Russia leaves coomunism in 1991, it's now a failed shithole

> Russia leaves coomunism in 1991, it's now a failed shithole

>China didn't leave communism, it's now the most powerful and rich country in the world

Why are Russkies so dumb?

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>china
>communist

china is capitalist though. that dip you see in the russian economy is the eastern bloc dissolving.

> former USSR
> better average GDP growth than Russia post 2000
I don't think that graph is entirely correct, Putin told me we're doing ok

I thought you also said China "leaves communism". Almost like my brain automatically corrected your retardation and made your thread half decent.

>China didn't leave communism,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_billionaires

>Why are Russkies so dumb?

Paranoia about foreign invasion

yet another quality pastanigger post

>China didn't leave communism

>Russkies
Eltsyn and his jew reformist team?
most of the people didn't supported changes

>China didn't leave communism
>implying

Putin is garbage.

Assassins will be coming to your house to kill your family now.

Just learned the other day that Deng Xiaoping spent some time of his youth in France working, and thats where he learnt about communism.

I'm ready.

based france

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>GDP per capita lower than Colombia and Mexico
>most powerful and rich country in the world
Kek

>communism
>gdp
retard

>be me in school
>chinese students arrived with visit
>first and the only thing they want to see is mausoleum
>is closed
>i said them it's closed because Putin signed the order to throw that piece of shit ( Lenin ) away
>their teachers instantly commit chinkpukku

le money exchange didn't exist in Soviet union

>>Putin signed the order to throw that piece of shit ( Lenin ) away
How long until it finally happens?

>Chinese population is 11 times of Japan
>Chinese GDP is 2.5 times of Japan
Is China rich?

yes when taking into consideration their history. like the fact that japan raped and oppressed china for years stunting their growth.

I want Japan to rape and oppress me

when america get sick
their pet will go to chinese hands
china is a powerhouse

Soviet industry was spread all over the union. of course reunification fucked it all up.

>watch western tv commercials
>believe thats how thy live in the west
>throw away decades of sacrifices for stabilish a just society
>be poorer than before and jobless

It's socialism you dummy. It's a market economy guided by a strong state control and SOE's. Communism is the end result of socialism, a classless society. China is still in the early stages of socialism.
Economics isn't just a binary full-on gommunism vs full on laissez-faire capitalism. There is a spectrum, a lot of room in between.

>Russia leaves coomunism in 1991
I hope you like it living in poor country with show off patriotism.

Keep in mind that China only exceeded Japan in 2010 and we're not even at 2020 yet, and China is already 2 1/2 times larger than Japan's GDP.
This train ain't stopping any time soon.

>China didn't leave communism

china is going to slow down just like every developing power did.

the train of communism is unstoppable

And still there are people who will cover their ears and screech "CHINA WILL NEVR BE A SUPERPOWER CHINA WILL NEVR BE A SUPERPOWER CHINA WILL NEVR BE A SUPERPOWER"

china unironically studies the USSR collapse very hard, and learned a lot of lessons on what to not do.

pseudo-capitalism to achieve communism is what xi jinping wants. he wants a return to true socialism imo and actually controlling the CEOs and wealthy.

he's doing what literally every cuck political system cannot, actually control the 0.1% oligarchs.

china serves as a model for the return to true socialism, after this capitalist nightmare century ends.

when is that slowdown happening?

I hope China will help moscow to reborn the USSR

Ignorance is bliss.
China will rise, and nothing can stop it.
Get on the hype train.
Russia is a lost cause. They're demographically doomed and an international pariah, with an economy entirely dependent on a single, widely fluctuating commodity.
China should keep them around, but it's impossible to resurrect glorious mother Russia. Unless Putin stops alienating the West.
You're right actually. Beijing just seized Anbang the other day.

>Putin stops alienating the West.
its self defense dude

Occupying and annexing sovereign territory of another nation state is the exact opposite of self defense.
For reference, please look up Sudetenland.

>Anbang
Just googled it. they have 120 billion in assets, its the equivalent of the US seizing Merril Lynch.

Something like that is unimagineable in the US until they actually crash and need taxpayer bailouts.

so next time we should not hack elections but coup your government since you seems not being able to notice such kind of thing
to be clear here is no conflict between russia and ukraine ,ukraine with current government is just a glove on the US hand

Finally someone who actually read Deng's treatises.

Notice how the ryssä doesn't explicitly deny living in a warmongering shithole, he just shifts the goal posts.

