Paul Dini discusses Suicide Squad, Harley Quinn and the DC Extended Universe

When asked what he thought of Suicide Squad, Dini stated “What I really loved about Suicide Squad is you saw little vignettes that spoke to the heart of DC Comics and DC Comics fans, like The Flash taking down Boomerang or the stuff with Batman and Deadshot or Batman and Harley on the car. That’s great stuff and doesn’t have the whole gravitas of an origin story or a subplot or romance. You can just get right to the meat of it and that’s what I really loved about Suicide Squad. You got such a flavour of the DC universe and judging by what the audience thought, they’re right with that.”

>The conversation eventually turned to Harley Quinn and Margot Robbie’s arguably scene stealing performance. Since this was Dini’s creation and the first time she’d ever been brought to film he was very interested in how she’d be handled, but thought Robbie and David Ayer did a great job bringing her to life. “I thought Margot did a really terrific job and I loved all the nods to her origin such as the elements of Mad Love that were alluded to in the therapy session with her and The Joker, some of their relationship and of course the brief flash of her in the Bruce Timm costume as interpreted by Alex Ross in the dance sequence they did. I felt she had a really good sense of humour about capturing the character and there are moments where you see her mind is always working. She really captured the kinetic energy of the character. If anything, it proved to me that character has enough to support her own movie.”

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>Of course, one of the criticisms Suicide Squad has received is that it did not devote much time to the full extent of Harley and Joker’s toxic relationship, elements which have since been revealed to have been cut from the movie. This, however, didn’t bother Dini; “If this is the first time that a movie audience sees Joker and Harley, let’s give them a place to go from. I certainly didn’t mind that he seemed to love her and came after her, that he had this passion for her. I feel like let’s not do the whole Joker and Harley relationship in one movie. Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.”

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paul dini. isnt this the furfag who worked on tiny toons who had a sexual fetish for fifi to the point it was even mentioned in the end credits on one episode?

It's the man who wrote the best OGN of the decade.

Man that book hit a little too close to home

As i have been saying jokers relasionship with quinn can be salvaged in later films

>she gets away from him
I understand the need to do this for the jokers sake but i think give her one full movie with him then start to break them up in the next one with ivy so she can go full solo in the 3rd give it time.

you are dodging the original question by posting other works he did besides what OP asked. now, isnt this the same paul dini that wanted to fuck fifi?

Who was she user?

also

>That Emmy Scene

Oh and if she does have to leave without ivy do the hyenea thing that is pretty much the only way i can buy her leaving him without extended time away (i really do think they should make it more well known that he set the hyenas on her it made the whole her abandoning him a lot less bullshit.)

Your original question was a shitpost designed to discredit someone who likes a good movie.

I have no idea who he wanted to fuck, you probably know he did anyway. I just don't care.

Between ostrander giving his stamp of approval (kind of he still tore into the editing a bit) and dini approving of quinn can we finaly admit the movie was only kind of bad.

Your both faggots but yes
Don't Tell Anyone - Fifi Is Secretly Engaged To Paul Dini

>That Emmy Scene
I've never been so uncomfortable while reading a comic in my life.

I found it quite good.
Not a masterpiece like BvS, but really fun.

El Diablo's final form had me grinning with excitement.

>That Emmy Scene

I would want to say I won't get to that but I don't know anymore

>Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.
Needs two movies for this.

I liked it much more than MoS and BvS. The editing was a massive problem, but the actors and the little vignettes of character interaction totally worked for me. And whether you liked this version of Harley or not, Margot Robbie really was excellent. I'm glad there will be a sequel.

>And whether you liked this version of Harley or not, Margot Robbie really was excellent.
this
I'd only seen her in WOWS before this, and I didn't realize how good of an actress she is.

She really did steal the movie, and the rest of the cast wasn't bad. If they did some Sirens movie or solo with her, I'd be on board.

It's not about their girl who uses the guy, it's about the insecurities and the self loathing.
Man this book was amazing.

Sure, just like most of Sup Forums.

Of course they are gonna say they like it, otherwise DC would blacklist them.

>they can't be telling the truth no that's impossible

Does Dini ever not approve of an incarnation of Harley Quinn? Hell, the whole reason that the character stuck around like she did was because the guy insisted in putting her in everything he worked on.

or maybe they're vets who have seen dozens of adaptations and just accept that things will be different from how they did them, and also appreciate the boost in royalties

The problem with this shit is all these things are done with people who are required, either by contract, blind loyalty or unspoken "if you want to keep working with us, you know what to say", to like it. Like, shit, of course Bill Murray said he liked the new Ghostbusters movie. He was fucking in it, he had to. No one will ever be allowed to give their real opinion on something they hate barring maybe Moore because he's a crazy old coot who lives in a barn somewhere and everyone is afraid he might actually be a wizard, so they stay away.

