The RED pill for Sup Forums

My dear fellow Sup Forumsaks, let me offer you the true RED pill.

As someone who has frequented this site and board for almost a decade now, it is beyond me how you've all missed a specific context of the events in the world around us. Lately, you've, without knowing it seems, started to hit upon some of the points of the proper left, but other things cloud your mind at this time.

Let me explain what I mean by the proper left. In its essence its the value of work, work and work with a pinch of equality on different sides.

The proper left gives value to work and products of work rather then to financial value of the product. The great battle of the second half of 20th century could be described as a conflict between the idea where surplus emerges. In the factory or on the market? Needless to say, the market won, for now.

Left cares about the worker, working and producing, being connected to his work rather than completely abstracted. It wants the worker to get his fair share, to have the right to the full fruits of his labour. Over a century after the Manifesto has been written, we've seen quite a few renderings of how this could come about, but this is the value at it's core.

As for equality, the proper left wants equality between men and women, in rights and especially in the labour section of our society. And as a bit of a disclaimer, before there are people who say that women in the workforce mean less kids, while history and demographics of earlier ages disprove this, I won't go further into this but to point out that the left idea for a division of the day is called the triple eight 8/8/8. Eight hours of sleep, eight hours of work and eight hours of family life. With state subsides day cares and kindergardens, family was a really important part of the lefts idea.

The aberration that calls it self "left" these days hasn't cared about the worker, about his social mobility, his family or proper equality issues in the world for over two decades. It's started to mutate and deform with the idea that we need to fight for 0.015% of the people and now it has morphed into a virtue signaling incoherent monster that seems to be on the path of devouring it self.

Good! Fuck them.

And this shift in perception, that all of you have accepted by calling this abomination "left" is part of the struggle for the real left. Let me explain what I mean.

With the unfettered capitalism we have today and many regulations being removed in the 80s for the financial sector, the surplus that the state expects comes even more today then in the past from the financial markets. For the time being, production of goods is a basis for it, but there are already examples that removal of this need is taking place. In London, a city in which almost nothing is produced but market speculations. Of course, we will always need to produce stuff, but the importance of it is being marginalized. And with that, the importance of the worker is being marginalized as well.

With the influx in immigration, the power of the worker is also hard hit. With more people in the potential work force, the value of one worker is diminished. We had this in the past and so syndicates were form.
BUT with immigrants that were allowed not to integrate until they established their own cultural anchors which will inhibit any further integration for decades to come and the usual "left vs right" divide and identity politics, the unification of the worker class to attain leverage as been relegated to the sphere of abstract thought.

In essence, the worker that inherited all the benefits of those that fought for their own rights is now in a situation that he cannot do almost anything to fight to preserve his rights.

Want to be truly redpilled?

There are kids born in the year 2000s that are having sex right now. I know cause I'm 18 and graduated highschool a couple months ago. It was a wild as fuck shit show in highschool. We all hooked up woth each other

You want more rights? Fuck you, what are you gonna do, make a syndicate with all the divisions identity politics brings, chief among them being the division that came with mass immigration.

What, you managed to unite? Fuck you, I'll just move elsewhere.

What, you want to vote me out of office? Fuck you, I'll divide the country on left and right, young and all, pro-something and against-something.

Simple example on how this has been fabricated and then incorporated into the left is gun rights. I am using this for all your burgers and wanna be burgers out there.

In communist states the idea of national defense was always that yes, there would be an army, but the core of the defense of the state was on its people which were armed and always ready to form a militia. In European communist states it was normal for a family to have a few guns and every able bodied men would, upon turning 18 go to a around year long service into the army to make him ready for a possible mobilization in a case his country needs him.

With all of this being said, it is true that even Marx said that communism, being a global idea, for it's real manifestation needs the work market to be global - it doesn't mean a communist can't be against the trade agreements. And a proper communist should. They are primarily made to exclude (TPP, TTIP and TISA want to exclude BRICS while giving more power to the corporation over state), to harm the leverage of a worker and his general position and they are being made in secrecy, again, excluding the worker and the common folk.

