Some of his positions (anti-free trade) have lived mostly in the far-left fringes for decades, some of them are much more liberal than Clinton herself, who is unsurprisingly pulling support from Republican elites and GOP foreign policy advisors like Brent Snowcroft. Aside from the extreme nativism, Trump's rise is a clear win for infiltrating the right with progressive economic policy.
Trump is a marked rejection of the Reagan-era conservative movement. On trade and foreign policy alone he is closer to Bernie Sanders than Clinton. His rise shows us that Republican voters have absolutely no loyalty to conservative economic policy or foreign policy... in fact many of them reject it.
This thread's rise is a win for OP's dick sucking efforts.
Lucas Young
I don't see anything "conservative" about global trade fucking over our first world nations by offshoring jobs to pajeet and ling ling. Its always been bullshit and most conservative leaning people know it.
Parker Russell
.02 cents have been deposited into your account, thank you for standing with Hillary and Correcting the Record™!
Jeremiah Cooper
Except you are referring to Trump's economic viewpoints as progressive solely to start shit. The voters determine what is "conservative," not Paul Ryan.
Jordan Collins
Maybe you don't know much about the history of Capitalism, but Free Trade was an ideal proposed by the father of Capitalism himself, Adam Smith. That free markets and free trade go hand-in-hand as a lessening of government intervention in transactions between individuals.
Here in the US, the recent Free Trade movement began with the conservative demigod of our time... Reagan.
Nathan Bailey
>The voters determine what is "conservative," not Paul Ryan.
Historical precedence determines what is "conservative"...
Jaxon Jackson
>m-muh appeal to history
Ok, if you want to appeal to history, then the only thing right wing is the fucking monarchy, so Jeb should be president.
Caleb Campbell
Reagan is idealized as something he wasn't. Reagan was a progressivist liberal. He advanced gun control, free trade, and raised minimum wage.
Jeremiah Hill
Reagan is one of the reasons modern republicans are in such a precarious position and why democrats are so strong. You will not find many Reaganites on pol.
Robert Hall
You are literally trying to label progressive policies as "conservative" and it's fucking hilarious how clueless you are.
I think this is the absolute genius in Trump's rise, that Cletus in Alabama has no fucking clue that he is supporting trade and foreign policy positions that are nearly identical to Bernie Sanders. He doesn't really care because "muh wall". Trump has achieved more than the far-left fringes of the Democratic party have been trying to do for fucking decades.
Meanwhile... Mitt Romney, John McCain, Glenn Beck, Paul Ryan, Bill O'Reilly are all butthurt crying because the conservative movement is dead and progressive trade and foreign policy is winning.
I fucking love it.
Mason Miller
>progressivist liberal >advanced free trade
Free trade was literally conceptualized by the father of capitalism you clueless idiot. Free markets and free trade go hand-in-hand as a rejection of government intervention in transactions between individuals.
Read Adam Smith's 'Wealth of Nations' for a starter on capitalism.
Kevin Fisher
>You will not find many Reaganites on pol.
Right, well American Conservatism and National Socialism are pretty radically fucking different.
Eli Johnson
I'm very happy that the party of neocon sellouts is dead. Nor do I know why Cletus in Alabama particularly cares to define his existence as opposition to Bernie.
You're going to have to share your mental gymnastics as to how the democrats, who even Salon admits are more in bed with big business than the republicans, are the real right wingers and the new republicans are the real left wingers.
Justin Hernandez
Fuck I replied to myself, this was meant for (((you))) ...
John Long
Okay. You're still going to have to explain why exactly free trade is more integral to right wing beliefs than, say, the monarchy. We gave it a try, it was a catastrophic failure that diminished our standing in the world and has led to wages becoming completely fucked with regards to purchasing power etcetera etcetera.
No shit Bernie opposed it (past tense). He used to recognize open borders as a Kock brothers proposal, before he became a shill for open borders and for HRC.
Ryan Roberts
>share your mental gymnastics
That's question for these Establishment Republicans who not only oppose Trump, but now support Clinton...
Anyway, if you understood anything about trade or foreign policy this wouldn't be too hard to understand, that Trump is not only a radical departure from conservatives on these issues but a move to the far-left.
