Did everyone hate Empire when it came out like everyone hates TFA, and R1 now?

Did everyone hate Empire when it came out like everyone hates TFA, and R1 now?

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Yes. Star wars always is hated when it's new

Empire Strikes Back was not very well liked by critics and fans at its release because of how dark it was. The ending too put a sour taste in peoples mouths too


R1 is generally accepted outside Sup Forums.

I'm old, this is total bullshit. Everyone thought it was awesome, there were lines to see it, and every kid in America wanted that AT-AT toy.

Empire is a worse movie than New Hope, that's indisputable.

What sort of fuckery is this?
The first one was doubted, until it happened, and the third had some production problems, but empire was pretty much an easy win

Same here. I was ten years old when TESB came out (the perfect age, IMO), and it was genuinely a huge deal. I bought the Topps cards, the Kenner figures, the whole deal.The only thing that upset me was the fact that it ended on a cliffhanger, but kids aren't known for their patience.

>I was ten years old when TESB came out

geezer alert

>What sort of fuckery is this?
Reality. Look at archives. ESB only got popular with fans in the 90's.
>but empire was pretty much an easy win
Not in 1980.

>The Empire Strikes Back received mixed reviews from critics upon its initial release.
Even StarWars.com tells you it was mixed: starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-empire-strikes-back-original-reviews

You'll be my age someday, boy!

What was it like growing up in the late 70s and the 80s user?

Critics have always hated Star Wars and said it's just juvenile nonsense. They're right.

>Did everyone hate Empire when it came out like everyone hates TFA, and R1 now?

When each of the three early ones came out everyone loved them. All of them.

We weren't jaded then.

Imagine being a child when there were no video games, cable TV, or internet. We literally had to go outside and hang out with our friends for entertainment, then watch 70s sitcoms at night with the family. Yet we thought it was fun.

Oh, and comic books. Lots of comic books. I still believe that capeshit is mostly marketed to us Gen X'ers with money and nostalgia to spare.

Not if I kill myself first, bitch.

Then came the 80s. Seems like it was 1982 when I remember video games like Pac-Man really taking off. Everyone bought an Atari console and thought that stuff was the shit (which, in hindsight, it kind of was). Our family was too cheap to get cable TV until the late 80s, but whatever. When we finally DID get cable, I remember watching Playboy TV's scrambled channel after everyone had gone to bed. That was pretty much the only porn outlet most kids had (other than the mysterious old Playboy/Hustler magazines that we'd find in the woods).

You kids today don't know how good you have it.

Wow, I guess I should consider myself lucky compared to you but honestly that sounds kind of comfy. My dad described growing up in the 70s as having a slower and more intimate pace than today, kind of like camping compared to today's "autobahn" pace as he described it. Today's constant entertainment flow can be great, no doubt, but sometimes I think the magic gets lost and that things felt a lot more enjoyable and genuine back in your day.

People thought The Phantom Menace was awesome too

You sound older than me.
How does that make you feel?

Cause I feel like shooting myself now :?

I guess. Like, some of my fondest memories are from when our family would travel to our cabin in the north/woods and spend a week there in the summer. The cabin literally had no TV, either. But just exploring the woods and whatnot was pretty entertaining. And when I'd get bored with all that, I'd read some of my comics.

It's hard to imagine kids today being able to do any of that without experiencing withdrawal pains from their phones, 'net, etc. But I guess it's all relative.

I've been somewhat fortunate...I've aged well and still attract women much younger than I am, so I feel like I've cheated Father Time compared to my badly-aging peers, so...so far, I don't get depressed about getting older. I know that time will catch up with me eventually, but at least I won't be alone in that regard.

I guess I have something to look forward to

It's pretty overrated.

No, everyone was complaining about it almost immediately.

Not to sound like a sagely grandpa, but a really great thing about getting older is you genuinely don't give a shit about a lot of stuff that stressed you out to no end when you're younger and feel pressured to accomplish this or that. So there's much less anxiety and worry in that regard.

