I know we had this thread before but fuck it...

I know we had this thread before but fuck it. I just finished Season three of Bojack and been going through VB withdrawls. Who's the shittier person? And based on the last episode of s3, who would be the shittier parent?

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I can't stay here. I can't do this again.

Bojack

Rusty has his friends and family is at least CAPABLE of loving them

and really, if mastering clone technology regardless of how badly it violates the laws of man and god isn't love, then I don't know what it.

>and really, if mastering clone technology regardless of how badly it violates the laws of man and god isn't love, then I don't know what it.

If you have a baby that runs into walls you make it wear a helmet if you have death prone kids you keep a few clone bodies around.

Bojack made all of his own problems.
Waaaaaaahhh I'm not young
Waaaaaaahhh I'm doing bad things
Waaaaaaahhh I'm hurting myself and my friends

Who caused all Rusty's problems?
>This guy.

Rusty says over and over how much he wishes he had a normal adolescence and not have assholes like the Monarch get in his way and kill his boys.

But he clones his boys, because he's a super scientist and a super dad, in a COMPLETELY FUCKED UP super world.
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Bojack is the shittier person.

Both of them have their reasons and Rusty has used his as excuses to justify his shitty behaviour but we at least see rusty TRY to be a better person and TRY to help other people.

He fucks it up because of who and what he is but he gives enough of a fuck to put in SOME effort.

Bojack feels bad about being a fuck up and then goes RIGHT BACK to being a fuck up.

So you're going to pretend Bojack's parents and childhood were just peachy keen?

I'm just going to leave this here.
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Bo is by far shittier as a person.

Rusty is actually capable of empathy and on some level cares for those around him as actual humans, even if its a smaller part of him.

Get over it BoJack
Stop using the past as an excuse for your shitty behavior

Rusty is a cunt but have to agree with everyon here bojack is worse.Rusty didn't kill jj and he didn't accept killingers offer two things that bojack would have done no doubt.I'd we were talking pilot rusty though than he'd probably be worse than bojack if he was developed more like they originally planned. Since almost the whole thread has said bojack is worse than I'll ask a different question. Who's sadder Bill dotreve or Bojack?

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Reminder that Rusty unknowingly knocked up a 15 year old while Bojack almost fucked a 17 year old while knowing her age.

Once again, Bojack. Bill actively fights his misery, even if he isn't good at it, while Bojack basically chooses to be miserable and toxic at every opportunity.
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I don't know about that. Compare how Bill handled Bobby to how Bojack handled Chloe. Or maybe Bojack is just a better person than Bill.

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it's a redneck show about nothing and Bill is Costanza.

BoJack is fully capable of empathy and cares deeply about the people around him. He's just too broken to act on it at all.

I'd say Bill is a generally good person capable of doing shitty things, while Bojack is a generally shitty person capable of doing good things.

Bojack by far.

I'd say they're both generally shitty people capable of doing good things. Bill seems to be more selfish though, and that's fucking saying something.

Can't the exact same be said of Rusty? I mean vs a couple of old experiments/shenanigans rearing their head, Rusty's dad doesn't have to have the hold he allows it to.

Boo hoo I saw my daddy's dongle.

Rusty literally let an entire class of interns work in an extremely dangerous radioactive area because he completely put off his brother's important project while spending the budget on, what I can only assume is, booze and hookers. His kids have died so many times he started mass cloning them.

Bojack is a whiny bitch that often hurts the feelings of others and constantly lets his friends down.

How is Rusty the better person in any way? fucking Venture shills

Venture bros had more seasons its unfair to compare the two. Bojack seem more shitty because its set in more of a realistic tone then Venture Bros

Then what are you doing in this thread?

These examples are the tip of a large and incredibly fucked up iceberg.

We have a kid who since birth has been kidnapped by (and sometimes tortured by) strangers on a regular basis, had his "uncles" waking him up in the middle of the night to put a gun against his head and pull the trigger with the threat that there could be a real bullet sometime in the future, been tricked
into what would have been suicide by said honorary uncles for the sake of a prank and getting mocked for it, has been forced to kill by the age of ten(specifically with a house key), and had his father spin his unhappiness at his life into him being an ungrateful brat while acting as his therapist to insure that Rusty was to have no real psychological help whatsoever.

And that's just the shit off the top of my head, the fact that Rusty is even capable of functioning as an adult (albiet a fucked up one)is a testament to his character.

