4 years on and I'm still mad

What went so terribly, terribly wrong?

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>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?

Nickelodeon making Byrke do more than what they designed/wanted to. LoK was originally supposed to be a one shot TV special. Then Nick changed it to a TV series. Then Nick demanded another season. Then Nick demanded two more seasons before the second season was already in the later stages of production. If Nick had intended for it to be a 4 season show from the start, it'd probably be better because Byrke would've been able to plan shit out. But they didn't get that luxury, so they gave what they could.

For what it's worth, at least we got S4 Korra for maximum cuteness.

But the first season was shit and the third was the best. Explain that.

This.

Of all the bullshit the series had, and there was a fuck ton of it, this shit was the most bull. Not even necessarily that she didnt win, but that she fucking gave up thanks to some retarded forced sympathizing.

>But the first season was shit

Because it was originally intended to be a TV special. They had to take what they had and make it longer.

>the third was the best. Explain that.

Because they wrote seasons 3 and 4 in one go. They probably had a bit more time to write out season 3 because they needed it to also set shit up for season 4. And also because season 3, I think, utilized alot of unused ideas from TLA.

>4 years
A-already?

Time flies user.

It honestly feels like yesterday.

My opinion was that following the success of ATLA, certain individuals of certain persuasions and agendas hijacked Korra as a vessel for propaganda of a certain kind.

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the problem is Bryke had too much creative control. like most idea guys, they needed a dour Accountant type to rein them in a bit.

are you fucking stupid

Nigga you sound like Chris-Chan blaming all of his problems on homos and internet trolls

Nick needed to attach a suit to the production team so he could veto all their stupid ideas and force them to develop the ideas and characters they already introduced. one of the biggest flaws of the show is that it keeps introducing new characters, concepts, and gimmicks that never get properly developed or integrated into the story, and the only solution Bryke were ever able to come up with was to push the older stuff to the background and introduce yet more new stuff

you sound like a little bitch mad at things he wanted to happen but didnt

i'm a businessman who hates to see a project founder due to poor supervision

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>older, more cringy teens
>not a direct continuation of aangs story
>really annoying teen drama subplots
>depressing to the point its not even enjoyable anymore
Did i leave anything out?

just like the other one

Eh, I never really dug the new hair. It's not bad, but her old hairstyle made her stand out more, plus she could let it down for maximum sex hair.

Nah, that was just Bryke scrambling to give their satisfying conclusion some semblence of satisfaction to the only people who cared at that point. There was no agenda; they just suck so they used the lgbt card to save their underwhelming finale.

the only place that hates this show are some of you idiots like OP now fuck off and stop shitting up avatar threads

The other avatars drama was enjoyable, still funny during the depressing bits, and didnt show characters weve loved since we were kids age and die.

>But the first season was shit and the third was the best.
Up until the finale Season 1 was best.

season 1 was fine until they went all-in on the shipping drama and it never recovered

>LoK was originally supposed to be a one shot TV special.

>Because it was originally intended to be a TV special.

No it wasn't you autist. At the beginning Nick said "Give us one season of Korra and an animated special based off of the search for Zuko's Mom".

They were in development of both and then Nick said "nevermind, cancel The Search movie and make a second season of Korra"

Then when they saw how huge a success the first season was, they ordered seasons 3 and 4.

Then the show got too hard to animate so the animators went on strike which delayed the second season and then when it was finally read Nickelodeon NEVER advertised it and forced it to online only after the viewership plunged after not advertising the third season either.

>"I'M THE AVATAR AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT"
This shit was dead on arrival

But that was the best line in the whole show.

>What went so terribly, terribly wrong?
It wasn't even that bad. Not great, and arguably not even good, but lots of people on Sup Forums can't enjoy things despite their flaws.

>4 years on and I'm still mad

Get help

co is the only place where LOK gets full on hated. It is genuinely fucked that they are legitimately autisitic about it.


Like jesus christ find a middle ground somewhere, it had good shit too.

>not a direct continuation of aangs story
thank god
They would've ruined aang and the gang

Is Suyin ever gonna get called out for being a shit sister and a worse adopted mother? Please have her get her just desserts in the comics.

Nothing. It was a good series.
It just wasn't as good as avatar

Weren't the animators Studio Pierrot from Japan and Studio Mir from Korea? Did they really go "on strike" or are you just bullshitting?

>>"I'M THE AVATAR AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT"

>it had good shit too.

