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Luther

Protestantism

Christianity

With the English dissenters.

The majority of preachers more worried about filling the pews instead teaching what their supposed too.

jesuit infiltration

cultural revolution

>implying people who have to delude themselves into believing a non-thing just to function won't fall prey to another faction that does the same

Second Vatican Council.

People only valuing parts of the Bible and taking parts out of the Bible example "Don't Judge"

Tried to combine hippie culture with society building philosophies. Also, its laws are fundamentally incompatible with self esteem. We could do all the good things the bible asks of us without the fairytale.

Messianism tbqh. Look at Buddhist groups like Tibet; they don't have to worry about communists or libertarians, because they understand that the way to a better life is through contemplation and rightful action. Look at the Pagans, who understood that man's fate was fixed, but he could change the details of it through just and mighty effort. Look at the Confucians and Legalists, who both understood that the social contract is as important to the individual as the individual is to the social contract.

Compare these to the foundations of communism, fascism, and libertarianism in different forms of messianic cultural/religious backgrounds. If you wait long enough, then the market/proleteriat/pure Aryan genetics will solve every problem, ever, so long as they're allowed to be given all of your support. They're doctrines of laziness, so of course Westerners and Sup Forums would adore them. They encourage you to exploit, rather than create; to dominate with force, rather than with justice.

European culture would be better off if Nero had been serious about killing Christians, instead of treating it as a past-time.

This picture is very gay, Christians are against mass immigration more than any other religion.

But of course the instinct of the disgusting creature, the atheist, searches for somebody that believes in something to blame. They pick the easiest target, the Christians, and blame them for all the problems that they themselves(the atheists) voted for.

Meant for OP

Ya know only some people think like that in the church?


DO you honestly believe what the pastor preaches is something we all have to agree with 100%?

Just yesterday at my service the main pastor let a JR pastor talk. ANd the JR guy was praying that we can overcome our skin color and be united as one nation with one god. ANd than he said this "White cops killing black men" and "guys killing white cops"

ANd that really ticked me because if he had the balls to say whtie cops killing black men why cant he have the fucking truth and balls ot say black Men killing white cops?


But ya know what. I don't have to agree with him on that. And i disagree completely with his wording.

BUT that will not make me hate the church nor will it make me ignore the overall message. Which is that we as a nation need to be united regardless of race united against the enemies of jesus such as the devil, whorish women being normal, islamist who want to impose their way of life, and atheist who just want to make us feel like they are so smart while we are stupid.
The church does not DETERMINE your every thought and opinion. Some people in my church are voting hillary, some trump. Why should i stop going just because of the hjillary losers?

>Christians are against mass immigration more than any other religion.

How does Brexit prove Christians are against mass immigration in any way? Christcucks still believe if a 60 IQ cannibal negro wears a cross on his neck he magically becomes just like us.

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We didn't remove enough kebab during the crusades.

Shifting the goal post.
Non-Sequitur.
>Brexit was at least partially an unofficial referendum about mass immigration.
>Just because someone does not support your extreme racialist views does not mean they support mass-immigration.

You are stupid.

I can already tell you live in Seattle WA.

>What went wrong?
Based Nero lost the election and the Constantine the Tumblr Fag fucked things up good.

#MakeSPQRGreatAgain

When the religion started invading European Pagan lands.

People still believing in fairytales in the year 2016, especially when all one has to do is take a look at christianity's roots to realize it's just a load of manmade shit
I mean, you literally can't make the fact it literally imported and mish mashed gods and shit from older religions

Protestants happened.

Spengler saw this and wrote about it. So did Evola to an extent. It is a cycle, and the only intellectual I know of today adding to Spengler's work would be Volkmar Weiss. The Population Cycle Drives Human History would be the essay to key on.

Cuck.

You really made me think, mate.

Talmudist subversion.

Belief in equality superseding belief in God.

Loss of understanding of the value of the Old Testament.

Morally Therapeutic Deism replacing strict adherence to Biblical doctrine.