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He's right, though. It's pure marketing.

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If they're telling the truth, then Dini really must enjoy seeing his creation being turned into a generic Hot Topic selling point with no original jokes and basically tailor made to sell t-shirts to scene kids. They are taking one of the more interesting dynamics in the Batman universe and making it safe to sell to normies. Clip off all the original shit, get rid of anything comic fans liked about her because they're nerds, fuck them, then give her a bunch of shitty one-liners people will be repeating the next day.

But her current comic self is much worse than the movie.

Denial can take you so far, senpai.

>the more simple explanation is more unlikely
wew

Her current comic self is either Nu52 garbage or being based on the movie version. DC is really in love with making bad choices. Their comics got rebooted for no reason, then written by idiots and their entire cinematic universe is just them trying desperately to copy Marvel's and failing miserably because they hire hacks like Nolan and Snyder.

Calm down, mouseketeer. DC are making more money right now so they're obviously not making wrong decisions. Their products are of higher quality too, so...

>you saw little vignettes that spoke to the heart of DC Comics and DC Comics fans, like The Flash taking down Boomerang or the stuff with Batman and Deadshot or Batman and Harley on the car
Exactly what I liked about it. You can get some great moments that feel like they're part of a rich history without having to be "built up" through five movies.

OK, so you don't read comics, but feel your opinions are somehow worth anything to the comics board?

>hacks like Nolan and Snyder.
ooff played your hand to soon m'jew

Ostrander criticised the editing just like everybody else did user.

At its core the films harley had pretty much the same personality as tas harley

Mediocre.

Could have been great, but shit editing, it was obvious Big Willy was a line counter, needes a Will Smith rap, soundtrack was jarring, Croc had no purpose and Slipknot's actor was wasted on a bit role, and the Enchantress storyline was dull and despite how cool her iriginal appearance was, the design on her weapon, true self, and brother sucked.

But...the parts that were good were REALLY good.

Thor tier as a whole, although the extended 3 hour cut could be fucking amazing. But in the shit DC Cinematic Universe so far, its easily their Captajn America 1 (fuck you all, Cap 1 is the best cape movie ever made).

Money doesn't equal better, user. They're just selling to the lowest hanging fruit. People who draw gross, furry fetish porn make tons of money from commissions. I'm talking diapers and inflation etc. etc. That doesn't mean they make good content, it means they know who the easiest marks are to get paid.

>Their comics got rebooted for no reason
They got rebooted because they fucked up and they acknowledged it.
As for written by idiots i dont know what you have been reading but most of rebirth has been great

>Money doesn't equal better, user.

When Marvel sells nearly twice as many books and has a whole dollar or two on them price wise, yes it does mean DC is doing better and Marvel is fucking up.

>Marvel sells nearly twice as many books
>DC is doing better
...Uh, user?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just pretending and not actually retarded.

These people have no obligation to say anything good about the movie. Ostrander already got his royalty check. He rarely does work for either of the big two anymore, and when he does it's because someone asked him to because his name sells books.

Same when O'Neil said he liked Iron Man, but I guess that doesn't count because his opinion aligned with yours.

Maybe it just so happens that Ostrander, Dini and O'Neil are all nice guys not jaded by years of internet hipster cynicism and are more excited to see their work and passions up on the big screen than to see some piece of kino or whatever shit you expect.

They're selling more titles but less copies of said titles, you baboon.

Well he has a point you can't just have harley go through an entire progression with the joker in one movie.
Although I sense the cut scenes had him being more abusive and her eventually going against him
The ending was the same though

That's partly true but then that's also on DC for never using her in the first place

I'm sure he's liking the uptick in residuals he's seeing for creating Harley but other than that I have a feeling he would say he didn't like this harley if he didn't like it.

When you're a famous creator, you don't really get the ability to have an opinion on anything anymore. Sure, some people still do, but it's rare. Dini is a very big name who's still making shit, so if he pissed off the wrong people he'd get in some deep shit. He'd get more money pretending he liked something than admitting he hated it.

shut up retard

Wow, you're really good at debating.

yoyoyo thanks m'dog

Does Dini even get royalities from Harley?

I thought there was some drama a while back about an interview where Dini or Timm said they don't get shit from Harley appearing in things.

I may be thinking of something else

Better than you. Repeating the same shit over and over won't make it true.

