Capeshit is dumb

>Capeshit is dumb
>Americans are dumb
>Read my shitty fishrape comic

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>fishrape comic
Sounds awful.
Tell me more OP.

Most of his rant is an appeal to authority too. He usually starts by talking about what super heroes were originally designed to do as a validation of his vp. Whihc considering his own work is hypocrisy as well.
>it's okay when Alan does it.
Tom Strong is okay, though.

not OP but he decided to write a comic based on HP Lovecraft. One of the better known part of HP's works was the Deep Ones who are fish-people who sometimes interbreed with humans. Despite the fact that in the books they only interbred with humans as part of deals (the humans usually receiving valuables of some kind) Alan Moore decided to have on of the main characters of his comic get repeatedly raped and impregnated by a Deep One (see for one of the blue-board appropriate panels). He said it was essentially 'calling Lovecraft's bluff', the man was known for being very vague about the worse parts of what various cultists and creatures did in his books so AM decided that he would show then in a lot of detail despite that not being the damm point

He made up for it with Providence.

The Courtyard was also very good

>Whihc considering his own work is hypocrisy as well.
Only not, because he didn't intend his deconstructions as a model for future superhero comics.

>calling lovecraft's bluff
Considering the proliferation of rape in Moore's work this is the flimsiest of excuses.

>le moore rape meme xD

Moore reminds me a lot of Alejandro Jodorowsky.
Great work mixed with utter shit.
Obsession with edgy teen "magic" shit that seems way beneath his intelligence.
Can be very pleasant and charismatic until he gets on certain topics and makes an ass of himself.

I feel like Morrison is to Moore as David Lynch is to Jodorowsky.

He's right, but he's also very wrong. Moore isn't some kind of comics god, as portrayed by the ignorant within and outside of comics, he was just very good at what he did and incredibly astute with who he collaborated with.

In these cases, I try my best to separate creator from their work, especially if it's their past work. Moore is an even more important case, in regards to the work he, Gibbons, and Higgins completed as a part of Watchmen.

Intention has nothing at all to do with it. He did the damage and has been sluffing it off on others ever since, while still writing his rapey fanfictions.

Alan Quatermain was also designed for 12 year olds, user, and he fu ked Mina against the tree well after Watchmen.

I don't disagree with his tastes user, which is all his opinions really amount to, really. I just don't give him a pass that he is so eager to give himself.
Also, you are appealing to authority as well when you invoke his intent. I don't give a fuck how AM feels about anything. Explain why I should.

>Lynch
>retarded shit sewn together in an half-assed attempt to seem cryptic and deep
>Morrison
yep seems about right

>Intention has nothing at all to do with it.
Fuck Roland Barthes.

I'm pumped as hell for Jerusalem

Lynch's films, with the exception of Inland Empire, are very straightforward narratives.
There are two possibilities here:
1. You haven't actually watched them.
2. You're a complete idiot who can't follow anything more complex than a Hollywood blockbuster.

He also said it was to pay an electricity bill.

>Morrison
Fuck off.

Morrison has had a longer and more consistent career than Moore. Moore needs to have more respect for his senpai.

That's right everybody, if you have Morrison comics in your house alomg side those of The Great Old One, you must get rid of them them or be deemed a heretic.

I'm impressed nigga, you must be very smart to interpret those ramblings

>and more consistent career than Moore
Morrison has written a lot more shitty comics than more.

His films aren't even abstract. They're just traditional narratives told in a slightly non-linear way. If you can't understand Lynch films, you're a pleb and always will be.

>Morrison has had a long and consistent career of "repurposing" his betters.

whatever Log Lady

*Moore

to be fair, neonomicon was written decades ago
it just was never turned into a comic until recently

Moore has written a lot fewer good comics than Morrison.

Also note that one is in charge of Heavy Metal while the other footles around at a z-list titty-book publisher.

subjective.

If you're trying to defend Moore, it isn't wise to bring up standing on the shoulders of better artists.

Providence is 10/10

>One is in charge of a soft porn magazine while the other is writing Providence.

>GM is one of those who, when you come home, is standing at the fire escape window carrying out your TV. When you confront him he grins uneasily and says ‘You have a great taste in TVs, man.’

As subjective as the statement is was responding to.

Isn't HM pretty shit these days?