Eric Li said the difference between capitalism and socialism is that capitalists have the final say in the former and the government in the latter.
China is clearly a system where capital does not have the final say and if they go too far and endanger the national economy, the government will have the balls to rein them in.
Unlike in America where the big banks fucked everyone over and cause the 08 recession.
Ukraine is a sovereign government and Putin violated their national sovereignty, full stop. Then to cover Kremlin's asses from the fall out they violated our sovereignty, co-opted and hijacked our democracy. One sin leads to another to another. It is not going to end well for Russia. The economy will continue to stagnate and the outside world will continue hating your country.
Putin is making things worse and worse for you while siphoning money off from you to support his oligarch buddies. You should be concerned.
Deng was a great man. He defied both orthodox Marxism and liberalism, and produced a miracle. It's a good thing too, because the Russians fell for the hardcore democratic capitalism meme and they are still paying for it.

>all balls he got grows on the american body

>Ukraine is a sovereign governmen
and US couped it to make them a tool against russia .ukrainians paying with their lives because you can't to fuck off and accept putin as leader of russia and you hypocrite fags talk about sovereignity
>Then to cover Kremlin's asses from the fall out they violated our sovereignty, co-opted and hijacked our democracy.
brainded/10

Either technology really leveled out quality of lives or this graph is pretty inaccurate.

there's no way one could look at Russia in 1990 and think they were doing better than in 2008.
For goodness sake, oil was trading for $130 a barrel for a while.

>China didn’t leave communism

>GDP per capita lower than Colombia and Mexico

Not anymore sweaty

Notice how the ryssä turns hostile and starts using personal attacks when his words are objectively dismantled and inspected.

Can't you read? It says on the fucking graph "Real GDP"

I’m sure the Netherlands was happy being “rich” when Nazi Germany came knocking on the door.

A nation can be rich even if the people are poor, user.

Like how millions of americans live in abject poverty even though american rich own 70% of all capital in the world?

>China didn't leave communism

Agreed. Yet a slowing high rate of growth with a massive economy still increases absolute GDP by trillions every year.

>there's no way one could look at Russia in 1990 and think they were doing better than in 2008
If Gorbachev was actually competant, then Putin won't be a thing, silly

AIG*

Although AIG had $500 billion in assets and Anbang only $200 billion.

>Beijing’s interventions in the economy don’t always merit applause, but the government’s unprecedented seizure of Anbang Insurance Group Co. deserves congratulations.
>Anbang was a toxic threat to China’s financial system after a debt-fueled global acquisition spree -- including trophy assets such as New York’s Waldorf Astoria hotel -- that was funded by the sale of high-yield insurance policies. Those risky products propelled the company from obscurity into the ranks of the country’s biggest insurers in the space of a few years.

1990 includes the entire USSR

Russia GDP alone surpassed the RSFR in 2008. GDP per capita even more.

>grandson of genghis khan behaves as effeminate faggot
no respect you'll got from me ever

Regardless of what the US did, which is questionable, stealing Ukraine's territory is not justifiable.
Yanukovich was a Russian puppet regardless.
And yes, the Russians did co-opt America's elections and gave us this absolute embarrassment of a President.
It's socialism doe

>being american
>get shot
>that's will be 500'000$ sir
i'm not surprised that things you're saying seem logical for you

Russia has larger gdp per capita than China. And better living standards as well. China is just a rich North Korea.

>Russia has larger gdp per capita than China.
According to World Bank Russia's GDP/capita is 8,748.36 USD, while China's is 8,123.18 USD.
The difference is small and soon will be closed.
>And better living standards as well.
HDI difference is small too, 0.804 versus 0.738, and again China is closing the gap very fast. China has tons of foreign development, and the economy is still growing fast, more opportunities while Russia has been shunned by international business.
>China is just a rich North Korea.
This is just a flat out lie. NK's GDP/capita is 583 dollars, not even 1,000 compared to China's 8,000. China is very rich in a lot of regions. There's inequality for sure but it's being addressed.

The US created superpower China, dimwit.

Well DUH
Nixon intentionally sided with China to use it as a proxy against USSR, and China likewise used US against Moscow.
It was a relationship built on mutual interest and Realpolitik.
Although the US probably never thought China could become so powerful as it is today let alone challenge our leadership position.

>our leadership position
>our

Chang, you're not fooling me.