When it hasn't been disproved, yeah.

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>These people have no obligation to say anything good about the movie.
who's going to hire you if you talk shit about a film your in that is currently trying to gain sales?
You can't call a film you just work in shit because then other studios will question if you be a liability to sign on for a roll.

>not saying something good=saying something bad
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>Let’s show them have a ‘happy ending’ and go from there with the next movie by bringing in the idea he’s not the world’s greatest boyfriend and it sours and she gets away from him.”

that is a spin doctor if I ever saw one.

I liked Harley too, and while I'm not the biggest fan of this new Joker I liked their dynamics. Well, the little of them there was

Unfortunately that doesn't make up for the whole movie. But at least I can say I enjoyed the character. Hope for a better suit next time tho

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shut up retard

>Between ostrander giving his stamp of approval (kind of he still tore into the editing a bit) and dini approving of quinn can we finaly admit the movie was only kind of bad.


Why would the opinions of the original creators make me ignore the filmmaking and performance issues I had with the film?

Of course Dini loved the movie, Margot Robbie was the best part of the film and the camera loved her. She's a genuine movie star and she used all of her charisma on the screen to almost make you forget how broken of a movie it was every time she was on-screen. She even managed to make me not hate Leto Joker for a few minutes during the joyriding scene. Whatever you want to say about the costume or the makeup or whatever, seeing your creation own the screen like that must be a great experience as a writer.

But him and Ostrander liking the movie doesn't somehow negate my issues with the film. It's nice that they enjoyed it, but I still think it's a mostly terrible movie. Their opinions don't somehow change the issues I had with the film.

I don't put a lot of stock in the opinions of the original creator when it comes to adaptations fo any kind. It's a different format with a different style of storytelling, it needs its own creators to work on it and shape it into something else that works in that new format.

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>terrible
I too ADORE hyperbole. Are you perchance in london?

We're done here.

Oh user, we've been done since the first time your only rebuttal was "shut up retard". This is just shitposting now.

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last (you) btw

It's not hyperbole. i went in expecting a movie and I got nine bad music videos glued together with all of the act structure and character arcs sliced out in favor of empty style.

It wasn't even a good David Ayer movie. He's a gonzo lunatic, but at least his movies have an edge that I usually fin entertaining when it's done well. This had all of that cut out in favor of more terrible flashbacks.

BvS was an awful movie, but it was at least a movie. This felt like a half-done assembly cut of a film that was ripped off the editing rack and slapped into theatres.

I like your way of thinking, Anonymous

>BvS was an awful movie
Oh.
I have nothing more to say to you.

>Cameron is as trustworthy as Dini
epic false equivalence my man

I have no idea now bvS fanboys defend Suicide Squad.

The whole drum that they were beating was that DC was letting auteurs make their own personal visions and essentially create 150 million dollar art films, as opposed to the MCU. Then Suicide Squad is literally the exact opposite of that, a film that had any shred of personality outside of the art direction ripped out and then they defend that too, arguing that the criticisms are part of a massive international conspiracy involving hundreds of individual blogs and newspapers that would make the CIA blush.

You can't have it both ways. Either the DCEU is "le house of kino" or it's not.

I agree too, we should go rewatch the movie, and bring all our friends!

BvS was kino. SS is just a pretty good way to kill two hours.
Far from terrible.

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>action movie with no good action
>good way to kill two hours

I sure love movies that consist entirely of disconnected character vignettes set to pop music too.

Just yesterday a guy on a SS thread was saying MCU movies are so successful only because "the majority of the population isn't very intelligent"... in a thread about how successful SS is

Of course it's different people saying different things, but it does make it feel like the whole fanbase is just grasping at the most currently convenient straws. And I'm not implying SS isn't successful to whatever extent, that isn't my point

It was good. I don't understand why this and BvS get so badly shit on by critics compared with say Iron Man 2 and Thor TDW. I love Marvel but both those are dreck and have aged very badly.

Suicide Squad had problems like the entire 3rd act, Enchantress as a Power Rangers villian, Joker wandering in randomly because most of his scenes were cut, members of the sqwad other than Deadshot and Harley having no development .. Ok scratch what I was saying. It was a shite movie and deserved the critical panning.

>>action movie with no good action
We already went through this.

>the majority of the population isn't very intelligent

this is true though

not even a DC movie fan btw
look at any IQ distribution graph

I take what I read here with a grain of salt. You never know who is actually retarded or just pretending for (You)'s.

Not denying that
Point is, what's the point of gloating about how many people are enjoying SS while also claiming most people's opinions aren't trustworthy?

True that

Doesn't everyone?