I could go on but thinking about it is just making me feel depressed.

not to defend christfags but do any conservative christians in america actually defend open borders?

>implying the most commie places on earth right now aren't asian

People like this man. Making Christianity as palatable to the ~spiritual not religious~ types until all you're left with is sentimental platitudes and saying the word 'love' a lot.

Pretty sure that guy has never read scripture.
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It was nipped in the bud.

>wasn't
Bugger, typing is hard

Yes and they defend Israel

In the U.S., our problem is a collusion between Roman Catholics and Jews in the federal government, who combine to undermine our Protestant society. Case in point is the SSM decision, Obergfell. The U.S. Supreme Court was composed of 6 Roman Catholics, and 3 Jews for that decision (zero protestants on that court, though protestants make up a majority of U.S. citizens), and they arbitrarily crushed over a thousand years of jurisprudence favoring the union of one man to one woman. Just the wanton destruction so typical of papists and their jew fellow travelers: anything that they cannot fuck, they will try to fight or piss on, like a pack of wild animals.

They stopped reading their Bibles.

fpbp

2 things
>Catholicism in general
>people stopped reading the bible
literally all you have to do is listen to the word of god and everything would be cool

The modern invention of 'nice Jesus'

Pic related.

unnatural, unholy

Yep this.

This. Protestantism was the start of any hobo forming his own denomination and misleading the flock.
But also capitalism and decadence. Notice that in Europe, the most secular and cucked countries are in Northern Europe. That includes France and Belgium, Catholic countries.
Protestantism, Capitalism, but also the Sexual Revolution and Feminism and Atheism which has brought about all of this to cascade into what we currently call the modern day.

Powerful cartoon.

I'd been meaning to transfer that image to my new computer. Cheers, cunt.

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Seriously, you can trace all thie bullshit back to this issue of pastors and churh goers not standing against the culture around them. The shit the world is in right now is the result of a worn down Church giving up the fight.

>that flag
at every catholic mass, every single day, scripture is read 4 times from 4 different places in the bible, and catholics are encouraged to read their bibles in general.

Got any more protestant memes?

The pope is a heretic. Individual churches can be amazingly based and biblical, whether they're Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, and vice versa, but trying to invoke a rift between denominations isn't going to solve anything at this time.

>purgatory
>indulgences
>"saint" worship
>idolatry
>changing the times and the laws

If someone in church ever says "Don't you believe in equality?" then please at the very least smack them in the face. If you want to keep it biblical then use a whip like Jesus did.

>the pope is a heretic
>don't invoke a rift
protestant logic

>praying to a kike on a stick
>if you dont believe in a skydaddy you're a shill
wew this board makes me sweat

Francis is a globalist shill. That's not a controversial statement on my part. That's blatant truth.

At best he's setting up the next crusade, but in all honesty, he's probably had his pockets lined by a bunch of Talmudists. He's not even Christian. He believes in the pagan god called equality.

Religion dictates how people should be, and as a society of mixed religions that guidance is lost in the scramble. We wouldn't have civilization without some kind of common respect outside of religion.. So who's to say it's caused this influx of immigration? Money seems to be the only reason we have our problems as a country.
Feminism is America's main enemy, it subverts all rational thinking into propaganda, hidden as human rights. Driven by money like everything else. Blame it on a secret group of rich people, blame it on god, blame it on the president.. Or blame ourselves for allowing this bullshit to spread. If a guy wants to live a cuckold life, cut his dick off and pretend he's a she, or live with guilt of his own skin color.. it's their life so ignore it or ridicule it, but i don't think society should automatically accept them. Acceptance should have a limit, tolerance is another story.

The Bible says there are no nationalities or genders

Saying 'no' is uncomfortable for people.

Maybe when your native population is all but dead it'll finally hit you. I don't care. Your country's destruction will serve as a powerful warning to the rest of Europe. Thanks for being the willing sacrifice, Swedie.

Christianity is defined by human sacrifice. Early Christians were cucks who willingly sacrificed themselves to the Romans.