Rusty brought Hank and Dean into this world and throughout their childhood insured that they would survive everything, even death.

Nothing can undo that, and Bojack can never beat that until next season when he becomes a father and dies for the good of everyone.

If we're playing the shitty parents and childhood card, then Bojack's mother ruined him worse than Dr Venture broke Rusty.

Bojack is aware of the bullshit he causes but fails to fix it, some of that is his fault and some is the few people he's able to reach out to (Say, all the scenes where he tries asking Mr. Peanutbutter for help only to have Mr Peanutbutter leave him) He seems worse because the tone of the show embraces the consequences a little more seriously than VB does.

Rusty does worse things and rarely notices that those around him suffer. Someone mentioned the ray shield, but I'll point out his Frankenstien Monsters which were proven to be semi-intelligent and he still chose to use them for either shock troops or slave labor.

Finally, Bojack's worst deeds are being given a choice and making the wrong choice. Rusty went out and found the soul of an orphan to power the joy can. Its not like its siphoning the soul of an orphan on accident. Rusty left the house. Found an orphan. And he didn't even use all of it.

>Bojack almost fucked a 17 year old while knowing her age.

Let's be reasonable here: Wouldn't you? Especially considering the circumstances? She looked like the only woman he ever genuinely loved.

If anyhing he deserves respect for not going through with it.

You can't really use shit like the joy can to compare against Bojack too much though because in Ventureverse that shit be bad but its just par for the course.

Everyone, including the good people do any number of crazy over the top things of dubious morality because that's just how people are there.

The shit you'd actually be able to compare is how they react to certain situations and how they treat the people close to them and in this case Bojack is definitively worse than Rusty who is capable of owning up to shit and is legitimately trying to get better(and very slowly succeeding at it).

It's legal (as pointed out by said 17 year old), your entire life has pretty much been one long mistake, you've been on a temporary escape for too long, going from lots of sex to no sex at all and living in a house boat in someone's driveway, and the 17 year old came back to YOU after you told them to fuck off.

Is it really that bad?

>Rusty does worse things and rarely notices that those around him suffer. Someone mentioned the ray shield, but I'll point out his Frankenstien Monsters which were proven to be semi-intelligent and he still chose to use them for either shock troops or slave labor.

Yeah, but most of them were bad guys that tried to murder him and his family including a Monarch henchman and one of the evil Scooby/Groovy gang members.

>Gas leak

every time

Rusty was given PTSD before he hit puberty, which was constantly reinforced with worse trauma.

Bojack was just convinced he was unlovable unless he was applauded by others, and the only solution to life is to never look back.

>Can't the exact same be said of Rusty?

Did Bojack's parents make him kill a guy with a house key when he was ten?

No they where just neglectful drunk assholes

One could say the same thing about having a terrible life and suddenly having the opportunity to become a highly successful super villain.

You have all the excuses, to do so (shitty past, psychological issues), your twin brother that came out of nowhere and made a joke out of you just by existing would be your arch enemy. You would finally be respected as a villain after a lifetime of mockery, facilities are being run, men have been hired to work for you, everything is ready to go. You could take revenge on the world and nobody would really blame you. All you have to do is sign.

Rusty said no. And that's the difference between him and Bojack.

Yeah, no shit rusty is a better person (besides the whole human/nothuman thing). Rusty has a family and friends. Bojack is a whiny bitch. That's about it.

In that situation, no.

>No they where just neglectful drunk assholes

his dad wasn't even that bad. At worst, he turned Bojack into a womanizer.

Even though Rusty doesn't get laid nearly as much as BoJack (probably only twice since the series started), he's got something Bojack will never have.

Talent.

He's got a knack for invention, but it's just been buried and swamped by years of trauma and abuse.

Bojack's good at nothing really. His fortune and successes have mostly been due to extremely good luck and being propped up by people stupid enough to believe in and love him. Even though Rusty couldn't help but inherent his dad's fortune he earned his current one to some extent by choosing to spare his fratricidal brother instead of having Brock murder him.

I love Rusty more.

Rusty had the worse childhood.
>forced to kill people
>rusty's law has to exist for a reason
>scientific guinea pig
>strangled by one of your dad's horrifying androids
>no friends his own age, no normal socialisation
>bullied relentlessly by muscular, charismatic grown men who are responsible for his well-being

Bojack was subject to pretty severe emotional, verbal and possibly physical abuse.

