I think the weekend that Sorcerer and Star Wars premiered was a watershed moment for movies, and not in a good way. Friedkin, who had been batting 1000 so far, came out with his best work yet, a film focused on men working together, thinking on their feet and struggling against insurmountable odds to complete their job. It had two of the best suspense set pieces in movie history, one right after the other, and made no guarantees that its characters would be rewarded for their skill and determination. Up against this you had Star Wars, about a kid whose heritage gives him special powers, makes him superior to those around him, and lets him save the universe in the end. The weekend where Sorcerer bombed and Star Wars was a hit marked the moment studios started really infantilizing their audiences. This is a definition of a movie that couldn't be made today, and it's the movie whose undeserved failure is a huge reason for that fact.
Also, >One of the main protagonists is a straight up Muslim terrorist who bombs a building in Jerusalem in the second scene of the movie
You're not gonna get a discussion on Sorcerer here anymore user, way too unknown for the plebs who flooded this place. A few years back there was some great discussion about this and Wages of Fear, which is how I discovered them.
This movie has one of the best montage scenes ever made.
Logan Hernandez
it has a nice poster, but wages of fear is better
Gabriel Perez
Everyone on here knows what Sorcerer is, you pseud. It's always mentioned.
Mason Butler
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Andrew Bennett
I see no reason not to spread the word and get the film the notoriety it deserves
Nolan Gomez
I've still not seen it
Anthony Thomas
>wheatley >female leads
Yeah, dropped. High Rise and Free Fire were both shit movies with hollow "girl power" endings. Guarantee his version has an upbeat ending without the fatalism of Clouzot or Friedkin.
Robert Campbell
>that psychedelic mania that sets in at the last act Very similar Aguirre, the Wrath of God. I don't want to say Friedkin copied Herzog, but perhaps he was inspired? >way too unknown But even RLM knows about it.
Ayden Wilson
Sorcerer doubles checked
Evan Lopez
>i'm a pleb And your point is?
Jason Moore
I am watching it now and I am sorry
Gabriel Bell
I've seen it mentioned in lists and shit but not discussed in a long while, figured it was kinda forgotten You mean this or the flashback sequence at the end? Both are pretty fucking impressive youtube.com/watch?v=CbkGdKU4MnY
Adam Jones
I can see a lot of Herzog's influence on the movie, not so much in the psychotic scene at the end - that part seemed like trademark Friedkin, right down to his heavy blue color grading - but the movie as a whole had a lot of Aguirre stuff going on with the struggle against nature
Ian Baker
So I've seen wages of fear, can I give this one a pass or what
Easton Hall
ive seen Wages of Fear, liked it a lot, havent seen Sorcerer yet though, how do they compare?
Isaac Walker
Sorcerer's worth a watch. General consensus is that Wages is the superior film, but Sorcerer has an interesting aesthetic and basically completely different characters, also some really remarkable stunt work
Asher Barnes
Sorcerer looks like a delivery service on Dagobah
Owen Morris
excellent movie
Logan James
10/10
Isaiah Parker
i've seen sorcerer but not the original wages of fear. how much shit are the wages of fear characters put through in comparison?
Nicholas Clark
seen wages of fear recently, sorcerer is a remake of that right?
Joseph Brown
Equal, if not a bit more Yup and a remake done right
Isaiah Reyes
>hollywood didn't start infantilizing their audiences until star wars
... way to ignore just about the entirety of cinema history.
Jose Ward
what do you make of it?
Charles Young
but when was the breaking point?
Jonathan Morgan
Did nothing better come out that weekend? Sorcerer is a remake of The Wages of Fear by the brattiest of the Movie Brats, it's not the best example of artistically ambitious filmmaking.
Jaxon Clark
Problem is: Sorcerer runs for 1h before something interesting happens. Watch Speed instead.
Caleb White
He did copy him. The movie is a remake anyway, and Friedkin's entire idea of how to direct movies is a Fritz Lang impersonation, so it's not a stretch to call him derivative.
Brody Ward
Sure, there were always infantilizing movies, but Sorcerer vs. Star Wars was the moment the trajectory was set and Hollywood decided mainstream audiences no longer wanted to be treated like adults.
Joseph Morgan
the jerusalem bombing is an excellent scene lad
Evan Cruz
But you forget the fact that Sorcerer is a shit movie while Star Wars is not
Jeremiah Davis
No, again, this isn't what happened. There are so many people who swallow the self-serving myth of that time. Let me make it country simple: Hollywood makes movies for whoever the majority of ticket-buyers are. In the golden age, it was women and their kids/younger siblings. Then as that declined, it was teenagers with cars - hence drive-ins. The "New Hollywood" era began because the older people were watching TV, while the younger people were still going to the movies, and the movies competed on content rather than spectacle because too many expensive flops happened in the late sixties. The young people who were forming families of their own would ALWAYS have eventually wanted to take their own kids to the movies, and the industry would always have tried to appeal to them as the changing economy made it easier to make expensive-looking movies. That's what happened. No editorial decisions, just monetary ones.
Jordan Myers
W-will m'ladies fuck me now...?
Sebastian White
>complaining that a remake didn't do as well as one of the most important and influential movies of all time
Joshua Wood
I have to agree with you, Sorcerer had some stunning scenes, but was too slow and long.
Maybe that makes me a pleb, but plebs are in the majority, we control Hollywood.
Ryan Garcia
None of those movies had female power endings you fucking autist, why don't you go out and get some pussy instead of jerking off to hentai all day.