So my dear Sup Forumsaks, you see, the left is under assault and you're a part of it.

It's under assault from the so called "left" with all of its distractions and divisions. It's attacked by those that don't want the worker to have a family so that he can work more or if he does have a family so that he must work without complaining since he is always one paycheck away from financial disaster. It is under attack from big politics that have diluted it's ability to unite for leverage and that has diminished it's chance to vote out them out of office.

This is the context, maybe not the full picture, but still a view that has been missed out here.

KILL YOURSELF, JEW

YOU POST THIS PILPUL EVERY FUCKING SECOND

Wow, you're a fast reader. You managed to read all of that was written and come with this thoughtful reply.

The game was rigged from the start.

There is no left or right. Only jews, and you are a part of the problem.

Stormfag, pls go. Leave the proper discussion to others.

> The proper left gives value to work and products of work rather then to financial value of the product. The great battle of the second half of 20th century could be described as a conflict between the idea where surplus emerges. In the factory or on the market? Needless to say, the market won, for now.

> Left cares about the worker, working and producing, being connected to his work rather than completely abstracted. It wants the worker to get his fair share, to have the right to the full fruits of his labour. Over a century after the Manifesto has been written, we've seen quite a few renderings of how this could come about, but this is the value at it's core.

Well the "proper left" as you call it doesn't seem to understand basic concepts like; what money represents, time preference, voluntary interaction for mutually perceived benefit, the subjectivity of value and the contributions of the employer to the whole process.

In what way can this possibly be the true red pill if it comes across as an ideology of children's ideas?

This idea is fucking stupid OP plus no one cared for the worker better than the nazis with respect to all society's classes.

Main point and red pill is that identity politics and division that people on this board are a part of as well is what those in power want. Everything that has been done, from global deals to immigration to thought police, everything targets the worker, the common man.

It's all that Sup Forums is against of, but it cannot pinpoint the focal point due to the fact that "left" has been discredited with LGBTQIASTD or some other minority, ethnic, religious or which ever.

As for concepts you've mentioned, I would argue that they are distorted in the world we live in from their original sense.

I'll start from and will cover them in a few posts. Before that, I just want to reply to our Greek friend.

So the idea is stupid, but Nazis accepted it?

I don't think I get your point. I think you don't as well, but let me indulge your parroted reply with a question.

How do nat-socialists of Greece cooperate with nat-soc of Turkey, in a world where everyone is ruled by national socialist?

Going beyond the idea that socialism and communism are in their essence global ideas instead of parochial, imagine Europe with each state being ruled over by Nat Soc.

Would they respect each other, how would they trade, allow transit, see each other. With one saying that the Germanic blood is sacred, others saying Anglo blood is above others, Slavs doing the same, Nordics too. Who is right? How do they resolve their dispute?

We already had a moment where every nation saw its self as superior to others and entitled to more living space, resources and wealth at the start of the past century.

Now for the promised reply about the concepts.

Firstly, I disagree that we on the proper left don't understand basic concepts. This claim could have been accepted and left unnoticed, but it is a bold claim non the less.

The issue you might be referring to is that a lot of the people on the side of the workers see effects that are disastrous and attribute all of the parameters that brought it about with the same level of guilt.
It is funny that proper left does this, I agree, especially since they are on the receiving end of that approach when people pull out moments in history when shit went really bad for a lot of people under the banner of hammer and sickle.

No, what money represents isn't really an issue here since I do not advocate for it to be abolished. I like the idea of being able to "store" the value of my labour into a agreed form that I can use to get stuff I need. It is especially useful when you work on a product that cannot be divided between the workers or on products which are of immaterial property, like many services are. While money can still "rot" and lose value like some goods there were used in bartering, it does have a longer shelf life compared to one thing we all need, food. (except a few rare examples of hyper inflation, then it can go "runny" real fast, like food).

Time preference for the working class as well as voluntary interaction on the labour market is something very new for a common working man. And it has been achieved because of the unification of the workforce to gain leverage over the employers and the holders of capital. This process is being backtracked today with trade agreements, race to the bottom phenomenon and mass immigration.