It has less to do with communism than the fact that the CCP realized they could get rich by whipping their huge population of slaves into making cheap tennis balls and sneakers and that China is geographically in a much better location for overseas trade than Russia.

Are there any actual white people posting under Canadian flags?

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>Economics isn't just a binary full-on gommunism vs full on laissez-faire capitalism. There is a spectrum, a lot of room in between.

Wrong. Read Marx.

Why do Westerners continually smear and denigrate China? They clearly want to create the image that Chinese people are some sort of uncivilized brutes to justify colonizing and taking advantage of them such as they did in the 19th-early 20th centuries.

>China didn't leave communism

Nobody is doing it to justify imperialism, we do it because, well, relatively, they are.
t. lived there and started spitting and pushing in everywhere

It didn't. The country is still very much a planned economy where the CCP manages everything. Private enterprise is only tolerated within rigid limits and is never free from being suppressed and confiscated by the state with no legal recourse. Most financial institutions are state-owned and all larger business enterprises are affiliated with the party or the army.

You have to go back, Jiang.

I'm American. Believe me or don't. I know who you voted for.
Marx's opinions are valuable, but not the be-all end-all of truth. There is a spectrum of economics. And it's best to be in between extremes.

>believes in the USSR report files

I actually believe China’s median wage passed Russia in 2016.

Income inequality is a bitch

dude, shut up man. you're the chink who posts on sino all the time. you're a chink.

But socialism/communism is the negation of capitalism. You can't half-abolish capitalism.

>Marx's opinions are valuable

Not really. He was writing from a mid-19th century POV and never envisioned organized labor or social welfare happening.

Isn't yours lower than theirs also?

You have to go back

China is a pretty fucking miserable place to live in, it's probably worse than the USSR, dare I even say that Mao-era China was not as dystopian. At least the air was breathable back then.

>China didn't leave communism

Again, I am not Chinese despite your suspicions.
Capitalism is the system where capital has absolute control over most or all things. Socialism is the gradual process of evolution away from capitalism to eventually accomplishing communism. Socialism by its definition is gradual.
He made some valid points about class and also a new way of looking at history through the prism of class struggle, materialism and economics.
I am not endorsing Stalinist style MArxist economics, just some elements of MArx's philosophy.

> He was writing from a mid-19th century POV and never envisioned organized labor or social welfare happening.

Organized labor already existed in Marx's time and he was quite familiar with trade unions. Welfare was already coming into being and doesn't have any real bearing on his theories anyway.

Marx offered some interesting critiques of capitalism, problem is, while it's very easy to find fault with capitalism, it's harder to propose a viable alternative.

Have you ever actually been to China? At the bare minimum it is much better than the USSR or Mao-era.
Marx never even came up with a precise system to replace it.
Every Marxist system that's ever been created has essentially been ad lib/post hoc designed according to the wishes of the authorities and the realities of the countries they were practiced in.
I would say China has formulated an alternative system that is effective.

NatGeo ran an article about China in 1971, just before Nixon went there, and among other things, they noted how clear and clean the air in Beijing was since there were very few automobiles.

Socialism emerges organically out of the contradictions of capitalism. Trying to sketch out a vision of the future down to the little details is silly and utopian. No one sat down and 'planned out' capitalism, it just grew out of the socio-economic system(s) that preceded it.

>I would say China has formulated an alternative system that is effective.
If you consider glowing green waterways and harvesting political prisoners' kidneys to be an effective system.

Spouting memes is not an argument.
China has done gangbusters in the past 40 years and they're even challenging the US now. Their system definitely works for them.

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Oh lovely, it's this troll again. I didn't forget.

Didn't forget what? That you've argued with me before?

If you didn't know, this guy is a Chinese embassy employee in DC and he uses his free time to spam literal CCP propaganda on Sup Forums and sometimes old art and architecture which is funny because it only exists in museums now since Mao nuked all of their culture.

>Why are Russkies so dumb?
It's all libtards who thought American advisors are wise.

But we will vote for Grudinin and re-create Soviet Russia. I will vote for Grudinin on the elections, it's candidate of the people!

Lal.

1) I don't work at any embassy, I'm an American living in America
2) I am just posting my point of view
3) How do you "nuke" culture? It's all there, in museums in China and a lot of it still in its original places, like the Longmen Grottoes.

That is pathetically cuck-tier.

>can't even use traditional architectural styles anymore since nobody who knows how to do it is left
>have to copy the white man's buildings