I have a question I'd like to ask to as an opinionated group as possible:

I have a question I'd like to ask to as an opinionated group as possible:
If someone takes the work a writer/artist is trying to generate revenue from (and I don't just mean one or two pieces. I mean their entire catalogue), be it someone of note or a low-level hack, and posts it in a single location online where anyone can access it; do you believe that damages the writer's/artist's revenue stream?

Well duh.

Yes.
I mean, it won't stop me from downloading it if I really want it, but yes.

Generally yes but if it's out of print no

Yes but it also creates more advertising for said individual.
In the end it probably hurts a little more than it helps though. Someone would have to seriously analyze some properly gathered data for a real conclusion to be reached.

Yes

I still participate in storytimes for things people can just buy though i just purchase them beforehand.

I think storytimes for comics not yet on comixology probably help drum up hype for them to be uploaded next though.

I'd pay for your stuff if everything that looked interesting didn't devolve into everybody growing huge and muscular for no reason

You know, I don't know.

There is always this threshold between free and the smallest denomination of money. There is alot more people that will get something for free then people who would pay for something even when the price is inconsequential. Although I have only really contemplated in the context of video game piracy which is different than a catalog.

I suppose it might make a difference. Yeah, there has to be a percentage that will pay if they can't pirate and not feel strongly about either option.

Then there are inherent values and other complications like if the artist was dead and his works were rare, Hardiman for example. This would mean that the works are worth more because of finite pieces and at the same time should be circulated more in order to preserve the work as much as possible.

Love your comics btw. Are you going to continue battle bunnies sometime?

Furries are going to download your horribly proportioned freak porn no matter what you do, Jollyjack. either pursue legitimate forms of art or deal with the smut peddler life that you've chosen.

Don't you have a patreon? Unless your entire fan base are underage brony autists you should be able to rake in money that way.

Actually I've pirated all of your lewd work off AnonGTS

>as an opinionated group as possible:
Aww thanks op.

>Are you going to continue battle bunnies sometime?
As soon as I have the time. Same with Sequential Art. I'd rather be working on that than the smut, DESU.

"DESU"? I didn't type that....

Does it? Perhaps.
It certainly means that those who view it through such routes did not contribute to that revenue stream to do such.

However, it is a fallacy to say that those people represent a lost transaction.

This has been shown by the music industry. With the shut down of Napster, record sales actually dropped.
Even as they bemoaned piracy, their profits continued to rise.

Piracy, of the digital variety, -can- cost sales. Obviously.
However, the majority of people want to support the people who create things they enjoy. As seen with Napster, people are more likely to -try- something for free, than to pay for an unknown quantity. (And a lot of albums, even with radio-play singles, are an unknown quantity. Often, the singles are the only worthwhile tracks.)
And it stands apart from actual theft because a physical product costs money to create and sell. While IP costs money to initially "create" but has gotten massively easier to reproduce "create" to the point where purely digital goods have a virtually zero reproduction cost.

Similarly, artists who tease image packs... well when they turn up on various distro sites, they're often not worth the asking price.

If you create, create for the love of the creation, or set up a voluntary pay scale, (of which there are dozens now a days.) this allows new people to find your work and judge its value, and then if they find it worthy to give what they feel worthwhile toward its propagation.

Are you ever going to continue 'How To Play...'?

Many things were added to the word filter recently do to rampant overuse.

the pop cultural abridgment of family and the acronym for To Be Honest chief among them.

Welcome to Sup Forums.

For a site with a reputation for anarchy, there are an awful lot of petty rules.....

Its more Libertarian than Libertine.

Such things only tend to crop up after massive and prolonged acts of forced memery.

That depends on so many fuckin' things. Right off the bat, though, if you're giving your stuff to people and you're not getting paid -- probably there's room for improvement in your business model.

Unfortunately our society doens't much value just artistic skill. You'd have to be in the few top percentiles, and Jack, that you are not.

have you tried gamer comics? Or history comics?

JJ, Im curious, how old are you (an estimate if you're not willing to give out an exact number), and what do you do for a living besides drawing webcomics and smut?

