So, was communism actually that bad?

So, was communism actually that bad?

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No it wasn't because the ussr was pretty conservative despite being "far left". Last time I checked there was no Trans acceptance or safe spaces in Soviet Russia. I'd honestly rather live in the ussr than in America, the bastion of freedom, today.

>I'd honestly rather live in the ussr than in America
lmao

Yes.

Maybe because the USSR and the USA swapped places geographically after the cold war

What's so funny about it? You like the conditions of the society you live in? Do you enjoy Facebook debates about gender neutrality and black lives matter?Western society has gone to shit bud, give me the ussr please you can stay here and enjoy the splendors of Jewish capitalism and multiculturalism. Soviet Russia was essentially an empire, they didn't give rights or allow "diversity" they forced their conquered people to become Russian.

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No, only angry little racist egalitarians and contrarians say otherwise, hence why Sup Forums is full of righties trying to compensate.

Like I said, the USA is far worse today than the USSR was. It didn't switch places, the bulk of the shit we bitch about here didn't exist in the USSR at all.

Do you have any idea how poor people were in USSR?

Would subjugate eastern europe again\10.

GET OUT!

GETOUTGETOUTGETOUTGETOUTGETOUT

No. It was even worse.

I dunno, lets ask the millions that died from starvation

>He'd rather give up first world living standards just to go somewhere less "degenerate"
lmao

Come one, i know you like it.

yes, pure evil.

Yes

you know how Eastern Bloc nationals were largely forbidden from leaving? yeah

yes.

You know how actually everyone was forbidden from leaving in any way?

>all these butthurt loser countries itt
No it wasn't

not completely, people like truck drivers or international teachers etc. could leave but you needed connections

yes

This isn't an argument, but, nothing has changed since then

not even bait

Yeah I don't really care for first world living standards, people have lived fulfilling lives in worse conditions. You're the prime example of the problem with the west, you're too comfortable to give a shit about anything. God forbid you do something and invest yourself for a greater purpose, you might miss the season finale of game of thrones, can't have that can we?

10+ million dead of starvation should tell you everything you need to know

>American education
you're confusing modern liberal and conservative with classic liberal and conservative

Pure free market capitalism is great, but it cannot purely exist, and every way in which it cannot purely exist, contain small hints of the what and why of 'communism' and socialism. maybe... Because a fundamental tennant historical of human society has been based on cooperation; the later systems lean more toward absoluter cooperation, while pure free market capitalism is closest to pure personal/family freedom to compete and choose who and how to cooperate. All the 'problems' of capitalism relate to that it does not necessarily care about people, or at least not all people; while the other systems foundations seem to be something like, caring about the well being of all citizens of a nation.

You needed a visa from the ussr authorities for going into another country. They needed were given only in exceptional cases. Shit like tourism, business, as you can imagine, got you on a trip to the concentration camp, you filthy burgeois, so the only way was international competitions/things that helped the ussr propaganda machine.

yes

You have to look at the ex-communist countries to understand.
Yes, it was that bad.

>capitalism discourages cooperation
one of the production factors is labour. Employees use the employers machines to work, the employer gives them a part of the production. Socialism is about coordination, not cooperation, you work together because a dictator tells you what to do.

>Black Book of Communism
Into the trash it goes.

>10 million dead of starvation
Sounds a bit high.

Daily reminder that the only place of true and absolute freedom is on the open sea.

And Somalia.

At least most poor people there had a job, education and house (as modest as they were).

>saving that
>posting that

Stalin did nothing wrong.

how long do you think you would last in somalia as a white guy? like if you had weapons and shit.

You have to sleep sometime. Without some kind of a fortress I don't see it working.

just crawl into a hole at night to sleep or something like they train you too in the military.

Were there safe spaces and trans acceptance in Cold War America?

18 minutes + 3 days time for your home country to pay ransom.

I read stories of people getting kidnapped right at the fucking airport, 10 minutes after they landed.

Yes. They used more resources to create inferior products. Centralized planning of an economy is fucking retardedly hard to manage. Using your resources in a manner best fitting is achieved through price. If I can make a computer chip using silicon and you can make your tits bigger using silicon (bad example but you get the point) whoever is willing to pay the right price to achieve sufficient RoI is using that resource effectively. The USSR was notoriously bad at managing resources, hell India saw the USSR model as a golden calf to imitate. Right up until the house made of playing cards folded and they couldn't keep information from escaping to the light of day.

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Obviously it was terrible. Nothing like our diverse and enriched societies.

No because they were scared shitless of nuclear war with USSR. Now that you only have ragtag bands of shitskins as potential enemies (and Russia to some extent) you have become lax and allowed social justice to take over your "culture".

Cold War era America was far superior to anything you have right now.

No.

