Cuck Oliver

I fucking hate this guy.

Every single one of his dumb videos is a strawman argument in favor of authoritarianism and socialism.

Why does this keep popping up on my youtube feed even after I click "not interested".

His recent video condemns charter schools and supports awful "public education" systems that have turned americans into absolute retards with poor education.

Charter schools are on average MUCH fucking better for students and have higher graduation rates. He's just lying to people at this point.

This fucking slimy rat with a punchable face.

Holy shit I just want someone to kill him. Why does he have so many views? Is HBO paying youtube?

He panders to leftists/liberals, a demographic which spends a lot of time watching television.

Not sure why British "celebrities" (whatever the fuck you'd call people like him and Morgan) feel the need to give their 2 shitty cents about everything American politics. I know 23 year-olds with more knowledge about US history and government.

>our public schools are shit so the whole concept of public education must be shit
kys

He is mostly a mouthpiece for the producers of the show who obviously support the mainstream Democratic platform. Yes, mainstream sources lie all the time. I get angrier when the NY Times does it, and they do it a lot, but the truth is that comics like Oliver are even more damaging, as more people consume that type of media. No one should trust the mainstream media, including these comics.

What I hate most about comedy shows like the Daily Show is that they have transformed liberal discourse into lying or exaggerating about shit nearly all the time. Listen to what they say about Trump. It is always a lie or an exaggeration. Often times the smug fucks use a sarcastic tone. If Trump keeps saying such crazy things, why do liberals have to constantly lie, exaggerate, and satirize everything he says? You can take any statement, change into into an extreme version, and repeat this inaccurate character in an exaggerated tone. That is all they do. It is annoying as fuck.

The concept of public education is shit.
It was originally developed by the Prussians to make their citizens subservient.

It needs to be privatized completely so the price can come down so that everyone can afford it.

Equality above all user. It doesn't matter if everyone is dumbed down to fuck and underachieves, as long as no one gets ahead and everyone's equal then everything is fine. He is the same as people who oppose grammar schools in England, which I probably would have went to if they existed during my school years.

He's an American celebrity, he'd never make it in England.

Cuck appeals to cucks

>British

Nobody here has heard of him mate. He's a literal nobody that fucked off to America to make a name for himself where he's only a household name to impressionable teens and college students.

He'd get laughed back across the Atlantic if he came and pulled his shit over here.

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Good, get the fuck out.

Because we create them here in giant vats to send to your disgusting country to further subvert and destroy it.

We have been breeding them for years. You wait till we send John Oliver 3.5 over to your shores. Your laughable, obese populace will lap up anything.

You should have thought twice before betraying your masters.

>His recent video condemns charter schools and supports awful "public education" systems that have turned americans into absolute retards with poor education.

That's because results don't matter to people like this. Only the concept of everyone having exactly the same portion of cafeteria slop matters. If half could be upgraded overnight at no extra cost to 5 star meals at lunch, it would be denied on principle for being unfair.

pol is an authoritarian board

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link the video faggot

Sup Forums is not a ideology stfu

Education is better left in public hands.

I went to a private college and it was a fucking joke. An expensive joke.

>Education is better left in public hands.
go fuck yourself.

Public education is a massive failure.
There's no reason why it should be monopolized by the government.

>I went to a private college and it was a fucking joke.
The best colleges in the united states are private.
MIT, Yale, Harvard
Are you dumb.

Shitty daytime TV commercial "colleges" aren't real colleges.

If he really defended public schools then that is a tragedy, especially when there is overwhelming evidence that charter schools can raise school marks of the poorest kids to the same level as the richest kids.

they also happen to be unaffordable for most. implying the west hasn't become the ruling civ by giving its citizens a public education so they could later get a job in the industrialized economy and building a sens eof nationalism. u pointing out the prussians only underlines the virtue of public education. you're an autist who can't seem to realise private education would be unaffordable for most and lead to the decay of literacy and hence civilisation as a whole. education would devolve into a plutocratic privilege of the elite. neoliberal jew

>charter schools
govt. funding w/o govt. oversight. if your education system wasn't so rigid and incompetent this wouldn't be an issue. also enforcing the minimum standards set on charter schools on all public schools would also address the issue

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>Why does this keep popping up on my youtube feed even after I click "not interested".
Because he has the correct opinion to give you. He's haha liberal funny man there to tell you how to think.

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This is like a prisoner smugly laughing at his cell mate for being in jail. We're being subverted by the same globalists you cuck

John Oliver and Piers Morgan where just the start just wait until the beady plan is put into full action.