I can only speak for myself, but I never enjoyed 1.jpg's bullshit or these new abortions that need to believe that SS is a flop.

I've just been baffled by the shocking idiocy of people ever since this one-two punch.(pic related)
I would honestly reverse these scores.

I feel like i'm in bizarro world.

You act as if because you work for a company, you are going to blindly like whatever they put out. You got to put on a face for the public and promote it, even if you don't like it.

My brother was working at Comic Con in Dallas for one of the vendors. He got a buddy to cover him for a few hours, so he managed to get into the Frank Miller panel. This is just his own recollection of what he told me had happened.

>go to Dallas Comic con a few months back
>Frank Miller has a panel, along with Azzarello and whoever else worked on TDKIII
>answering the usual questions from fans
>Miller loves to tell everyone how much he hates Hal Jordan
>fans having a couple of chuckles, good time
>THE question comes up
>"So, what did you guys think about BvS?"
>silence from the panel guests
>silence from the fans
>Azzarello looking at Kubert and Janson, who are either shrugging or looking in another direction
>Miller already looking more depressed than when he got the news about his cancer, head leaning down staring at the floor
>Azzarello: "Um... I liked it"
>Kubert: "Yeah, it was... cool?"
>Janson looking like he's ready to make a break for it.
>Miller: "Well, I uh, liked Batman, I thought he was pretty cool. The Batmobile was awesome. Uh, yeah"
>fans still quiet
>Janson is already out the emergency exit
>Kubert is nervously taking a sip out of his water
>Azzarello has his head down, hands to the side of his face to hide from the cameras and stares from the room
>Miller had just coughed up a pint of blood and promptly passed out on the table

>lying on the internet

>Implying Miller doesn't have cancer

>I've just been baffled by the shocking idiocy of people ever since this one-two punch.(pic related)
I would honestly reverse these scores.

And i have no idea how anyone could think BvS could be anything more then a 2 or 3 out of 10, and that's being as nice as humanly possible.

I had a great time with The Force Awakens.

Ostrander doesn't work for DC.

>I had a great time with The Force Awakens.
Seriously, no offense, but if you really hold that opinion, I don't know what to say.
As I said, bizarro world.

Obviously this image twists the times of a few things, but I think the fact that you can get close to this close to SW 4's plot at all and be called good is disgusting.

>HURRR DURRR JOKER ALWAYS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HARLEY WHENEVER HE SAW HER

You should watch BTAS and read some comics for once.

>fuck you all, Cap 1 is the best cape movie ever made)
I wouldn't put it at the top but it's up there. Definitely the best MCU movie.

>not Iron Man
Only genuine film in the MCU.

>I was only pretending to be retarded

Enjoying watching TFA isn't the same as thinking it's the hottest shit or not being supremely disappointed with its shameless lack of any sort of creativity or setting advancement.

I liked the movie when I saw it, both times. I thought it told an engaging enough story with solid enough acting. But the more I considered it the less I liked pretty much anything about the story or the plot. Rey doesn't bother me as much as it bothers others, but as a whole the story precludes pretty much anything really fun from happening between the OT and it, and sets up a universe exactly as the ending of the OT anyway, only one more like the ending of ANH.

I don't really like it overall as the foundation of the new post OT canon, but in it of itself it was fine.

The entire movie is about how the universe is obsessed with the legacy of the past. The First Order is a group of insane fanboys desperately trying to rebuild the "good old days" in the shadow of the Empire. Kylo Ren is trying and failing to become the next Darth Vader. Finn is doing his best to run away from his past while Rey is wasting her future thinking about her past. Han stops running away and has to deal with the pain of his own failed legacy. Every character with the exception of Poe and Snoke is connected to the aftershock of the original trilogy in some way.

The story cycle repeating itself made perfect sense. JJ made a Star Wars movie about the legacy of Star Wars and how hard it is to escape the titanic shadow of the original trilogy. I have no idea how people can write ten thousand words about Batman v Superman and its thematic influences but refuse to put any thought into TFA beyond Disney being the devil and Rey being a Mary Sue.

I thought the Force Awaken was absolutely fascinating. i hope in a few years the people who keep screaming about it being the end of cinema actually take a real look at it.

Yeah the joker/Harley dynamic was one of the few things I really liked. It took a long time for you to realize why a fucked up situation those two had in the cartoon, at first they were lovey sorry and ridiculous. Also I don't get what people don't get about the scene with Common. Joker wanted to fuck with someone's head and then kill them. So he put Common on a situation that he didn't k ow how to deal with to watch him squirm and then he killed him.