Living in the Somalian wilderness, maybe you could avoid large packs of them and survive with a hidden foxhole as you describe. In Mogadishu you would be raped, skinned alive and eaten.

ye, how often do you think a somali woman gets raped a day?

That's why I'm asking this clearly commie underage shitskin why he wouldn't just want to live in 50s - 90s America or something. Why go to a poor, cold, famined country?

Probably at least twice, I imagine African women don't even care what happens to them anymore at some point they just accept their fate

I thought socialism/communism are based on needs/desires starting from the universal fundamentals, and making sure they are met

>Working class desperately tries to flee from the workers' paradise
Yes it was probably quite shit.

Faggotry and Trans and all that sort of thing are a produce of Western Liberalism (Capitalism), not Communism, not that Communism is a good thing, it's just Liberal Capitalism represents the death of the nation and rise of the individual.

Do you think monopolies should be able to exist? What is the deal with those 'money companies' that buy up a bunch of other companies, and then they keep consolidating. Is that kind of monopoly, or progressing toward, should that be allowed to happen? One capital bank, that owns all the biggest companies? If all the biggest fish could come together and buy out everyone below, should that be able to happen?

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Just watch this with as much capability of sympathy as you'd watch one of those jewish fabrications and then be a judge of how bad it was.

Monopolies appear inevitably. The socialist state is also effectively controlled by a ruling elite. Ultimately, it all comes down to the fittest climbing up the hierarchic steps of whatever form a monopoly takes. Then he throws the ones below him the bones remaining from his meal.
Communism is a fucking meme. It is supposed to be the form of the market humanity acquires after the technological break-through is so advanced that machines do all the work for humans. Marx was impressed by what the industrial revolution had achieved and decided that it was the time back then to turn all the economies to shit, give them to the incompetents, because they will somehow be governed as well as previously and grow indefinitely. In fact, some argue that communism will be easier reached through capitalism, by the strong corporations lead by their forever hungry leaders.

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None of the population records I've found for China in that time indicate a massive drop in population. If the famines were anywhere near as bad as claimed, birth rates would be dismally low (malnutrition and lack of food decreases fertility severely), so birth rates aren't covering it up.

Because that wasn't the point I was making you thick headed moron, OP asked if communism is really that bad, I replied saying that regardless of what it was I'd rather live in the USSR than modern America. If this was a post about what fantasy land id rather live in, I'd have said something else. I wasn't talking about where I'd love to live my imaginary life and why.

Nah, dawg, it was great. Central planning is much more efficient than the exploitative free market.

>was communism actually that bad?

It was way worse...

The leaders of Communism are All JEWS
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The Secret Holocaust - The real holocaust was a Christian Holocaust by Jews of sixty-six million, mostly Christians.
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Communist Atrocities and War Crimes from 1918 - 1945
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Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'
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NWO: Communism By The Backdoor
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You have the communiggers to thank for just about everything wrong in the world today.

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All I know is I've seen what life was like for the average schmuck under communism between the 50's-90's in USSR vs the Evil Capitalist Empires of the West

I'll take being a comfortable schmuck over a half starved penniless schmuck

Plus all Communism does is replace the Jewish Bankers that run our world with Government Officials that rule our world.

>Confusing conservative cultural values with right wing economics

hahaha oh man, you seem like the type of person that wants to support eugenics to end degeneracy but we all know you'd be the first to go.

It benefits the breeding of subhumans

During Warsaw, no. During Soviet Union, very much so.

In early 1960s Poland, if you wanted to leave (permanently), it worked like this:
>Get a passport
>apply for a visa to your country of choice
>apply for a permit to emigrate from Poland, which was distributed based on a lottery system
>wait

This is how my father left Poland (he lived in Katowice) in 1962, and how my mother left in 1965 (no they weren't married then).

I don't think so, I'm relatively healthy and strong, no diseases in my family, no insanity. I think I would be fine, thanks for the concern though.

Truck drivers had it easy, they were the only fags who had access to imported goods. They were the engineers of today.

It wasn't too hard to get imported/outside stuff, you just needed to find someone who was selling or bartering for it. The authorities barely gave a shit most of the time, unless you were already in trouble for something else. Honestly the hardest part was finding someone who was selling.

Kinda like drugs desu

>authorities barely gave a shit most of the time
They would send you to the mines if they cought you trying to sneak stock to the public, which is a death sentence.
There were no imported things available to the people legally.

Yes, that's true, but they cared less about the people who actually had those illegal black-market imports. The dealers, the distributors, they would be facing harsh sentences if caught, but usually the police wouldn't bother to scour Pawel's house for illegal American CDs unless he was already being investigated for some other crime -- then they'd just throw everything they could at you.

A lot of low-level bureaucrats and party members had illegal stuff too.