The porn was the only good thing about Korra. Though that legacy has exceeded the show's.

>co is the only place where LOK gets full on hated.
More like Sup Forums and tumblr are the only places it's even discussed. Discussion about Legend of Korra died down halfway through the show's airing, and only built back up again at the book 4 finale... and then promptly died down again.

The strike shit is bullshit but he's right about the other stuff.

And yeah, Pierrot animated the first half of Book 2(though i think at some point Mir stepped in and "helped" them not look as shit) while Mir did Beginnings and beyond.

Book 2 was delayed because of the animation studio change(Mir didn't want pwople thinking Pierrot's work was theirs and or hurt their own reputation) and because Bryke had to develop a story from concepts they had laying around from ATLA after Nick told them "hey you're getting more seasons"

Reddit, Avatarspirit, and a few other places discuss the show too.

What was this show animated in as far as frames per second? Am I the only one that felt that Avatar has always been choppy and animated at like 20 fps or what?

According to the encodes I have:

ATLA - just under 30 fps

Korra - 23 fps

>It just wasn't as good as avatar

Better finale, though.

a man after my own heart

It was alright, just not as good as AtLA. Most people think that way as well.

AtLA 9.2 > Korra 8.6 ratings

Aaron Ehasz was not involved

This.

This.

That dude and his wife are both fucking legends.

I don't want to fuck your shit here, but 20fps would still be pretty damn good to be animated at.

For reference, this opening was animated at a full 24fps: youtu.be/kvOLcpykdbc?t=59s

and the effort clearly shows at 1:00 in. So considering how choppy LoK often looks, it must've run far under 24.

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Then maybe they just suck balls at their job. I don't know what to tell you. I'm just telling you what I do know.

How's it feel, being so easily turned off from something?

Maybe your eyesight is bad. I've never had any issue with Korra's frame rate.

Feels good.

tumblr doesn't discuss it anymore only reblog old posts with no input. Even the art has slowed to less than a crawl.

The chan boards like hate it. The avatar board on plus4chan is dead. And Avatarspirit is the kid friendly forum and everyone who liked it left.

I almost solely watched anime as far as animated shows go and literally the first episode of ATLA I noticed the choppiness. It continued into Korra as well. There's no way I'm the only one.

Maybe my eyesight is so used to 60 FPS from playing all that vidya but there's no way Avatar didn't cut corners as far as frame rate is concerned.

Most if not all TV shows in the west run at 24 frames per second. It's also standard movie framerate. Don't assume higher=better, this isn't a video game. A lot of people got motion sickness when Peter Jackson went around trumpeting High Frame Rate movies, and they were shot in 48 FPS.

I'm not saying higher = objectively better. There are more factors that go into animation obviously.

I'm just saying watching Avatar felt choppy as fuck compared to a lot of other shows/games and there's no way I was the only one who thought that.

We shouldn't still be having this thread.

How long are you going to keep doing this? 10 years from now are people still going to be talking how much they hate Korra? How much wasted potential and unlikable characters litter the whole thing? The show was, at worst, mediocre, meanwhile actual dogshit shows get free passes along with generals and devoted autists making 5 threads a day.

As your post says, the wasted potential is what really drives everything.

No one brings up other shows like Planet Sheen, Sumo Duper Sumos, and the like because you look at that or the premise and that's it, it's nothing to write home about at all. Also most other dogshit shows fall under comedy instead of action/adventure with drama and comedy as well.

It's like talking about food from a fast food chain making you sick (actual dogshit shows) versus some chef prepared food in an upscale restaurant (the successor to AtLA built on top of the foundation already set down.)

>Nickelodeon making Byrke do more than what they designed/wanted to
they didn't know that ATLA would be 3 seasons either.

Bullshit

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I consider Korra to be a really good show, probably in the top ten of western animation of the past decade, but two things really bug me about it:
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>Lavabending.
A lot of the writing seemed insistent on showing itself up with introducing cooler and better bending abilities as time went on, but this was the most blatant shark jump. Earthbenders controlling preexisting lava is fine, but turning rock to lava requires creating heat through your bending, which would be fine, if there weren't an entire other bending style for JUST that. lava bending should require both earthbending and firebending and be something only the avatar can do.
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>This thing
Speaking of shark jumps. They expect me to believe this? First, there's no way there's this much platinum in their country. There shouldn't be this much platinum on their planet! And this whole thing is controlled by a single metal bender, with enough articulation to not only walk around but fight like a person? Bullshit. You know how hard it would be just to have that thing remain standing up? Their world is just scratching steampunk level of technology, and they'd need more computing power than we have in the real modern world to pull this off. It's also pointless. The giant laser is the whole point, which is fine. But they could have just put in on a giant mobile tripod. It would be much more stable, use WAY less platinum, and most importantly, have been possible.