He just thinks because he saw that one video of fans raving about it after having seen it (also after having lined up for fucking weeks mind you) that it's the definitive consensus for fans.

Literally no one over the age of 5 was thinking that.

This. ESB also made way less money than Star Wars did on its initial release. It wasn't hated, but a lot of people were disappointed.

Another oldfag here, this post is bollocks and the poster is clueless. Please desist from posting unless you know what you are talking about.

Like said, we loved it and wanted all the toys.

>look at archives
Fuck off, you idiot. OP asked about "everyone" not critics.

The only thing that people hated about TESB was that they would have to wait another three or so years before the question of whether Vader was lying or not was answered.

Cracked or Mad Magazine had a parody of TESB and the ending of the comic had people standing up and shouting in the theaters, "What?! I have to wait until the next movie to find out?! What a rip off!"

But the AT-ATs, the music (Imperial March), the exciting light saber battles, better voice acting from James Earl Jones, and pretty much everything else had people going wild for the film.

At the time, it probably was not as well regarded as the original Star Wars film because TESB did not tell a complete story. It was only after the movie became wide available on tape, laser disc, DVD, etc. and was available for repeated viewings by people that its superior script was recognized.

That and the fact that its original audience matured and was more able to appreciate certain elements in the script.

>critics
A lot critics are nothing but paid shills. Anybody remember Joel Siegel? That guy was always available to provide a positive soundbite for really lousy movies. "The feel-good movie of the summer!"

There were complaints, but people were optimistic somewhat because there were more movies to come. Attack of the Clones killed that hope.

No they didn't. Unless they were children like this user says:

Because it was?

I almost walked out of the theater.

Go to bed, son. Your parents probably weren't even alive in 1980.

I'm an oldfag and I'll back that up. Literally every human being I knew saw it and was talking about it enthusiastically. It's still the best-received Star Wars since the first one in '77, in some ways more so. The advertising and merchandising was insane. TFA and R1 will always be what they are now- shit.

Personally I like TPM a lot, but its reception was mixed from the get-go. TESB was not only equally anticipated, but it actually delivered. It played well with all ages and backgrounds and did not disappoint, apart from the cliffhanger ending.
>I literally didn't exist back then but I read bullshit on the internet and applied modern movie critique/assessment to a wildly different time and cultural climate

...

Youre the same age as my dad and Im in my mid 20s. How the fuck did you end up here. You were in your 30s when this site was created by a 14 year old.

>everyone hates TFA

That's not true, though. Literally everyone loved TFA besides a subset of hardcore autists on the internet, most of whom are extreme preqeuelbabbies therefore their opinions don't mean shit

I think it would be fairer to say that everyone *liked* it, in a 2015 'shit didn't suck' kind of way. Most agreed it was a well made, entertaining film, but it was also accompanied by a depressing lack of enthusiasm, and the only debate it encouraged was comparisons with its older, better prequels.

tfa is better than return of the jedi though, rotj is prequel tier bad outside of the space battle and throne room stuff

I was 12 when TPM came out and enjoyed it, though I can see its faults now. AotC I never liked, and RotS I largely glazed over apart from the initial space battle when Palpatine was centre of stage.
TFA was designed by committee and you can feel it, I wasn't the only person put off by this day one.

kill yourself

Having a Star Wars film every fucking year is going to cause burn out in normies. Maybe not in capeshit because each one is a different enough character, but remember that three years of hype build up had people really excited even for the prequels.

This is really weird to me cos I'm another oldfag who was 17 when TPM came out, I'd grown up watching the OT on video repeatedly and the idea of a new Star Wars movie was literally like the second coming of Christ. Me and my friend saw it at the first release, immediately got tickets and went to the next showing, and ended up seeing it something like 9 times in a week.

But I have absolutely no recollection of whether I actually thought it was good or not. It's like I was just in shock and complete denial that new Star Wars could be anything other than the greatest thing in history.

The Vader Luke fight is much better in Jedi, Battle Over Endor is the goat space battle in the series, Jabbas Barge is great.

