DAILY REMINDER >Cyclops is an emotional wreck who can't actually function >Cheated/left Multiple wives >Kicked Professor X out of the leadership of the X-Men, only to accept Magneto and his Consigliere >Created a kill squad to preemptively stop mutant threats that was directly responsible for creating multiple attacks on Mutantkind during the Utopia era >Created a second Genosha via public spat with the head of HAMMER, creating a target for mutant-haters everywhere >Okayed/ordered emotionally traumatized/unwell teenagers killing his opponenets >decided to okay Child Soldiers in the X-Men, despite capable adults being there to do their job >Trained Hope for the Phoenix via physical abuse >Started a war with the Avengers because muh phoenix >As Phoenix, refused to restart the mutant gene and created a palace for himself, went Dark Phoenix, and killed Professor X >Decided to further imperil mutants via nervous breakdown disguised as "militant revolution", dragged teenagers and college aged kids into said revolution, barely trained them, then dumped them onto the other X-Men >did more to set back human-mutant relations than anyone since Magneto, who is now one of his closest allies
How can one man have been so wrong?
Cooper Peterson
Daily reminder that the X-men aren't ONLY x-gene mutants and that inhumans are mutants and that everything about this bullshit universe development screams rights dispute and that Storm or literally any genius/supergenius could have found a resolution for this bullshit before we reached this point and that Wolverine won't stay dead.
Ayden Garcia
>How can one man have been so wrong? I don't know.
How do you manage it?
X gonna give it to ya
Justin Ortiz
Don't forget that he got kek'd by a fish man.
Seriously, do people not remember that?
Jose Brown
>>Cyclops is an emotional wreck who can't actually function
And yet mutants as a species can't function without him. Look at what they've done since they turned their backs on him.
>Cheated/left Multiple wives
AKA ladies fuck him.
>Kicked Professor X out
Kicked out the guy who literally made him, a man who grew up an orphan, forget about what little family he had so he would stay on his personal army.
>Created a kill squad to preemptively stop mutant threats
Good.
>Created a second Genosha
Made a homeland for an oppressed people.
>Allowed a teenager to save the lives of herself and others. ...
>decided to okay Child Soldiers in the X-Men
The exact same as every other person who ever ran the X-men. Another way to look at it is that he trains children to protect themselves from a world trying to kill them.
>Trained Hope hard. ...
>Started a war with the Avengers because muh phoenix
Stood up to a fascist superhuman army trying to invade the last best home for his people.
>As Phoenix, did what he could for everyone on Earth, eventually having to fight for his own live defending himself from Xavier and his thugs who were trying to kill him, and by doing so dooming his people and the Earth. ...
>Kept mutants alive through the most perilous time in their entire existance.
The fact there are mutants for humans to hate right now is because Scott saved their asses.
>How can one man have been so wrong?
I don't know, OP. How are you so wrong?
Elijah Morris
>Daily reminder that this guy doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Jack Price
Keep thinking that's someone throwing a brick at a Muslim woman.
Ryder Green
>Implying Scott isn't a muslim woman
Chase Torres
namor is beyond based, he keks everything by existing, so that's a pass
this is awful cyclops damage control. OP has solid points
Jackson Bell
>OP has solid points
OP pls go and stay go
Jaxson Fisher
Hank, don't you have experiments to run on yourself? I'm sure that this time you can turn yourself into a furry blue giraffe.
Noah Cooper
I seriously defy somebody to find a better leader than cyke, he is not perfect, but ets look at our other choices. >Storm idiot, incompetent, cant stop mists even when its in her power set Magneto Modern version is just Cyclops lite >Wolverine Hypocrite, murderer, loose cannon, non-team player, pedophile, also not paricularly intelligent. Profe
Easton Smith
>AKA ladies fuck him.
No, AKA he left Madelyne Pryor and their newborn son the second he saw his old girlfriend on TV and went off to fuck around with his old buddies playing superhero on the other side of the country without even telling Maddy.
Ryder Wood
>not paricularly intelligent. pfft
Jason Perry
>Profe
Did you have a stroke or something while posting this?