In terms of their patterns of behaviour, they're very similar.

>both tried to sleep with an underaged girl
In Rusty's defence, he says he "didn't card her", suggesting he didn't know her age. Although, given that she was the president of a cartoon fan club, you think he would have been able to figure it out. At least he tried to take responsibility and it's implied pays child support for Dermott.

We don't know what Bojack would have done in a comparable situation but the recent season finale implies that Bojack paid for abortions, but never checked up on them and therefore never paid support.

>both are addicts
Rusty is less of an addict than Bojack, who frequently blacks out.

>both are emotionally distant
>both are self aggrandising jackasses with self esteem issues

Overall, I think it's really hard to pit them against one another, because their universes have such different baselines for morality (the OSI would not fly in Bojack-verse). However, given their similar behaviours and Rusty's substantially worse abuse, I would argue he's morally superior to Bojack.

.....but it's a pyrrhic victory.

The great tragedy of Rusty's childhood is that it wasn't all bad. He had some fun, he had a few laughs, and there were moments where he couldn't help but admire the psychotic men who dragged him around on horrible adventures:

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So he can't just fully hate the old Team Venture or his dad.

Bojack's parents were just horrid.

>WASN'T ALL THAT BAD

Dude, Rusty was forced to commit murder when he was 12.

Rusty was kidnapped repeatedly by both supervillains and laymen.

Rusty must've had a serious medical condition and been in extraordinary pain that went untreated for a substantial period of time during one such kidnapping hence "Rusty's Law".

Rusty's father showed no regard for his health (ie. Rusty's tinnitus, Rusty being strangled, Rusty being used to test the safety of theme park tides).

Rusty's father denied him outside psychiatric help to gaslight him into feeling guilty for not being happy with his neglect/abuse.

Rusty was publicly humiliated (ex. 16th birthday) by his parental figures.

Rusty was exposed to sexuality inappropriate for a child (ex. literal prostitutes at his 16th brithday party).

It's implied Rusty was forced into his career ("I'm not even sure if I want to be a super scientist", creative writing class in university).

It's established that Jonas didn't take Rusty to a proper medical doctor when he was sick.

Rusty's childhood was horrific. Even in the scene you post Rusty acknowledges that while Jonas was a horrendous father, he was a good scientist.

Most people from abusive childhoods can't fully hate their abusers.

Bojack's childhood wasn't in the same league.

Rusty would be waken up in the middle of the night with Action Man pointing a gun at his face. He was constantly kidnapped and one time his dad just straight up forgot him. Rusty had one of the worst childhoods imaginable.

Rusty is neglectful/ignorant of what us important and can get people into way worse situations. Hell he may even whine about the shit later. Bojack is a major asshole and comes up with nothing but excuses. The real difference between the two is that Bojack does a lot of intentional stuff not thinking about the consequences of his actions until later on (Rusty does this too but it is more in a "who cares?" situation so it's bad but not as bad going out your way to be a dick) then the cycle resets as he learns no lesson which is why he has caused more damage than most people in either shows. Maybe Bojack early s3 was better than rusty but goddamn he went down fast.

Why this show is pupolar here now?

>Bojack's good at nothing really. His fortune and successes have mostly been due to extremely good luck and being propped up by people stupid enough to believe in and love him.
Even then he barely had success. The movie yes that was a string of fortune but other than that he was on some full house level sitcom and that was that, his other show tanked and he was living off Horsin Around from cancellation until where the show starts.

since it seems rusty is the better person the Bojack, what can we say about this man and Bojack?

He made Orel. He may be a shitty person, but he made Orel and I don't think there's a greater good than that besides Orel himself.

Mr. Enter made a video about and all Sup Forums follow this fag.

As someone who had a parent who was shitty I get what that user is saying. I'm not even allowed to hate them, not completely. Sometimes I'll remember the moments when it was fun and happy and then feel like I'm betraying myself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bojack has never asked anyone to kill 144 random people for him.

Can you really be credited for something you did unintentionally?

Gosh user, no one is more good than God.

Bojack sucks and his show isnt as good as the Venture Brothers. Can we move on?

How about using a fucking orphan to power a desire machine lol

Come on, he didn't use the whole thing

Just you, apparently.

Rusty has killed a lot of people and not really cared. So he is the worst by far, but also more interesting given his background.

Rusty is a generally shittier person, but he's in an amoral over-the-top comic book world.