Last week it was reported that DC was spending $25 million on reshoots for the upcoming superhero team-up Justice League. However, the most curious news wasn't the cost, it was that Superman actor Henry Cavill will be reshooting his scenes with a full mustache, which will then have to be digitally removed in post-production. Now more details of the process involved have emerged.
"If we were to remove a beard [or mustache], we would have to digitally re-build the actor's face behind the hair mass," he said. "We would need to build a 3D model of the face and then shade the surface of the skin to look realistic. We would then need to track the 3D model to the movement of his head and potentially re-animate his mouth. The amount of lip animation would depend on how much of the original beard occluded his lips. We would need to paint out the parts of the beard that extend beyond his shaven face."
Fleet went on to explain that it can take up to six weeks to edit a moustache out of a one=minute clip. It is unknown how much footage Cavill needs to reshoot, but it goes without saying that many fans will be watching his top lip carefully when the film arrives in November.
Cavill himself also commented on the issue this week, with a morbid post on Instagram. He stated: "There has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache. It is not a question of IF I should shave--it is a question of how can we possibly be victorious against such a beast without bringing our own doom raining down upon us."
And this is why the Hollywood system is not only idiotic but retarded.
Dominic Powell
It might be just me, but isn't it about 100 times easier to glue on or regrow a mustache than to digitally fucking remove it?
Jordan Davis
Yes, but I guess it's in his contract for MI6 or something. Maybe they are really committed to having it look legitimate. I tell you one thing, it had better look really fucking good in that movie.
Justin Ward
Well, it's safe to assume that Superman's face looking like plastic will be just one of the many things wrong with it after being filmed by a depressed hack and then put together by a Marvel movies director.
Wyatt Morales
Mi6 is filming and likely has stronger precedence over some pickup shots for JL. Probably some dialog scenes for the latter given we're just 3 months away from WB shipping the movie to theaters.
Oliver Roberts
God the DC universe is such a mess. Reboot when.
Sebastian Edwards
Are people even against the idea of Supes having facial hair?
Brody Sanders
You don't reboot a universe that just made you some 800 million in the box office.
The difference between DC and Marvel's cinematic universes is that DC doesn't feel the need to baby their fans. They know that people are already very familiar with these characters so they jump right into the shit.
Jayden Stewart
I...don't understand Do they need to do reshoots, but he needs a moustache for another project? I really don't understand what is going on here.
Jace Rogers
I was gonna say yes but I just looked it up and he apparently had some in Man of Steel.
Parker Smith
>critizice DC >B-BUT MARVEL... Can't you have a proper discussion without spazzing out immediately?
Carson Phillips
Not to start any console wars, but Marvel already did this in the winter soldier.
The doctor in the bunker (Joe Russo) had a moustache prosthetic during regular shooting, but couldn't find it or anything that looked good for the re-shoots, so they just edited out his moustache.
He shows up in Civil War with a moustache again, though, kek.
Anthony Taylor
Meaning that it shouldn't be prohibitively expensive for any studio to just photoshop the love caterpillar out.
Aaron Murphy
I thought that was Jay at first
Caleb Johnson
Why didn't Cavill just shave? It's not like he didn't know they were filming reshoots.
Caleb Scott
>Cavill is currently filming Mission: Impossible 6, for which he has grown the facial hair. Second paragraph
Adam Perry
By contract he's not allowed to, because of the new Mission Impossible.
Jackson Stewart
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Mason Walker
No. Now fuck off.
Anthony Fisher
He's so attractive, no homo
Carson Ramirez
I want to nuzzle on his beard
Isaiah Wood
The real question is why anyone would ever wear a mustache.
Unless you're Sam Elliott or Nick Offerman, it just makes you look like a porn star. Wear a full beard or nothing at all. Nothing at all. Nothing at all.
Charles Wilson
I wonder what his prickly beard and mustache feel like against your asshole haha
Brayden Baker
Lois looks like she's about to cum from just looking at the superstache.
Parker Smith
t. dcuck
Benjamin Lopez
Jay looks like Henry Cavill's creepy cousin who really likes to hang around little kids.
Josiah Bennett
Why can't they make a fake moustache for him in MI6?
Ryder Rivera
Henry Cavill Henry Cavill If he doesn't scare you No evil thing will To see him is to Take a sudden chill Henry, Henry Cavill
Jason Long
Because he signed a contract.
Jonathan Cook
t. obsessed MCUck
Christian Collins
a contract that it has to be a natural stache?
Ayden Diaz
See what i mean? The only one bringing Marvel up is you, you obsessed, meme-posting retard. You deserve the shit DCU you got.
Adam Ward
Apparently so. Never underestimate the autism of Hollywoodians.
Christopher Torres
>establishing a universe before a team up movie is babying the fans
Ian Ward
How much would it take for someone without the resources that a Hollywood actor would have to get into that kind of shape?