At least Bill Muhr is funny
This guy sits there with retarded look on his face thinking hes the smarted person on earth
and his show is so badly produced too like jesus how hard is it in 2016

>they also happen to be unaffordable for most.
If it was completely privatized, the price would come down by a very large amount

beady

>govt. funding w/o govt. oversight.
Just privatize the whole fucking thing, what a fucking joke state monopolized education is.

I think allowing bad schools to fail is key to the solution. You can enforce all you like standards in public schools. The results are the same: more and more money given to the school, spent on swimming pools, fancy laboratories and bloating staffs of administrators.

More money should go to the teachers, bad teachers need to be fired, bad administrative cultures need to be rooted out, parents should have a choice where their kids go to school. These are all practical solutions.

How would you enforce minimum standards in schools? You seem to believe that enforcement can come without the threat of annihilation.

I happen to think that threats of annihilation are quintessentially "enforcement", and so we stand agreed - there needs to be more enforcement of minimum standards. Where we disagree is in the nature and mechanisms of the enforcement.

If the school does not do its job as measured by tests, its a bad school, and continuing to fund it, or worse, micro-manage it, is extremely costly and even borderline criminal, considering the human costs of that sort of negligence - a child robbed of his education, which, his parents and society has, by all metrics, overpaid for.

Rather than strip the institution of its autonomy through bureaucratic enforcement - with no real consequences for failure - it would be better to trust the child's education to another, competing institution, which will then have the fruits of its autonomy tested. If it fails, there should be no end to possible replacements.

That's the beauty in my mind of the charter school system. You don't need a bureaucracy in the traditional sense. The bureaucracy is abstracted to a higher level and requires no micro-management. The bureaucracy and its actions are limited to merely a surveying of the merits of various institutions and providing licenses for certain institutions.

COME ON

>Charter schools are on average MUCH fucking better for students and have higher graduation rates.
They're much better by fucking over other schools though you stupid fuck-nugget. Charter schools use public facilities and steal funds.

I've been here for 2 years now and I'm just about as libertarian as it gets.

>price would come down by a very large amount
It would go up user. Right now the price is low because charter schools piggy-back off of the public infrastructure.

>It would go up user.
Are you legitimately retarded?

All education is a building, a teacher and some books.

There's no fucking reason that should be tens of thousands of dollars.

It would be extremely inexpensive, and if it isn't anyone could start their own schools for much less money and a massive profit, simply by lowering the price.

>Charter schools use public facilities and steal funds.
Then privatize it you worthless faggots.

At least charter schools provide much better education for students.

I'm sure that occurs. But you are admitting that with the same infrastructure, charter schools provide a better eduction. Unless you are arguing that charter schools provide a worse education, which is an argument that demands facts.

If the price for a charter school and a public school were the same, which it would be in a voucher economy where the voucher's value is matched to the average spending per student in public schools (~$10,000 per year), charter schools would clearly be a better option.

You're retarded. Either the school would have to lower their standards and buy cheaper things or they would have to charge more, all those teacher salaries and books and matinence cost a whole lot of money, it's not somthing you can infinitley reduce. The free market is terrible for providing good things for everyone, it can only make good thinfs for some at the cost of others.

>Either the school would have to lower their standards
Why?
Please explain why you think this.

>and buy cheaper things or they would have to charge more,
KEK
Dude, computers have gotten cheaper and cheaper over time while the quality has only gone up.

How are you people THIS ignorant of basic economics?

>all those teacher salaries and books and matinence cost a whole lot of money
Books are only expensive due to state control and teachers salaries shouldn't be that high in the first place.

>The free market is terrible for providing good things for everyone
The complete opposite of that is true.
Please move to Venezuela if you're dumb enough to believe that statement.

Fuck I can't believe you retards actually exist.

You have no idea what you're talking about, just fucking kill yourself.

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>govt. funding w/o govt. oversight

M8 how do you think private schools here work?

Charter schools work because they have far more freedom to remove shitty teachers/students and play around with the curriculum more then public schools can.

Parents wouldn't spend 10-20k a year sending their child to a private school unless they could see some value in it.

Piers Morgan is hated in the UK and John Oliver was a nobody. Why does America give British failures air time?

Computers have gotten cheaper because we're able to produce much more, much smaller parts. Theres a much larger surplus today than there was even 10 years ago.
And if you want to pay teachers low salaries then you're not going to get very good teachers. Any good ones will go to where they sre paid more, and schools that want to increse profits would higher cheaper, less experianced or worse teachers that don't give a shit. You can't let the free msrket decide because we already know what ot will decide, it will keep cutting corners until it degrades comepltley. This is what capitalism does. You need a mixture of capitalism and socialism for any system to be feasable, and with education profit should have no place.