William Peterson
OP here, I'm posting this because I seriously do think the Cyclops has largely been wrong, has done more harm than good for Mutantkind, and has to have his actions mitigated by the likes of the X-Men not affiliated with him to maintain the reputation of the team in the larger global community.
While he was in charge: >San Fransisco move, that's largely a failure. >The rest of the X-Men line up behind him and put their faith in him to come up with a plan since that's what he asked for in Messiah Complex, and he largely plays the game of "let's not let anyone die", despite his kill squad being directly responsible for the dangers faced by them in Necrosha and Second Coming, His fight the Dark Avengers forcing mutantkind onto a rock that wasn't even livable or fully functional when he moved the majority of mutantkind to it, his Ex-Wife being a major thorn to his side that was responsible for the severe physical traumatization of at least one minor, and put the lives of most mutants in danger, >created a PR campaign to win public acclaim that he largely abandoned and then 180'd with the Extinction Team, >harbored multiple planetary threats in the Brig without trial, >kicked professor X off the team and largely wrote him off for his editorially mandated secrets when he came back, while simultaneously being cool with Magneto and Namor of all people becoming part of his inner circle
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Luke Sanchez
>okayed the use of child soldiers that he raised to have a "fight for survival", cultish militaristic lifestyle, abused Hope, the one basket he placed ALL of his eggs in, because somehow that would prep her for phoenix, instead of doing something like taking her to her aunt who had successfully managed to host the phoenix, just because muh schism. >When he GOT the phoenix, he decided to create an authoritative benevolent dictatorship instead of actually trying to restart the mutant gene, and killed Professor X. >He then followed all this up with a nervous breakdown in which he gathered up impressionable high school and college aged kids, convinced them to join a militaristic revolutionary movement without having a goal in mind, endangered their lives multiple times, and them dumped them on Logan's school when he got tired of it all >He then ignited a race war with the inhumans, putting mutants not only in the crosshairs of Humans, but Inhumans as well
I would argue mutants were brought back from the brink largely in spite of Cyclops' actions, rather than because of them, with the Notable exception of Second Coming. Cyclops absolutely stepped up in Second Coming. But in the time from Messiah Complex to Second Coming, and all his actions post Schism, his actions or ideologies really helped save mutantkind. He wasn't the one who helped Hope master the Phoenix, he wasn't the one working to build up the reputation of Mutants and the X-Men around the world again, that was Wolverine's crew, and he allowed himself to become the public face of fear because of his nervious breakdown, and the majority of his actions of Bendis's run didn't really help mutants so much as hinder them. So yes, I do think Cyclops was largely wrong. I think there are several characters, such as Professor X, Storm (not getting flanderized by Editorial), Rogue, Shadowcat, Cannonball, hell even Logan to an extent, that could have or DID do more to help mutants than he did during this time.
Xavier Green
>>kicked professor X off the team and largely wrote him off for his editorially mandated secrets when he came back, while simultaneously being cool with Magneto and Namor of all people becoming part of his inner circle Magneto brought Kitty back. Namor is an absolute powerhouse.
Lincoln Williams
If only the movies ever allowed him to be so interesting.
Jackson Cruz
You did a really bad job with this.
Isaac Torres
>Cheated/left Multiple wives Jefferson. FDR. JFK. MLK. LBJ. McCain. Clinton. Schwarzenegger. >Kicked Professor X out of the leadership of the X-Men, only to accept Magneto and his Consigliere Xavier mind-wiped Cyclops to remove EXISTENCE of his baby brother from his memory, knowingly enslaved an AI for decades, and was only sorry for being found out. Magneto came out humble, dropped to both knees, repented, and kissed the fucking ring. >Created a kill squad to preemptively stop mutant threats that was directly responsible for creating multiple attacks on Mutantkind during the Utopia era >Created a second Genosha via public spat with the head of HAMMER, creating a target for mutant-haters everywhere >Okayed/ordered emotionally traumatized/unwell teenagers killing his opponenets Had Cyclops not moved the X-Men to San Francisco AND created a kill squad, even more of his students would have died in car bombs and raids on the mansion by religious zealots and hunter-killer robots and genetically modified mutant eating doggies. Had Cyclops not stood up to Norman Osborn and moved all of his people to Utopia with a massive TV presence, mutants would have been put in internment camps and shadow facilities. >decided to okay Child Soldiers in the X-Men, despite capable adults being there to do their job This is literally X-Men, the comic. This has always literally been X-Men, the comic. OG X-Men. New Mutants. Generation X. >Trained Hope for the Phoenix via physical abuse >Started a war with the Avengers because muh phoenix Cyclops was right. >As Phoenix, refused to restart the mutant gene and created a palace for himself, went Dark Phoenix, and killed Professor X Refused to restart the mutant gene? No no no no, it never came up in the comic because Jason Aaron is a hack. They never addressed it one way or the other the entire time the P5 were running around.