Luis Taylor
Reagan was pretty shit and he fucking shat all over goldwaters ideals, the best a thing reagan did was rally the christians to republicanism and finish the southern shift.
Nixon was a better conservative than Reagan (nixons crimes pale in comparison to Hillary anyway), Reagan ushered in the era of the neo-con and one step forward two steps back.
I'm still solidly convinced Gerald Ford was the best post-eisenhower republican president and it's a goddamned crying shame more conservatives don't model after him
Kayden Scott
>That's question for these Establishment Republicans who not only oppose Trump, but now support Clinton...
Yes, the neocon fifth column I've hated for 10-20 years of course would decloak and side with HRC when faced with Trump. Do you think there's anyone on pol other than Robespierre who likes neoconservatism?
They're just slightly hawkish dems.
>Trump is not only a radical departure from conservatives on these issues but a move to the far-left.
The guys fleeing the Republican party are literal departures. Neocons quite literally do not own the title of "conservative," they're by definition lefties who infiltrated the Republican party to try to co-opt it.
The mere fact that "foreign policy elites" are siding with HRC should ring massive alarm bells. These are the nimrods who repeatedly support arming terrorists.
Henry Gray
This really begins with capitalism itself. When Adam Smith conceptualized the "free market", he added free trade along with it as a freedom of transaction between individuals and breakdown of the barriers that government imposes on trade and markets.
As long as the right-wing conservative movement has advocated for free market capitalism over government intervention, they have included free trade. It goes hand-in-hand.
You explain to me the mental gymnastics you had to go through to convince yourself that raising taxes on US consumer up to 45% for goods is somehow conservative, or how more government intervention in economics is conservative, or how arbitrarily and artificially protecting certain industries and companies from competition is "conservative". I'm very curious as to how you reconcile this.
Gabriel Watson
>free trade >good
Caleb Williams
To put it bluntly Nixon's southern shift dragged Reagan along for the ride. Nixons wild support in the south and Reagans loss in that primary made reagan go the southern pandering evangelical route in future elections and win the presidency.
Republicans tend to over credit Reagan when he really just rode on the success wave of Nixons southern shift. It actually cannot be understated that Nixon and Goldwater are among the most brilliant republican strategists
Wyatt Morris
Adam smith also didn't live in an era where you could outsource even the fucking baker's job.
Luke Cook
And I only say this because Nixon got caught, because Nixon actually did great shit in office
Ryan Jenkins
Price control was kind of a bad idea.
Samuel Wright
The Republican party was founded to combat slavery, primarily because it made free laborers noncompetitive. If you can't see the parallel you are blind. If it is not in the best interests of the American worker, it should not exist.
You know perfectly well the constitution authorizes tariffs and that the founding fathers were against free trade. I don't know what sort of mental retardation is required to think they were not conservative enough.
Matthew Edwards
Today's neo-con was yesterdays Family values and christian democrat, we pander to them to much, when we do not have to at fucking all.
The democrap party today is so far gone from when they left it, hell it's lost most of the catholic and union vote (unionized working class whites are simply not voting democrat anymore, and more and more union members are having dues witheld from politicking that the current unions have less than 30% of it's dues available for political action).
There is literally no where else for them to go
Nicholas Ross
Okay, current economic woes aside... free trade is wholly a conservative ideal. The idea literally began with capitalism and is the epitome of less government intervention in transactions between individuals.
Opposition to free trade, is a support of larger government intervention in transactions between individuals.
I see a lot of people have trouble reconciling or accepting the fact that they come have to support progressive trade policies identical to Bernie supporters. It's fucking hilarious.
Jace Butler
Who cares? You're making a big deal about the label more than anything else. Are you one of those guys that talks about liberatrianism like it's their fucking religion?
Julian Hall
Share with us your great insights as to why George Washington, Thomas Jefferson Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt are not ideal role models for modern conservatives and why we should go with the economic policies of the likes of, for example, Bill Clinton.
Why do you so badly hate the values this country was founded upon?