>One is in a leadership role at one of the only Non-American or Japanese pubs that actually matters.
>One is plagiarizing a dead New England NEET for the 50th time to produce a comic nobody reads.

Not from what I've heard. My 2 LCS's are both carrying Heavy Metal books again for the first time in years.

even if Moore would publish Jeruzalem sized pornographic fish people gangbang comic his previous works still make him one of the greatest comic writers ever

He's one of the HANDFUL to have done Lovecraft homage right though, outside of Lovecraft's writing circle.

Providence still make him one of the greatest ever.

>ITT: which pasticher is best?

>>One is in a leadership role at one of the only Non-American or Japanese pubs that actually matters.
Heavy Metal hasn't mattered in decades.
>>One is plagiarizing a dead New England NEET for the 50th time to produce a comic nobody reads.
But people don't read Heavy Metal either.

Providence is better than LOEG.

>Neonomicon is HPL done right
sure thing buddy.

I'm clearly talking about Providence.

consistent in trying too hard to ever reach Moores level and failing miserably

Lovecraft did Lovecraft right. Anyone else from Derleth to Moore is just capitalizing on his ideas.

Seriously, no offense, but he lost me at the first story anout Beemo's daught with the singing gang rape scene.
I actually like the sorts of hero comics Moore uses to prop up his attacks on the modern industry, but not Moore, not for quite some time.

Sure, but 90% of Lovecraft homaging/idea mining is complete crap.
Either focusing too much on fish/old one stuff and not enough on trying to recreate the actual feeling and depth.

Moore and Burrows are maybe in the top percentile for getting that down pat with Providence.

This is the number one HPL comic related thing.
All others are number 2 or lower.

*Neemo's daughter

What is "Moore's level" exactly?
A cape comic with literary aspirations.
A repeat of the previous with Charlton pastiches.
Edgy teen Muh Anarchy capeshit.
Fairy tale porn.
Autistic crossover nonsense.
Assorted good-tier big 2 schlock.
Late period not worth mentioning.

This is supposed to be the greatest comic writer of our time? Fuck sake even entry-level shit like Clowes is miles above Moore.
Moore only seems impressive when compared to lowest-common-denominator big 2 capeshit.

Seriously, that shit is incorrectly cited by idiots more often than fucking Schrodinger's Cat at this point.

>Heavy Metal
>actually matters
Heavy Metal hasn't mattered since the late 1970s. Slapping the Cadbury Bunny in bondage gear on the front cover isn't likely to change that for anyone other than furries.

>comic nobody reads
Knowing Morrison, he's reading it right now in an effort to find ways to "repurpose" it for Heavy Metal.

>morrisonfags

I'd have a hard time deciding who I am less interested in given the choice between not-crumb and the Uk's answer to John Byrne.

Honestly, both camps are fucking retarded, more focused on dismissive bullshit to fuel your console war garbage than ever talking about the actual work either writer created.

Nobody cited him, except the user you are replying to, though.
I expressed my own opinion, which is good enough for me. I don't need an academic back up.

user probably thinks they're the same comic.

Can someone explain to me does Alan Moore hate Lovecraft or love Lovecraft and why does it change so much from page to page? It's not an "Acknowledge the flaws of your hero" thing, it's a "FUCK THIS HACK BUT I'LL APE HIS STYLE AND WRITE A COMIC USING HIS CREATIONS" thing.

HEY! As a reader of heavy metal, I can tell you, that you're absolutely right...
kill me

yeah it's kinda painful but funny to see how wrong/misconceptions they are

In what way?

I mean, Neonomicon was written on a very superficial foundation. Moore didn't do much research into the stories and just slapped something together.

Providence was way more than that, he looked for commonalities and context and biographical input.
Does he have criticisms of Lovecraft? Not really, I think that he appreciates the atmosphere and Lovecraft's bigotry was portrayed as well it could be.

>assumptions about the assumtions of others.

Nah, I was just attempting to point out he doesn't always get it right. And the work where he fucked it up still exists and is still irredeemable shit and part of his bib forever and ever.

Reminder that Alan Moore directly caused edgy capeshit and try hard "deconstruction" of the cape genre (see: treating superheroes as if they live in the real world).

A pastiche is a work that attempts to imitate the style or character of the work of another artist. Derleth's The Lurker at the Threshold is an overt Lovecraft pastiche. It exists to capture the style and character of Lovecraft's work. It should be obvious to anyone who is not hostile to Moore and cares what words mean that the same is not true of Moore's Providence.