The only reason this changed was because a Roman emperor took up christianity and thus it adapted to the mainstream Roman culture of conquest and progress.

That culture is gone and now it's back to it's self-sacrifical cuck-culture

This.
Allowing women to preach. I've listened to a few and holy shit they are pitiful.

>The Bible says there are no nationalities or genders
The Bible says there are nationalities and genders. You're wrong. Good pic though, shame your own attempt at input completely failed to hold up to its standard.

Dafaq is that girl ? I seen it many times.

Sorry, can't hear you over the hordes of Muslims that we fought back during the Crusades.

>38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

>39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
>40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
>41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
>42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

—Matthew 5:38–5:42 KJV

Christ-chan

She's just a meme some people use for when someone wants to show different reactions that represent Christianity.

How about the fact that Catholics read the Bible the least of all denominations?

Very good. Now tell me this, m8:

If an innocent person is being attacked by a barbarian, what is your moral obligation?

Thanks. Is it used to mock christianity or just a "neutral" meme ?

I will defend myself

it's literally straight out of the book of Maccabees; Luther took it out of the bible because he didn't like it; it's elsewhere in the bible as well

"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
Entirely biblical and licit; protestants like to point out that there were latent abuses involving church officials selling indulgences; an indulgence cannot be sold and if it is sold, it is not licit

Catholics do not worship saints or Mary; rather, we ask them to pray for us.

Catholics do not idolize or worship any images or statues and never have

You're going to have to be more specific with the last one; the Catholic Church, being the One True Church established by Christ himself, retains the power and authority to change customary and cultural laws depending on circumstance; other laws, such as dogmas and certain doctrines, are unchangeable

I'm sorry that's your painfully erroneous impression of him, but i take controversy with your statement.

>Is it used to mock christianity or just a "neutral" meme ?
It's a neutral one. Some Christians think that it's trashy, and others like to use it. It's up to you. Just remember that she's not an idol. She's just a slew of reaction images, and no-one thinks of her as anything more than that.

>I will defend myself
That's not what I said. Allow me to repeat myself: There's an innocent person being attacked by a barbarian. The innocent person isn't you. You're a third party. You're in a reasonable proximity of the incident but not directly involved yet. What is your moral obligation?

Who is this cartoonist?

Is this the new A. Wyatt Mann?

I don't have an obligation. If it's a friend however I'd defend them

That's what was so revolutionary about Christianity though, because it is natural to want to strike back at your enemy but Christ said give your enemy love, your cloak, let him strike your cheek.

Forgiveness breaks chains of violence, its less likely that your enemy keeps taking from you and hitting you then begins to feel bad for you then leave you alone, eventually they might get so effected by it then they will be your best friend.

Its because of that, we can have fair laws we have today, why Christian societies thrive while Eye for an Eye societies don't.

There are also warlike verses in The New Testament too, Christians can often do great military deeds when they think its right, so then when they expect to strike your cheek then they don't get their hand back. :) So its also a way to disarm your enemies and get them too confident then they cannot expect when our forgiveness runs out.

>i take controversy with your statement.
I feel like there's a distinction which needs to be made between the personal and the political, and I also think that Francis has by all accounts shown a lack of awareness of that distinction.

However, that's nothing more than a personal suspicion. I'm too geographically removed to take personal offence to his political actions. Because of that, I see no reason to start an argument with you.

Thank you, my friend *Polish Accent*

consider the fact that the bible is read to them every day of the year, it just depends on how often they go to church

>that unsourced image
too bad protestants read their bible like a cooking manual

Otherwise, there is the problem of people claiming to be Catholic, but not actually being Catholics ("cultural" Catholics) see: modern day Ireland

>I don't have an obligation
You see no reason to protect the innocent from unjust violence?

>If it's a friend however I'd defend them
What about a fellow countryman?

What about a young native girl from your country?

>What is your moral obligation?
Not him but my moral obligation is to defend the innocent person however I can, but how does that prove God exist?