Joseph Martin
Free trade aint free
Colton Long
The main problem with "Free Trade" is it does not exist. There is no such thing as "Free Trade" when you are trading with, for example, a Chinese State Owned Enterprise that can get all the subsidies and government help it needs to become a dominant market player. You can wax eloquent on "Free Trade" until we're both blue in the face, you from talking too much and me from hanging myself, but as long as "Free Trade" continues to not exist, it won't make a difference.
While supporting "Free Trade" has been a conservative principle, I would argue that it's not an essential conservative principle, and I would gladly sacrifice "Free Trade" in order to preserve things that I value more highly, such as a robust manufacturing sector and better employment oppurtunities for Americans, because I see those as important preconditions for conservative principles I value more highly, such as the Rule of Law (Which is the ultimate conservative principle in the United States)
Leo Fisher
Conservatism and Capitalism are not strictly tied to Adam Smith. On the inverse, a government that does not charge duties and tariffs needs to get it's money from somewhere. There used to be a time when tariffs/duties and the taxation of interstate commerce was all the government needed to function.
Free Trade, today, is not conservative strictly, it's globalist, and internationalist liberals support it too.
Adam smith also lived in a time when worldwide free trade meant "the civilized world and it's colonies", he didn't imagine that the means of industrial production could be so readily exported to other countries to take advantage of cheap labor
Julian Ward
What the fuck are you talking about?
The Republican Party was the party of big government and centralized power, while the Democratic Party was the party of limited government and states' rights at the time. You know absolutely fucking nothing about the history of American politics if you just compared Civil War Republican policy to current GOP platform as if it is at all relevant.
The GOP is also the party that introduced the federal income tax. The GOP is also the party that advocated for a national bank at the time.
The GOP is also the party of Teddy Roosevelt, who engaged in trust-busting, environmentalism and also proposed:
- National Health Insurance - Inheritance tax - Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled (Yes, not FDR, but Teddy originally proposed this) - A minimum wage law for women - Other labor laws
The parties realigned several times throughout history. You have no fucking clue what the fuck you are talking about.
>founding fathers were against free trade
First of all, the founding fathers did not all agree on free trade. Free trade, along with free market capitalism was radically new at the time. Many of them appreciated Adam Smith's ideas, but were hesitant to test them out. James Madison, for example, supported Free Trade.
You are so fucking clueless.
Andrew Rogers
Teddy Roosevelt was a fucking liberal... you clueless retard.
He started the progressive movement in US and proposed the following:
- National Health Insurance - Inheritance tax - Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled (Yes, not FDR, but Teddy originally proposed this) - A minimum wage law for women - Other labor laws
As president he enacted trust-busting, environmental conservation and... protectionism.
You really just called the first self-described progressive president in the US a conservative.
Absolutely fucking clueless.
Jace Gonzalez
...and Lincoln introduced the first federal income tax, expanded federal government's role and opposed the Democrats' appeal to states' rights and limited government.
>conservative
Fucking hilarious how clueless you are about the history of politics here in the US.
Ryder Stewart
Yeah just because the Democrats had the south at that time doesn't mean they weren't for big government.
Woodrow Wilson was pretty damned elitist progressive, he shat all over the constitution, pushed the presidential power to new heights and abused them frequently
Caleb Walker
All good things. I now realize you're a triggered lefty who is mad and sad over the fact that his preferred candidate belongs to the party that founded the Klan. 99% of the fucking country, at a minimum, would approve of the modern Republican party being more like its literal and analogous predecessors. Ya got nothing.
He's a hard right white bogeyman by modern standards, dude.
>progressive
Progressive by the standards of the day. Everyone back then is regressive by modern standards, and everyone today is progressive by their standards.
You are triggered HARD.
Bentley Green
>Trumpkins desperate to worship at the altar of Trump because "muh immigrants" redefining what it means to be conservative in order to better hero worship a lying democrat buffoon
Hillary is an evil bitch but Trump and his mob of populist alt-right meme kids are going to ruin conservatism for a generation or more.
Lucas Parker
This.
Years ago Sup Forums was infected with libertarians. They are all gone now because "muh wall".
Nathan Peterson
What it means to be conservative: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt. What it means to be neocon: Faggoty open border America Last retards.