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Carter Hill
>FDR >LBJ >Clinton >Schwarzenegger Not helping your case. >Magneto came out humble, dropped to both knees, repented, and kissed the fucking ring. And saved Kitty from space. >Had Cyclops not moved the X-Men to San Francisco AND created a kill squad, even more of his students would have died in car bombs and raids on the mansion by religious zealots and hunter-killer robots and genetically modified mutant eating doggies. Aye. >Had Cyclops not stood up to Norman Osborn and moved all of his people to Utopia with a massive TV presence, mutants would have been put in internment camps and shadow facilities. It was actually already happening. Wasn't Beast incarcerated at the onset of that? >This is literally X-Men, the comic Shit justification >>Trained Hope for the Phoenix via physical abuse She could've stolen his jetpack at anytime too, but she chose to stay. >>Started a war with the Avengers because muh phoenix I think he could've handled that better. However, the Avengers "response" to Scott telling them to piss off was horseshit and contrived as all fuck. Scott was ultimately right. >restart the mutant gene Didn't Wanda and Hope ultimately do this? Scott knew the Phoenix could be the thing to do it for them, so half-right points to him.
All in all, that's like 5 rights to 1 not-even-wrong. Cyclops was right; OP on suicide watch.
Robert Flores
>As Phoenix, refused to restart the mutant gene and created a palace for himself, went Dark Phoenix, and killed Professor X >Decided to further imperil mutants via nervous breakdown disguised as "militant revolution", dragged teenagers and college aged kids into said revolution, barely trained them, then dumped them onto the other X-Men Xavier fucks Mystique and retroactively has a love-child running around right now? So does Wolverine? None of the time-travel stuff made sense. Wolverine disappears with no explanation. Dark Beast is the eeeevil villain behind their powers messing up because reasons never explained. Wolverine is a hypocritical jerkass. Beast is a hypocritical jerkass who even annoys the Watcher. Kitty is the special snowflake. Yeah... I really can't explain the Bendis run. >did more to set back human-mutant relations than anyone since Magneto, who is now one of his closest allies did more to keep the mutant race from being killed off than anyone ever Scott Summers saved the mutant race from genocide.
Brody Gutierrez
Truly Cyclops is the most right. OP BTFO.
Charles Jackson
The thing is, if Wolverine and Cyclops didn;t exist and fought over Jean's pussy mutants would have been accepted in society already.
Ethan Morgan
Jesus, Sup Forums is full of some dumb people. Is every post and every thread about how nobody understands the things the comicbooks already explained?
Gavin Bailey
>reasons never explained.
literally
Carson Hall
go to bed Ike
Ryan Roberts
>tfw Issue 19 of Gillen's run
>I am fighting a man with claws >I am fighting a man with claws >I am fighting a man with claws
Jayden Ward
>passive aggressively kept secrets from beast, one of the most intelligent marvel characters and one of the O5 >after magneto said "send these kids back to their own time", cyclops said that it didn't matter >both he and emma celebrate their hypocrisy together, which forms the bonds of their short-lived relationship
>AKA ladies fuck him
we should also mention he has the shittiest fans
pic related
>JEEEEEEAAAAN
Tyler Wright
>wasn't beast incarcerated at the onset of that
pretty sure he was. and when he came back, no one brought him up to speed. iceman talked down to him, they didn't even ask for his advice or input.
correction: mutants were put in shadow facilities already. there's already a history of that. beast was in a shadow facility. when he came back, he wasn't consulted about what should be done. it was pretty shitty of the writers to turn the other characters against him.