The only parts that are truly awful are the scenes in the Ewok tree village and Im mainly talking about the C3PO scenes. The Ewoks were fine in the forest scenes.

I was 11 when it came out and it was dogshit and everybody thought so. I was so bored throughout all the movie except for the race. I went in to see Darth Maul and got Jar-Jar Binks instead.

Why does it matter what the writers say? The rebels were legitimately the bad guys in Rogue One.
Back to Sup Forums with you.

It says audience too. Nice job pretending to read

just asked my parents who were both 25 when this came out

>mom
>I liked the first one a lot more, since everything about it was new. I remember thinking the twist with Darth Vader being Luke's father was really dumb, but the movie wasn't bad overall.

>dad
>I liked that they took it in a more serious and dark direction compared to the first one. I was never a really big fan of these movies in general though.

This.

People need to keep in mind there was no internet back then at all but I remember the shops being packed, and I do mean packed with toys (I'm talking 1/4 to 1/3 of toy shops being star wars shit). Star wars being all over the news, posters everywhere, everyone I knew in school talking about it.

There was really no negativity from anyone, it was all hype.

The only time negativity started to surface was after the prequels came out.

>why does it matter what the writers say

is it fuck

>dude jar jar binks meme lmAO

he's in the film for like 5 minutes

People were blown away by it and the ending. It was a total mindfuck that completely changed everything you thought you knew about Star Wars.

At the time of TESB/ROTJ's release, larger toy stores would dedicate entire *floors* to Star Wars. It was crazy.

>Mad Magazine
>Han in Carbonite
>omg he looks like creamed spinach
>Oh wait that is creamed spinach

>itt: apparently kids buying toys and talking about a movie at school means universal love for a movie

>and talking about a movie at school
it does tho

The same thing happened around the release of TPM. There were seperate lines for TPM and OT toys, so they filled up entire sections of the store. In general, merchandise for TPM was impossible to escape. Fucking everything had a picture of a character from the movie on it. You couldn't even eat fried chicken without having to look at Jar-Jar Binks.

I think it's the professional critics who panned the movie because George Lucas was an outsider to Hollywood, he financed the movie himself and most of the revenue was going to his pocket. Hollywood studios hated him so it's natural their lapdogs barked. It's the same lapdogs that keep selling Disney dogshit as masterpieces.

Actually read the reviews. They're mostly along the lines of:

>Star Wars was a great, fun, adventure movie, the sequels is trying to be a dark serious drama, it doesn't make sense.

It's not like they were shitting on the movie for nothing, they were genuinely confused that the ESB tried to do something different. And Lucas didn't entirely finance the movie himself, he ran out of money in the middle of filming and had to take out a huge loan from Fox.

...

It seems they were desperately looking for a reason to shit on the movie, sounds like RLM. Oh wait, it's different? I don't like it, I want more of the same crap over and over like every other Hollywood sequel.

No because it's good and back then Star Wars wasn't a tired husk like it is now. ESB was made because George wanted to continue his story. TFA and R1 were made to bring in the cash.

>the end result is ALWAYS what the creators intended it to be.
>implying this very same thing didn't happen with George Lucas
>being this new
Star Wars is infamous for having a "creator's message" and what the films/media actually portray.

Bullshit, my dad always said ANH and ESB were 2 of his favourite experiences in cinema in his life along with Blade Runner and The Exorcist and that nobody has seen anything like it before back then.

It was a little different, TPM merchandising went utterly overboard, everyone wanted in and paid through the nose, it was an insane bidding war. Then the movie came out, the merchandising either sat on shelves or was sold off cheap while lots of companies lost a lot of money. TESB's merchandising started off a little more rationally but grew and grew and grew throughout the year. AT-AT was the most in-demand toy of xmas '80.

That explains why Disney was so eager to bring back AT-ATs both in Rogue One and TLJ. I'm wondering how well the new toys are selling. Is there numbers out there?