> why do we have to satirize everything he says

We don't, he does

Nice post m8, efficient and astute i like it.

The concept of public education is a basis of western civilization. That everyone in society has the same starting point and your merit is what takes you further.

>And if you want to pay teachers low salaries then you're not going to get very good teachers.
We pay super high salaries to teachers today and we get absolute GARBAGE teachers that harm students.

I'm not saying pay teachers pennies.
I'm saying pay them what they're actually worth. There's plenty of good teachers out there that will take work.

>Any good ones will go to where they sre paid more
and those schools would be somewhat more expensive


>it will keep cutting corners until it degrades comepltley.
You can't even fucking spell correctly you delusional retard.
Everywhere the free market works it provides a massive benefit to society. You have absolutely zero evidence to your theories.

Fuck your stagnation, monopolization and poverty.

>This is what capitalism does.
Lel, capitalism creates a massive boom in living standards and decreases poverty worldwide. pic related

Kill yourself.

>and with education profit should have no place.
Why not food? Why should the government not control food?
Go move to Venezuela.

>The concept of public education is a basis of western civilization.
No it's not and I have no idea where you got that delusion from.

>That everyone in society has the same starting point
That has nothing to do with western civilization. You're thinking of communism.

>They're much better
>Charter schools use public facilities and steal funds

So they're providing a superior product with those same facilities and funds as public schools. Do I have your argument correct?

I agree. Great post too btw very comorehensive, I read it all.

Charter schools aren't actually better than public schools, though. Charter schools produce the same results, and often worse results, as public schools, though they are often cheaper.

Usually people mean to say "voucher program" when they say charter schools. In theory, and as practiced in Sweden and Finland, letting parents choose what schools their children attend without discriminating against non-public schools in financing forces schools to become competitive and offer top-flight education at rock-bottom prices, or they go under. If put into practice in America, however, it's just going to flood good white schools with niggers and illegals.

In principle, though, I do think parents should be permitted to choose between charter schools, or Montessori, or Catholic, or public, or whatever, and get their property tax rebated if they choose a non-public school.

>Charter schools produce the same results,
Provide evidence, oh wait you have none.

>In principle, though, I do think parents should be permitted to choose between charter schools, or Montessori, or Catholic, or public, or whatever, and get their property tax rebated if they choose a non-public school.
Public education is basically fascism, It's fucking INSANE you can't choose which school to send your children.

Why hasn't there been an armed revolution against these people?

Retards tend to watch retarded shit, and now more than ever theyre trying to force everyone to watch it.

>Implying US public education isn't contributing to the decline of literacy
>Aus-poster doesn't know what "Common Core" is

Because a certain group of (((people))) control the narrative in our mainstream media.

>Holy shit I just want someone to kill him.

Far too many people who need to be shot in the face, far too little people with the temperament to shoot them.

Public schools are terrible because they aren't tailored to each individual kid. They simply don't care, and that's because of government oversight.

Nobody cares about the children. To all of the teachers there (who most of the time tried to get into another field but fell into teaching as a backup field after they failed) the kids are paperwork. The teacher's job is to get the best test scores, not the best education, for each kid.

Say a kid completely fucks up in Algebra for whatever reason. Most teachers are simply going to rant and rave at the kid (or worse, simply ignore them) instead of trying to help them get better. This is because the teacher has never actually had to make sure anyone absorbed anything, they've just had to repeat shit out of textbooks and get people to write it back down a week later.

This is because the state requires each and every kid to be tracked through their education. Instead of leaving the job of assessment up to the teachers and the parents, everything has to go into massive databases and annual reports that nobody gives a fuck about.

It is unacceptable for a teacher to, say, have a kid pop around during lunch and review what they've learned. No no, that'd be unaccountable. How can we trust the teacher, or the kid, or the parents? No, we must keep numerical track of the student's results, surely this will help.

All this results in is a bunch of kids who have A+'s, trophies and honours everywhere, but no actual education. They don't know how to act in an interview, or teach themselves anything, or any number of useful skills. They just know how to read a bunch of text, condense it into two sentences, and repeat it on a test later on. This results in kids who have drastically shortened attention spans, some lasting only a minute or two.

Either abolish the public education system, start trusting your teachers more, or just accept that it's going to get worse.

John Oliver defends common core.

Holy fuck I hate these people.