When was the last time you visited our neck of the woods, Jack? Many things have changed. For instance, Moot is dead and some jap jew now runs the place. He's the one who implemented the word filter.

>You'd have to be in the few top percentiles, and Jack, that you are not.
Oh, I agree, there!

>what do you do for a living besides drawing webcomics and smut?
Nothing. I have some large scale projects in the works that the smut currently finances. Once complete, they will hopefully become a new source of revenue, but I find I have to work more and more on the smut these days to make up for increasing loses, so progress is slow.

How much (average or estimate) are you making on the smut?

I assume the smut must pay well enough for you to live off of it? That or you're just drawing a lot of smut.

Well, while you're here I may as well say I did like the pic of my waifu you drew forever ago.

I make enough to EXIST on, and that's through drawing all day, every day, and having to reduce the attention I give other things, like my webcomic.
Basically, the numbers say I'm tredding water. I'm not drowning, but I'm not going anywhere.

Who doesn't like Felicia? :D

That is, unfortunately, the status of everyone not in the financial sector for the last decade.

I'm gonna be brutally honest with you, I don't give a fuck about whatever project you're doing, I'm here for the smut. Your art or writing isn't good enough to entice me for a serious project, but your porn is alright, and again being honest, I say that because you appeal to my fetishes in a way not many others do. If your porn was more vanilla I probably wouldn't give it a second look.

I mean you can use things like ads to let people see all your shit for free while still getting some revenue, but most people use adblock for porn because porn sites typically have the most intrusive and downright annoying ads of any website. So if you could get advertising you know won't have things like popups or sound playing that would incentiveize people to not use adblock for your shit.

That and Patreon, just about every two-bit smut peddler has one nowadays.

So (I don't know anything about Patreon so this might not work) in theory a decent way to do this is

>Make Patreon site with full galleries
>Anyone can use it without needing a login, though there's ads
>Patreon supporters can use it as normal with no ads
>Patron supporters above a certain good goy threshold can get some small rewards

Which is a somewhat standard way a lot of sites host shit as it is now anyways.

This in combination with Commissions being hosted there too (Assuming the Commissioner wants it available to the public) should make at least a somewhat decent amount of money, since people who like the gallery might want to buy something and having everything available would be decent advertising to sell Commissions.

Depends on the artist's skill, his subject matter, his audience, and and his popularity.

This makes me curious as to how much smut you're drawing per day.

Not to be mean, but your art style isn't exactly complicated, and I feel like you've been drawing long enough that you should be able to bust out a girl in 15-20 minutes tops.

How much are you selling a piece on average and how long are you taking on each one?

And maybe at this point you should consider a writer.

Or maybe you're spending to much time on research/reference for your smut/projects, and should take some time to organize your reference folder so it's more easily accessible for faster search.

So you're drawing smut.

Why haven't you crossed over to porn. It's not like we all don't know you have fetishes and shit, and it's not like we mind it at all.

I'm sure if you started catering to some fetishes and furry fursona commissions you would probably make more of a killing.

I remember a few years back somebody mentioning Dmitrys was doing pretty well in terms of his fetish porn art, but then again that man paints way to well digitally to be doing fucking fetish porn.

And I know your large scale project is all hush hush and shit, but how large are we talking about.

Is this a personal solo man project or are you working with others?

and also maybe you should take some time to do some nice colored fanarts and start selling some nice poster/prints of it. Spend some time busting them out and then have a revenue that doesn't take you any more time since you just have to get them printed and sent off afterwards repeatedly whenever people want em.

>Not to be mean, but your art style isn't exactly complicated, and I feel like you've been drawing long enough that you should be able to bust out a girl in 15-20 minutes tops.
Yeah, I could fart out a hasty image using some default pose that I have in my head, but there's a little more to it than you think. With a comic, you have the script (yeah, even my crappy comics have a script), then you have to rough out the pages, THEN you progress to the finished image that people see. Takes me a few hours to do a page.

>Is this a personal solo man project or are you working with others?
Solo. It's a European/Portfolio format comic that I'm gonna try and get published.

>do some nice colored fanarts and start selling some nice poster/prints of it.
.......draw other people's characters and try to sell them? I think that might have more of an adverse effect on my finances than existing problems.