>all these pensioners on Sup Forums
Will I be on Sup Forums after I'm 40 too?

Are you guys retarded? All of the original trilogy movies were huge hits at the box office. My mom said she waited in line for hours to see Empire and Return of the Jedi and there was a ton of hype about it.

Grandads of Sup Forums. Do you reminisce of the good old days of cinema while your carers are wiping your ass?

Basically, it's people who weren't even alive then repeating stuff they've read on Sup Forums.

Jar Jar Binks is number 17 on the list of Star Wars character theme time, with the lion's share of it being in the Phantom Menace. More than Lando, more than Mace Windu, more than Jabba the Hutt, more than Dooku, or Darth Maul, or General Grievous, or Boba Fett, or Admiral Ackbar.
Also, if you're pretending he was the only bad thing about the Phantom Menace, you're kidding yourself.
>the fat gungan that kept doing the bl-blib-blib-blib-blib thing, Boss Nass
>child anakin flying a fucking starship and destroying a cruiser
>midichlorians
Not to mention the bad CGI, the horrible writing, the abysmal acting from everyone but Obi-Wan, and so much more!

screen time, sorry

Yeah man, remember the dank memes from 1980s Sup Forums? We endlessly discussed star wars and had a billion generals.

Shut the fuck up faggot give me your address ill fuck you up call the cops I don't give a fuck

You sound like you're 12 years old.

No its people larping as 40 year olds on an anonymous anime board

Completely incorrect. Star Wars was released in a dark time of Hollywood movies like Chinatown, apocalypse now and godfather. It was fun, adventurous and hopeful which is why it was so loved. So esb being dark was a major step back to critics and audiences.

>recorded archives are wrong
>my parents being children are right!

TESB is nothing like those movies whatsoever. It was and remains a hugely commercial family movie to the core. Movie critics were immensely more pretentious and highbrow back then. I mean, you really have no idea how much. Movies were still just about being made for that kind of critic, and cinema wasn't the braindead commercial shitshow for teenagers it's evolved into today. Those critics were less fond of TESB because all of Lucas' cute Ford/Hawks/Kurosawa references weren't so novel any more. Mainstream audiences loved TESB.

reminder that Shatner posts on Sup Forums and he was 60 when moot made Sup Forums

>no one liked it
>no one
youtu.be/XSaaa_OBkzw

>all the nerds on the internet dislike the force awakens therefore everyone dislikes the force awakens

another oldfag chiming in...it was wildly beloved and the reveal was a shocker. To this day about as close to a PERFECT movie as you will find

Nice source

>where is a condensed timeline of 37 years of cultural paradigm shifts on the internet

don't be ridiculous

you didn't answer to 'what r u doing here' question old man

Of course it was a shocker. The character voiced by the award winning based
nigger turned out to be white.

That's actually a really, really good twist, racism and SJW shit asside.

Yet another oldfag chiming in.

I remember the line going outside and around the building when I was a kid. It was insane.

And NO ONE said they hated it at all.

>There is no sense that this ebullient, youthful saga is running thin in imagination or that it has begun to depend excessively in its marvelous special effects — that it is in any danger, in short, of stiffening into mannerism or mere billion-dollar style.
>The Empire Strikes Back is not a truly terrible movie. It’s a nice movie. It’s not, by any means, as nice as Star Wars. It’s not as fresh and funny and surprising and witty, but it is nice and inoffensive and, in a way that no one associated with it need be ashamed of, it’s also silly. Attending to it is a lot like reading the middle of a comic book. It is amusing in fitful patches but you’re likely to find more beauty, suspense, discipline, craft and art when watching a New York harbor pilot bring the Queen Elizabeth 2 into her Hudson River berth, which is what The Empire Strikes Back most reminds me of. It’s a big, expensive, time-consuming, essentially mechanical operation. The Empire Strikes Back is about as personal as a Christmas card from a bank.

This. There is only so much you can do with a Star Wars movie. Basically epic space battles and epic lightsaber battles. People will be sick of this crap by 2019.