Angel Barnes
>a year or two, depending on your discipline and resources.
Luke Sullivan
Yes. True fans shouldn't need that because they already have the universe in mind.
Julian White
Resources as in how much you can drop at roids and hormones
Noah Perez
looks great, reshoot all his scenes with the mustache
Wyatt Jones
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Nicholas Edwards
>studios are only marketing to "true fans" WHEW
Xavier Davis
4-6 years natty 1-2 years on gear
Samuel Taylor
Hence Wonder Woman being the most successful superhero film... EVER.
Leo Butler
>ever
Jack James
>im traveling at the speed of liiight >thats why they call me mr.fahrenheit! >im gonna make a super sonic man Out Of You!
Hudson Wilson
haha how does it feel when he kisses you haha no homo
Josiah Rivera
EVER.
Bentley Wood
>800 million in the box office That was below the number they actually wanted though
Cameron Campbell
WAY below
Noah Ward
By your logic:
>Magnificent 7: Shit set-up. I don't know these guys because there wen't seven solo movies showing me their childhoods, their personal enemies, and their growth into an iconic badass
>Lord of the Rings: same problem only worse, because we need to see movies explaining Sauron, the Wizards, the Elves, the back-history and cosmology of Middle Earth, magic, and still get solo movies for at least the fellowship
Star Wars: Same as above, only worse, because now not only do we need everything in Lord of the Rings, including ,magic(the Force), the different alien races, but also their politics, the politics of the rebellion, the rise of the Empire, the basics of space travel, and the fall of the Jedi Order.
Luke Lewis
>Star Wars: Same as above, only worse, because now not only do we need everything in Lord of the Rings, including ,magic(the Force), the different alien races, but also their politics, the politics of the rebellion, the rise of the Empire, the basics of space travel, and the fall of the Jedi Order. It should be said that the EU does have literally all of this because Star Wars was awesome about side material before Disney took over. It supports your point though because none of this was released until after the movies. Basically, there's no problem with DC doing this because they can expand upon it later if they want. Heck, Marvel does the same thing - there are some comic books that explain stuff that was left out of the movies.
Thomas Lopez
>reshoots take weeks to finish >could just have cavill shave and film all his scenes first >cavill could regrow mustache by the time reshoots are done >nah fuck that muh contract >gotta entirely reconstruct cavill's face with CGI everytime he appears on screen just to remove his beard so that he ends up looking like CLU from tron legacy because the mission impossible team couldn't delay filming his scenes for a week or two or just get him a fake mustache
the ABSOLUTE STATE
Charles King
Why should the makers of Mi6 have to compromise for some JL reshoots weeks before JLs release?
Brayden Russell
X-Men came out in 2000, before Spider-Man, Batman Begins or the Marvel Avengers bullshit dirt
Brandon Garcia
That's missing the point though. Those are team movies, not team-up movies. The point of stuff like Avengers is not just to have a team but to have separate heroes from separate films crossover and team up.
Isaiah Parker
So who decided Justice League was a team-up movie and not a team movie, you?
If they were to release a prequel about Boromir and Faramir dealing with an Orcish incursion into Gondor and it looked decent, I'd already be on my way to the theater to watch it. The same holds true for other characters I've seen in team movies.
Dominic Sanders
I think maybe this is a smokescreen to cover up a plot point about Clark.
Justin Allen
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Henry Hill
DC.
Jacob Edwards
Underrated tbqh
Ethan Morales
That's funny, because I thought the way it's put together dictates which type it is, and you, by definition, defined it as being a team movie based off the fact that if the characters aren't already established in a previous film, they are, by that same definition, appearing in a team movie.
You can't even keep your own shit straight.
Nicholas Miller
Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are all established in previous films, and JL is directly aping the Avengers.
Thomas Watson
Better question, why the fuck are they still doing reshoots? What is going on in this flick's production that they fucked up so badly that they need to reshoot it this close to release?
Elijah Cooper
What an inane waste of resources, holy shit.
Lucas Gray
Snyder left because his daughter an heroed earlier this year, so they had to call in Cuck Whedon to finish the job
Anthony Martinez
they're not
Wyatt Green
Except it's not. It's barely even the same sort of story, they're not even brought together by the government, are, in fact, actively sidestepping the government because Bruce is filling that role as recruiter and organizer, and the themes it appears to be exploring are either handled in more depth, or even totally absent from the Avengers.
For starters, they're not defining themselves based off some flippant RDJ line about avenging people. Bruce spent all of BvS chasing vengeance. The League doesn't deal in vengeance.
Austin Bennett
>having a universe in mind yea and its not zack snyders doom and gloom bullshit you faggot. just admit that dc fucked up. youre doing that thing that people do when they think their smarter for disagreeing with the general population.