I rambled on and skipped the point I was getting at.

Yes, though not as badly as one might think. However if the artist/writer themselves puts all their work up on their own website for anyone to use, then people will go there instead because it's the most up to date.

Hey, if using quick and lazy shortcuts worked for the comics industry professionals, it can work for you.

I may work in the gutter, but I do have my pride :D

I've seen the way you draw dicks, I'd take pride in that too.

Prude can pay the bills for only so long. I'm just an amateur drawfag, but even I know the value od swallowing my pride in times od need. I don't particularly care for drawing FotMs, but twice i did a Judy Hopps image and it raked in new followers like magic.

That's why you go full pander to the furry dollar. 99% are too stupid to pirate and can't wait to throw away that IT tech/autism cash they sleep on.

I don't know what to tell you then.

I have a few friends that are professional concept artists working in the video game and movie industry. They paint out fully rendered colored pieces of commercial artwork in 1-3 days time while using minimal photo texturing/cutting.

I've seen storyboard artists bust out 25-35 panels of clean and clear pieces of art with great angles, lighting, and excellent proportions/gestures of the characters within an hour.

And you know damn well it's not a matter of them being "geniuses" or "talented". Any professional artist worth their salt will tell you it's 1% talent and 99% hard work.

Your style is simple enough that you should be able to draw it without roughing them out and done confidently enough in one go.

At this point, for the sake of your career, future, and personal growth as an artist, you need to put aside those large scale projects, save up some money doing smut, and take a sabbatical on earning dosh.

Take a month or two just grinding your art until you can just draw characters confidently that aren't static and mundane within 5-10 minutes. It's completely possible if you're willing to bleed for it during those few months and don't fucking dick around. Maybe take a life drawing class (again) while your at it to refresh your knowledge of the human anatomy and how the proportions and gestures are.

But from what I'm gleaming from what you're telling us, it seems like you're operating at a very poor capacity.

Your art style shouldn't take you a few hours to do a page even after doing a script and roughing+paneling. You need to hone your craft more as an artist instead of trying to find other ways to gain revenue on your current skill level and set. If this is what you actually want to do for the rest of your life it is WORTH it right NOW to spend some time and improve your skill and speed before trying to reach higher.

Suffer now and Benefit later, or just Suffer slowly for a very long time and get nowhere

>do you believe that damages the writer's/artist's revenue stream?

Sometimes.
>a low-level hack,
For lesser known authors, who aren't well known or accessible to likely customers, it's a plus.

I mean nobody would know about Matt Furie, or Megahex if it wern't for the 'chans, as a simple example.

But even then, once people who like your shit know about you, you need to be able to capitalize on it. Say, Pulsheen, which gave all their comics away, and made prety much all their money on merch licencing. Or Patreon. Ad rev is usually so small that it takes a lot of rich traffic for things to work out that way.

If you're well known in your field and to your potential customers, it's generally a minus. There are still notable exceptions here. For example, quite a few comics are glorified movie pitches. Another example is if your shit successfully has unexpected crossover appeal, and expands the artist's to money they wouldn't have had access to.
Say, Zone working on Skullgirls.

I don't know your shit either pron or otherwise. BUt if you're already a pillar of the furry community, on the dog dicked lips of every fursuited freak, your strategy is different, because your new shit and your old shit might not have crossover synergy or appeal. Take that guy who made those Clarissa comics. His most famous work is about child molestation and misery.

Also consider that above a certain level of fame or interest, SOMEBODY will pirate your shit and hand it out, no matter what, so it becomes a level playing field again. If no one cares enough about your shit to even pirate it, the project probably won't be a success.

The petty rules are for entertainment value.

and also if your scripts is taking you longer then 15-30 minutes, you should just try to find a writer to cohesively map out your ideas/notes for you instead.

You can probably easily find somebody online to do it for free as long as you give them credit. There's a plethora of people that are just doing shit for free all the time, like the mods/janitors on here and all the translators/scanners for mangas.

TINY HEADS

Do you yourself draw, or are your opinions based on what others have said?

Personally when that happens more people that didn't know about me before tend to come and pay me anyway. Either people want to support you or they dont.