>Pope Francis is a liberal marxist
Pope Francis is oftentimes given that slant in msm* ftfy
>Pope says gay marriage is from satan
cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law

>Pope Francis speaks against Gay adoption
wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/

>Compares trans rights to nuclear arms race
independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html

>Pope Francis says that there's no salvation outside the Church
catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/

>He excommunicates an Australian priest supporting gay marriage and women clergy
huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html

>Pope Francis is against gender theory and for traditional gender roles
ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution

>Pope is against abortion
lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/

>He Encourages the use of force against ISIS
businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8

>Pope Francis is against lukewarm "faith"
catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/

>The Pope is misquoted often
christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/

>The Pope Rebukes Communist Cross
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html

>but how does that prove God exist?
It doesn't. I'm using an example of defense of an innocent to explain why Matthew 5:38-42 isn't telling people to be wimpy cucks.

>Pope Francis is oftentimes given that slant in msm
Wouldn't surprise me. I don't hear much from him directly.

I'm glad he's not falling for the ridiculous bullshit that's going on with 'trans rights' at the very least.

Nothing.

Can I not get so many 6 gets? ffs.

can confirm the faggots at my parents church(parents are fundamentalist enough to think i was demon possessed at one point)are going to help the refugges at the camps. typical christian faggots.

I'm writing out a quick text to teach the Catholic worldview without going into the history of the church. Wondering what you all think and could critique.


To begin, to apostolic thought God is not some anthropomorphic individual inside or outside the universe, though anthropomorphism may be useful to us. God is the willful and constant ground of reality, maintaining it at all times. Thus God does not interact with the universe in a physical way (moving, acting upon things) insofar as you wouldn't mess with sound waves directly to change the current song. Rather, as with God's creative ability, you'd simply change what the jukebox plays.

In the Catholic worldview, our desires have an inherent irrationality to them. This is the make up of our "fallen state" that you hear about in Christian thought. This does not mean we gained this irrationality but rather lost assistance against it. Our desires aren't bad but they can be abused outside of our reason. There is also our conscience. We do not define the law our conscience works by (though our understanding of the world through reason will decide how we interpret it) and that conscience must be followed for the good of man. Else there is guilt (given they don't numb their own conscience). Our conscience is where Catholics believe God directs man toward his will, which (given's God's position in relation to creation) is synonymous with the good of something.


This is where the term "follow your conscience" comes from and is generally what Catholics support. However, Catholics would also give a general answer on what the overall goal of God's will for man is that is expressed through the conscience and that is a life of love. However, not love in the romantic, brotherly, or sexual sense but love in the traditional way: The willing of the good of the other without self-interest.

part 1/2

>calls the pope a manifest heretic, speaking purely out of feels
>gets trip 6s
>is surprised

part 2/2

A life dedicated towards this is what Catholics would say is a life of virtue and is seen as saintly. This is the fulfillment of the conscience (or more accurately the fulfillment of the man) and thus a life of an inner joy.

However this runs up against our irrational desires and so the Catholics assert the only proper solution here is not to deny desires overtly but tame their irrationality. This is where much Christian struggle takes place. Sin is not something that has real existence but it understood as separations from our fulfillment in love. This can reflect small details (venial sins) or direct separations of interest (mortal sins). This change is absolutely not easy as it's the heart of challenge. As the heart of a person changes and becomes softer so to does the care of others and your own faults become more apparent and more dire to them. Here only a coward gives in to this reality and hardens their heart again. Catholic thought couples this softening of heart with courage to face struggles inside and out. The Christian monks dedicate themselves to that manner of work. However in no case are we perfect. The glory of the saints never came from assumed perfection but rather through admittance of faults and the constant courage to fight for the good despite it.