> top ten of western animation of the past decade

if only this actually meant something

>I almost solely watched anime
Then you should be used to single digit frame rates.

i remember when i first saw the mecha scene i closed the player and deleted the episode archive out of rage

1) All they're doing is vibrating the particles in the earth, making them heat up. It's similar to how waterbenders can make ice.

2)

> First, there's no way there's this much platinum in their country. There shouldn't be this much platinum on their planet!

You're assuming the Avatar world has a similar distribution of resources and metals as Earth.

>And this whole thing is controlled by a single metal bender, with enough articulation to not only walk around but fight like a person? Bullshit.

Why? They seem to have no trouble with any of the other mechs in the show.

>Their world is just scratching steampunk level of technology, and they'd need more computing power than we have in the real modern world to pull this off.

Not really, they have bending instead.

> You know how hard it would be just to have that thing remain standing up?

Not very, considering it, and all other mechs, stand up just fine.

anime is animated in twos though

Korra actually tricked us into giving a shit.

But korra blows from start to finish. It would have been better if they kept the old writers who fixed the shit out of their terrible hackneyed writing.

But they do a better job of hiding it

Korra was planned to be a 2-season thing at the start.

Then halfway in they got told they probably won't get a second season, and they had to completely rewrite Amon's ending at the last second, since he was supposed to be the villain of both seasons. Season 1 would end without the "he's really a water bender" shit and he'd get bailed out of trouble by spirits, revealing he was in fact chosen by them.

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Considering how shit season 2 was, that sounds like we dodge a bullet. It would have ruined amon even further if that was possible.

What crevice of your ass did you pull that from? Korra was planned as a 1 season thing, a miniseries.

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>they have bending instead.
So Kovira is completely controlling that whole thing with her bending? Why would she even need a robot then?
>considering it, and all other mechs, stand up just fine.
The other mechs are on treads, and move like clunky robots. It takes a LOT of very coordinated systems to keep a humanoid shape from falling over, especially at that height.

You never grew up and accidentally watched a series for adults.

sage

>So Kovira is completely controlling that whole thing with her bending? Why would she even need a robot then?

Because the robot transports the laser cannon and demoralizes the enemy. As I said, it's part of ruling by fear. Plus, the height allows for a wider range.

The meteorite metal spheres are part of some machinery or system that controls any of the interior bits. There are some sort of control panels that the soldiers in the head with her use to control other systems.

>The other mechs are on treads

Not the ones in Book 4 in Kuvira's army.

>It takes a LOT of very coordinated systems to keep a humanoid shape from falling over, especially at that height.

In real life, yes. Not on the Avatar world or many Sci Fi/Science Fantasy worlds.

Actually, no. We grew up but mistook Korra for a series for adults.

It had edge, but not an ounce of emotional or intellectual maturity or competent storytelling.

It wouldve been great, fuck you

>It's another ATLA nostalgiafags pretend Korra is the worst thing ever because it didn't meet their unrealistic expectations thread.

>Because the robot transports the laser cannon and demoralizes the enemy. As I said, it's part of ruling by fear. Plus, the height allows for a wider range.
Hence the better option of having it on a mobile turret.
>The meteorite metal spheres are part of some machinery or system that controls any of the interior bits.
Preciously, she's not controlling it with her bending, she's just using it to manipulate more controls than she has hands. That setup implies their giant robot can replicate human martial arts while being controlled by a set of 10 levers and 8 trackballs.
>There are some sort of control panels that the soldiers in the head with her use to control other systems.
which clearly weren't very important because she's dong it all on her own at the end.
Other sci-fi/sci-fantasy worlds have the benefit of having technology that surpasses our own. Avatar's world doesn't, by far. This robot was just way too far beyond anything they'd shown to be in the setting. It was doing kung fu when, with its world's level of technology, it shouldn't have even been able to stand up.

They could've just mount their cannon on an airship. Could be a nice callback.

>In real life, yes. Not on the Avatar world or many Sci Fi/Science Fantasy worlds.

