasted time and a wasted vote.

Explain yourselves.

Literally smug anime posting tier

unless enough people do it.

in any case when the two main parties give us two awful options I don't consider voting for someone who's agenda I can actually support to be a wasted vote, even if he won't win.

He's a goddamn plant. Ron Paul has, and always will be the true libertarian. The Libertarian party is nothing but a globalist creation to be used as a weapon against the Republicans when needed.

I love these polls showing him over 10%. They're all bullshit. No one even knows who he is.

Hillary has this shit in the bag. She's just dribbling slowly down the court letting the time run out. At this point a Trump vote is also a wasted vote. Might as well "vote your conscience."

I support GJ on policy for the most part but I feel like Trump has become the face of the counter revolution and if he doesn't win our country will be irredeemably cemented in the shitty PC culture we have today.

he's stoned all the time and he wants hilary to win

If Libertarians are pro globalist TTP then fuck them.

Too late bro

>someone unironically became a #cruzmissle

wew lad

>More trade is not a libertarian policy.
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Thats a jew nose, there a sneaky bunch those jews always changing there name to fool people that there not jews, why would they do that?

He's a libertarian that's for restricting people's rights.

Which is why I don't get why he's Libertarian.

That Austin Petersen was okay, but McAfee and Johnson are fucking retards or don't know what "Libertarian" means.

>muh globalism

"I think all the world would gain by setting commerce at perfect liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1785

It's ships jobs overseas, meaning less jobs for Americans and upping the price of manufacturing in the US, forcing Americans to buy products cheaply from places like China.

>He's a libertarian that's for restricting people's rights.

Request splain

>quote by thomas jefferson
>implying 18th centure smart people were smarter than 21st century smart people
Why do people do this?

Just because Thomas Jefferson said it doesn't make it true. If you can't see his globalism destroys culture and industry then I worry for your sanity.

Yup.

A vote for Johnson is a vote for Trump.

Gtfo with your shiityy faggot leader

if you think America will be ruined by trading with other nations, you seem to have a pretty low opinion of America.

Or you're just an idiot who thinks that global wealth is a fixed size and that we can only win by making someone else lose. This is false.

Since the time of Adam Smith and David Ricardo, economists have known that free trade is the best policy.

Sure there will be short term imapcts to the US economy, but we're not making policy for the fucking asswipe baby-boomers that fucked us all up, we're trying to write a better framework for the next generation.

You protectionist motherfuckers are always cutting off your nose to spite your face.

A better framework of less jobs and crap products made in China.

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There's no such thing as free trade anymore. It won't work when you're the only one doing it.

lying shills

TPP guts tariffs on American goods that we want to sell to China and Japan.

The case against investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) and drug patents seems plausible at first, but I (and probably Johnson) aren't convinced that US companies won't ALSO benefit from those provisions.

Only thing about TPP that has me concerned is internet governance. On that, I see your issue...don't fuck with a good thing.

haha lol.

Reddit loves TPP like Hillary likes cigars

>TPP is free trade
"Free trade is a policy followed by some international markets in which countries' governments do not restrict imports from, or exports to, other countries."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade
Why then does it take 30 chapters to say that? It isn't even a chapter a country. Also, why would libertarians want more laws regarding trade and especially on copyright terms and more DRM protection? eff.org/issues/tpp

>if you think America will be ruined by trading with other nations
Yeah, because that's EXACTLY what user said.

That's a good read, and yeah, the main flaw of TPP is the DCMA takedown practices...but to be fair we're already party to that. The DCMA stuff (as I understand it) mostly just ruins it for Canada.

Copyright and DRM protect IP assets. Who does most of the pirating (PACRIM countries)? Who is doing most of the IP generating (USA)?

I think it's possible we're doing some boogey-manning over stuff that's not meant to address Americans but rather give teeth to enforcement of American interests abroad.

Then again, I don't know. Where were we?

Oh yeah, Johnson (even w/ TPP) is still a totally viable candidate and a better middle finger to the establishment than old Don Tron.

That showed his true colors

>Well, TPP might not be free trade, but that's totally okay! Because it MIGHT not apply to us.

Backpedalling much?

Mainstream party has become way more liberal in hopes of drawing disillusioned millennials. A lot of positions are still heavily debated in the community though, like immigration and abortion. It's about 50/50 on both sides of the spectrum with the aforementioned issues in particular.

Gary Johnson might as well be a moderate Democrat though, he's hardly libertarian by classical standards.

>t. Libertarian voting for Trump

See my previous comment where I also acknowledged there were compromises wrt internet governance.

Strawman much?

>Hillary shits in a bag. It's just dribbling slowly into her colostomy bag.

What is actually happening.

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Gary rules.

>Strawman
The default "fuck you" of Sup Forums, since no one ever uses it right.

>calls me mad
>posts twice to make sure I see it

Someone give this Dutchman a Stroopwafel

>left
>good

Kys

Liberals call Johnson a Republican in sheep's clothing, there to steal votes from Hillary.

Conservatives call him a Democrat in sheep's clothing stealing votes from Trump.

You would a Libertarian would be seen as a non-combatant in politics, someone who poses no threat to either established party, because after all they're just throwing away their vote. But actually supporting Johnson pisses off everyone. Both sides see you as a traitor to their cause.

The "sides" can go fuck themselves.

>But actually supporting Johnson pisses off everyone. Both sides see you as a traitor to their cause.
This is because the one thing that Democrats and Republicans agree on is that they want the government to have more power over its citizens and make more rules about what they can and can't do. They only differ about which things they want to prohibit and mandate.

Gary ain't the purest of libertarians by a long shot, but at least the guy wants to reduce the power and reach of government. Not nearly as far as it should be reduced, but reduced all the same. That would be progress, and it's something that both big parties will fight against relentlessly.