Jordan Moore
Jesus Christ you're dense
Noah Nguyen
cringe
Benjamin Martin
We'll admit it when you acknowledge they were already discussing the direction the films were moving in before they even released BvS.
I think he meant the part about a dude coming through a portal to get a macguffin hidden on Earth to call in his army to conquer the planet.
Gavin Lewis
>dense Nah, I'm just not an assblasted, reductionist fanboy who thinks there's anything unique about the story that "The Avengers" told. People have been telling variations of that story as long as there have been stories to tell. The art is in the execution, the angle of attack.
Jack Green
JL is aping the Avengers as a superhero team-up movie, you plonker. >le justice leaue isn't about VENGENECE
Joseph Thomas
You still are arguing with thin air.
Joshua Hill
Oh, I'm well aware. The hypocrisy just amuses me at this point.
Christian Stewart
>just admit that dc fucked up. The only "fuckup" was cutting down Snyder's intended version of the film so that they could have more showings in theaters. People apologized when they saw the complete version and realized how much better it was.
Literally what hypocrisy? Why are you talkin about the "story" of JL like anyone gives a shit about that?
No one is claiming "JL is ripping off Avengers' plot". These films don't even have plots.
The concept of jumping in with a franchise of interconnected solo movies and a big team up movie, that is what's aping Avengers.
Don't start bringing up Universal Monsters or the usual asinine attempts at points either. You know full well after the Avengers was a blockbuster success, suddenly DC, Sony, Fox, Legendary, Universal and Hasbro even want to do the same thing.
No, Avengers did not invent "team-ups", but it is still Avengers that these studios are chasing.
Gavin White
>screencapping Polygon Are you retarded or just an idiot?
Luke Wilson
Huh?
Asher Richardson
But, but, I thought you just said it wasn't a team-up movie, but rather a team movie.
>waaaahhhh there's no plot
Speak for your own trash, faggot. DC 's already managed more organic world-building and myth arc than the MCU's managed to patchwork together with a ten-year head start and better than a baker's dozen worth of embarrassingly overt PowerPoint presentations.
Robert Cruz
I didn't say JL isn't a team-up movie.
Owen Scott
Didnt take long to cgi her stache out neither
Benjamin Garcia
Go ahead and pick your own site at random, then. They all said variations of that same shot about the same time Homecoming's trailer dropped.
Brody Morris
Yeah, except Fox preempted the MCU by nearly a decade. Let me guess - suddenly it doesn't count because they're "team" movies.
Leo Parker
Why are you intentionally acting dense?
Joseph Smith
If you can show me Forbes saying it, then maybe you'll have a point. But you can't.
Brody Baker
Why is the mustache even a bg deal. Is it really gonna shatter anyones immersion if superman returns with facial hair after being away/ sleeping/ whatever for years ?
Gabriel Gutierrez
When a fucking mustache halts production this much, you know DC fucked up
Asher Mitchell
So just because they didn't call it the "X-Verse," it doesn't count? You might be able to recognize how obtuse *you're* being if you could look up from sucking Feige's dick so hard.
Here's the truth: early on, I was excited as hell about the MCU. Phase 1 was headed in the direction of pretty much everything I could have hoped for.
Then came the Disney buy-out
And all the spirit of the characters and anything more than the barest of lip-service to the lore and themes went right out the fucking window. The characters all became Flanderized variations on Tony Stark, who was in turn, understandably quipped-up to offset the absence of Spider-Man. All of a sudden, every last movie turned into a live-action reskin of the very worst that Pixar has to offer - shallows appeals to sentimentality, plot-driven characters, pathos, drama, and storytelling handled so superficially that you could pretty much cut and paste any character into another's film and never even bat an eye. You could practically make Disney MCU films by mad-lib.
When the DCEU took off, I was so glad, because I could tell from the outset just how radically different their approach was going to. Instead of zero-impact movie events, they're crafting an ongoing story that's held together with significantly more sinew and care than Disney's ever given us, mainly because Disney's not in the imagination business anymore. It's just marketing and cynical appeals to the lowest common denominator from here on out. I have never in my life seen a studio so eager to produce mere product, nor a public so willing to have every meal at McFranchise.
If you'd like, I'm willing to give you a chance to "BTFO" yourself. It only seems fair.
Carter Butler
If they're intercutting reshoots with scenes they already have that wouldn't work
Joshua Walker
why would the X-Men films count as a crossover teamup?
Bentley Lopez
Cringe.
Nolan Baker
>long, heartfelt post >Your response: "Cringe." I wonder if your mother is as ashamed of you as I am.
Adrian Smith
CRINGE
Aiden Long
Don't you have preschool in the morning?
Ethan Lewis
It would be easier to add a mustache to the stuff they already shot than cg it off though. Not sure why they just don't do that. Though obviously they have almost unlimited resources so they probably just said fuck it.