God's will for us and all things is that we adhere to the natural purposes laid out for us for our good - that inner joy - rather than just material flourishing. What burdens we bear and what blessings we gain are not for us as tests or rewards in this life but our methods for growth as God means the best for us at all times. Even if a heart must be broken first to be opened. What tempts and tests us are our own desires. However, there must be motivation to expect from God what is best for us and despite situations knowing that following the good will lead us in the right direction for it rather than giving in to desires blindly. What is necessary there is faith.

"Protestantism naturally begets toleration of error. Rejecting the principle of authority in religion, it has neither criterion nor definition of faith. On the principle that every individual or sect may interpret the deposit of revelation according to the dictates of private judgement, it gives birth to endless differences and contradictions. Impelled by the law of its own impotence, through lack of any decisive voice of authority in matters of faith, it is forced to recognize as valid and orthodox any belief that springs from the exercise of private judgement. Therefore does it finally arrive, by force of its own premises, at the conclusion that one creed is as good as another; it then seeks to (16) shelter its inconsistency under the false plea of liberty of conscience. Belief is not imposed by a legitimately and divinely constituted authority, but springs directly and freely from the unrestricted exercise of the individual's reason or caprice upon the subjectmatter of revelation. The individual or sect interprets as it pleases, rejecting or accepting what it chooses. This is popularly called liberty of conscience. Accepting this principle, Infidelity on the same plea rejects all revelation, and Protestantism, which handed over the premise, is powerless to protest against the conclusion; for it is clear that one, who under the plea of rational liberty has the right to repudiate any part of revelation that may displease him, can not logically quarrel with one, who on the same ground repudiates the whole. If one creed is as good as another on the plea of rational liberty, on the same plea no creed is as good as any. Taking the field with this fatal weapon of Rationalism, Infidelity has stormed and taken the very citadel of Protestantism helpless against the foe of its own making."

this is extremely close to what Richard Dawkins said about Jesus, and his purpose in saying that was to undermine Christianity

they wavered their spirits and become weak. Frolicked in peace too much and let people trample then in the name of turning to the other cheek.

Only if these priest's would go on a missionary then they would know.

I learned from the chapel priest's in my town who were missionaries before that traditions of the old church have withered.

not bad. i like your approach.
Some tips: you say
>I'm writing out a quick text to teach the Catholic worldview
>quick text
try to write like you would talk in person; that will make it easier for people to understand and maybe overcome some of the biases against catholics
Also: Conscience is the mechanism by which Man communes with God. Feel free to work this in if you like.
>The willing of the good of the other without self-interest.
The epitome of love is even greater than that. Remember our Lord said "Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends"; that is, sacrificial love, love that is willing to give up oneself for another, that is the supreme love as evidenced by our Lord's sacrifice

Other than that, keep up the good work

out of genuine curiosity, if conscience is the mechanism by which man communicates with God, what does that make psychopaths, who essentially don't experience a conscience?

Protestantism inherently undermines Christianity.

So you don't need to read the Bible because the priest will do it for you? Says a lot about Catholics DESU senpai.

I would say of psychpaths, homosexuals, trans-gendered, et. al. that they have a malformed conscience.

The Catholic Catechism says of conscience:
"Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."

The "voice" of conscience is but a whisper for such individuals, whether by their own fault or for some other reason.

this must be a photoshop then

Se fode aí.

>Luther

He knew it at the time. At the end tried to keep people in line and stop the rebellions.

As a faithful Catholic, I read my bible every day; it is read at every mass as well.

Thanks.

>that will make it easier for people to understand and maybe overcome some of the biases against catholics

That's somewhat contextual so I'll try to rewrite it to others depending on the circumstance and use the version I build up as reference and for quick copy/pasting if needed.

>Also: Conscience is the mechanism by which Man communes with God. Feel free to work this in if you like.

This is a fairly high concept in relation to what I said, no? Either way, I'll better rewrite it so the conscience is better represented as a seat of God's will expressed in us.

>The epitome of love...

That sorta plays into one another so I'll make the self-sacrifice of love more apparent when I speak of it.

Thanks.

This is a development problem, usually imposed on them. It is as says - there is a malformed or dulled conscience rather than a lack thereof.