>This is the number one HPL comic related thing.
That isn't John Coulthart.

>directly caused
Those were the moron editors telling incompetent writers to emulate Watchmen for repeat critical acclaim and commercial success, with neither group understanding what made Watchmen great.

Appreciating Moore depends partly on the reader having a decent knowledge of comic books written by people other than Grant Morrison or writers approved by Grant Morrison. So I can see why you don't get much out of him.

Given the OP, what were you expecting?

that would be O'Neils Batman and Millers Daredevil

>Has literally not read the comic

>directly caused

What the shit are you even talking about? There isn't one ounce of deconstruction in either of those comics. O'Neil's Batman is just Gothic horror mixed with pulpy hardboilerd detective fiction mixed with some some Taxi Driver urban hell and Miller's DD is just an updated Eisner Spirit

>deconstruction
There's very little of that in Watchmen as well, and whatever aspect of the comic can be argued as a "deconstruction" has nothing to do with what made the comic great.

O'Neils Batman is this martial arts master with all sort of weaknesses, a very human-like and serious character
Miller DD was probably the first huge success of a dark themed realistic cape

>worship my obscure snake god

I want the hack to finish Halo Jones and 1963

>Alan Moore worships Glycon in the full knowledge that the snake god was revealed to be a handpuppet in Antiquity.
After that it gets a bit meta.

I guess I should just have said idea leach instead.

>I want the hack to finish Halo Jones
I don't. It's been too long.

Like the Charlston characters in Watchmen.

>Watchmen attempts to reproduce the style and character of Charlton comics
In b4 it turns out you think character = individual Charlton superheroes.

Is this supposed to be Randolph Carter riding into the dream city on nightgaunts?

So, the idea that forms the basis for Providence also forms the basis for a Lovecraft story?

What is the idea, and which Lovecraft story?

Seriously that was so fucking immature and pathetic. Has Morrison ever said something similarly shitty?

The Haunter of the Dark

>Has Morrison ever said something similarly shitty?
Apart from admitting that he was shitty to Moore just to garner attention for himself in the comics world?

So you don't understand allusion either?

>ITT Moorefags invalidate the opinions of others with assumption and projection.
So it's the usual then.

So is Providence his only work you've read user?
I love all his original characters, especially Mina Harker, Nemo and the rest. How could one fellow come up with so many cool OCs? I am especially fond of his never read Ian Fleming version of James Bond.
He is truly the most original fellow ever!

You are fucking priceless. Never change.

Moore writes Ok level deconstructions, parodies, reconstructions and homages to classic comic book stereotypes with an above average prose. To his fans, that means he is literally God. I have to due notice to his prose, it's honestly the best among comic writers. He might not be the best at creating atmosphere or creating good pacing or writing characters or avoiding tropes, but he has an amazing prose, at little too "trying-to-hard-to-be-Kurt-Vonnegut" (you notice this specially in his letter responses, too filled with long parenthesis tangents and flowery over-description), but still the best in the business.

>Earnestly believes that the tone and themes of Watchmen are a pastiche of Charlton comics.

>Genuinely unable to distinguish between allusion and story idea.

>Morrison's comics, with the exception of The Invisibles, are very straightforward narratives.
>There are two possibilities here:
>1. You haven't actually read them.
>2. You're a complete idiot who can't follow anything more complex than a Bendis Event.

Moore really should have pulled a Gaiman in the 90s and moved to novels.

My respect for Lynch went down slightly after that documentary about that new age group/cult that he is a high-ranking member of.

It's unsurprising that he threatened the man who shot it with legal action. Lynch was really, really cringe-inducing in it. Quite sad.

Well, Jerusalem is long enough to make up for that.

A friend in publishing got me an uncorrected proof a few months ago.
Prose in nice.

Lynch can only dream of being Jodorowsky.

Has Morrison ever been diagnosed narcissistic personality disorder?

he diagnosed himself as a woman

>directly caused

Go fuck yourself and after you've finished comming, blow your brains out.

The idea that an innovator should be punished because of all the hacks that swarmed to the originals success is absurd. Moore isn't to blame that so many mediocre writers took the wrong messages from Watchmen and made shit comics.