Which completely breaks immersion. Fiction needs to be believable, if the rules in the story are not what they are in the real world, if they aren't what the viewer is actually familiar with, it has to be very clearly established what they are and what implications they have.

Breaking rules on the fly because you can is a sloppy story-telling. Compare the giant mech thingy to the Lion Turtle. Both come off as Deus Ex Machina but that mech is way worse because at least we knew going in that Spirits of varying power and influence are something that exists in this world. Sure it's a convenient way to introduce a total ass-pull, but at least it was established that that can happen.

There is no excuse for that mech.

>Hence the better option of having it on a mobile turret.
That's a worse option. Not as much range, less fear factor

>This robot was just way too far beyond anything they'd shown to be in the setting.

No it didnt.

ATLA had a massive drill, tanks that can flip over, and airships.

Korra had treaded mechs get invented and evolve into ones that can walk. It had much better airships. It had better boats, it had planes, it had bullet trains and newer tanks. Technology advanced over the course of the series. The giant mech is not out of the realm of possibility for the universe.

Airship wouldn't be able to handle the kickback and would be seen as a cheap rip-off"instead of fire its a lazer beam"

But no rules were broken. The mech makes sense in the world.

Is Korra a good show on it's own?
If so, could you remove any and all references to the old show and have it be just as good if not a similar quality?

They couldn't make a zuko/azula/ toph tier character. They almost had em with kuvira, asami, and zaheer but fell short.

It's kinda galling how badly Vaatu and Braava were handled. The whole point of Yin and Yang being shaped together like a circle is that they're complementary halves to a single whole that make a single working unit. Like balance between work and play, day and night, aggression and patience, and fuck we already had this symbol in place with the Moon and Ocean spirits being push and pull.

But no, they change it to the bland western good and evil where both sides are trying to utterly suppress each other. And for being made of pure chaos, some how Vaatu can completely dominate all spirits around it but an Order spirit can't do the same.

And for christ's sake it was the moral of the season anyway! They spend the entire season painting Vaatu as pure destruction and evil and Order as good and kind, but the ultimate solution is to disrupt the established system of the world and open the portals.

Oh, and darkness is feminine in yin-yang symbolism so making Vaatu male is just SJW bullshit.

>That's a worse option. Not as much range
How would a turret of equal height have less range?
>ATLA had a massive drill, tanks that can flip over, and airships. Korra had treaded mechs get invented and evolve into ones that can walk. It had much better airships. It had better boats, it had planes, it had bullet trains and newer tanks.
and none of that is even CLOSE to the level of technology that mech would require.
>But no rules were broken. The mech makes sense in the world.
You're not getting it, that mech makes no sense in ANY world. At it's height, with it's footprint, and the weight of being fully platinum, it would sink into the ground.

Not really, but then, it's a sequel. Book 3 of ATLA wouldn't be as good if you hadn't seen book 1 and 2.

Do you have the same problem with waterbenders turning ice into water?

Season 2 was pretty bad and the end of season 1 felt rushed and like they wrote it to be self-contained one-shot story, which I think was their original plan at first.

Other than that, it was an excellent show that vastly surpassed ATLA in season 3 and 4. ATLA just happens to be the single most overrated cartoon show of all time and fanboys of the show are completely unable to acknowledge all the dumb shit their favorite show did, while they are examining everything LoK did badly under a microscope.

No. It can seem similar but removing heat doesn't encroach on the entire bases of one of the other bending styles.
And even the show itself treats then as different by trying to take the scientific route with lavabending, bringing up friction and vibration, but just never explain where the heat in the water goes and just write it off as bending magic.
I like that better, I'm fine with things just being bending magic, as long as it's the kind of bending magic that person should have.

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My expectations were it being good

I always sorta took it that a water bender can change the state of water but the temperature isn't altered much. Like they make ice but it's not actually that cold. In the same way they can evaporate water without it being scalding steam.
Probably the worst part about lava bending is that a main character learns it with no explanation. Lightning bending has a whole episode about energy paths and dividing opposing forces, Metal bending has both Toph and Korra learning about impurities in metal, but it's never once explained what Bolin is doing to lava bend, especially since he did it accidentally and there's no explanation as to what makes him unsuited for metal bending but great at lava bending. Fuck, they could have even just made it a new oncoming age of bending by making it a rare fusion of earth and fire due to his parents.