Once you need to dedicate your time fully to working only to sustain your self and your family, people either lost any chance to have a preference and the full effect of voluntary participation in the work force, or they reduce the number of people they are responsible for.

National Socialism is fucking Nazism. So what's your fucking points.

>or they reduce the number of people they are responsible for.
By not having a family. Gives you more space and time to it reduces the pressure.

At what cost?

On subjectivity of value, this is something that has again been enabled for the wider audience only when their more primal, essential needs have been satisfied. Now the gap is growing in this with those on the lower part experiencing hunger, power shortage, reduced access to social, medical or educational chances and generally seeing their social mobility being maimed and hacked to pieces and those on the upper parts of the divide which care about the latest new fad, gadget or some other thing.
Proletariat is one thing, but precariat is another. And they are scare as shit.

Yes, Communism is the real RED pill.

>It's the communist serb again

My first point is that you don't understand the ideology it self and just parrot stuff, even saying that the ideas I am putting forth are stupid and then a second later saying that you think nazis pushed them in the best way possible.
So, are you saying nazis are stupid or do you support them?

Second point is simple. If you do support the nazi ideology (ill give you the benefit of a doubt that you support the socio economic aspects separated for the other occult, ubermench, Lohengrin, Parzeval, grail knights, teutonic blood myths), I want you to do a thought experiment and convey it to me.

In Europe with it's present national borders, where every state is ruled over by a national socialist party - how do states interact, how do they satisfy their craving for living space and resources, how do they satisfy their national aspects compared to their neighbours? Are all states demographically pure? How is this achieved and what effects can it have on the state relations?
How imminent is another war? How do people travel and participate in cultural exchange and trade?

>no true scotsman
>communism is totally good guys
>bluepill shilling

It's like you're using the bare minimum amount of effort required to bait here.

i didn't even said half of what you are saying i implied. Are you typing this shit or are you copy-pasting and shitposting? Stay on your fucking copy slav.

As you claim National Socialism is best for the world to adapt you need to know that it is the same as Nazism.

At the moment you go full Right or full Left you end up at the same thing. The only difference is the road towards it. It is diffrent going full Left than going full Right.

The outcome is the same and you need to accept it.

Socialism on it's own will never work, maybe if there's a infinite of resources that are easily avaliable then yes, however if you add a degree of capitalism to it, then yes it can work, Socialist social programs like healtcare and other things made to ease life funded by the free market is the only way socialism will ever work, add a nation state that everyone works to benefit to that equation and you've just cemented the foundation to a great country.
Something like SFRY, that we had but with more economic freedom

Okay, I'll bite.
Socialism/Communism won't work because inequeality is natural, total equality is unnatural.
Inequality = lower entropy, more movement, more potential energy. More equality = higher entropy, less movement, less energy.

If you create "paradise on Earth", there will be no hardships, no food for self-improvement, no motivation to rise above others. Humanity will stagnate, until it all collapses and returns to natural order of things. That is what caused USSR to collapse, this is what made it's economy uncompetitive.

People are not ants, you can't change humanity's nature and even if you could, it's a very dangerous road and very controversial ethically to do so.
Communism attempts to fight human nature. And while it's a noble thing to do in some aspects - after all, the thing that sets us apart from animals is the ability to suppress our lowest instincts, - in other aspects it's plain destructive. You have to exploit human nature and sins characteristical for it to drive people along the path of self-improvement. Once you start satisfying every bit of human need without any effort from the receiver's side, he becomes completely and utterly dependent on big government machine, which itself is dependant on people - a vicious cycle that quicly deteriorates and crumbles.

However, Communism is still a hallmark of modernity's social engineering and future generations could borrow some of it's aspects to implement today.
Instead of wiping inequality completely one could try to round the edges and make the life of lower classes better without dragging people of success to their level.
Instead of commercializing educational system one could make it accessible for everyone so the statement "equal possibilities" became true.

Many thing USSR had were actually good. So had the Nazi Germany. So has the current globalized world which is on decline.
Humanity is still in search of the optimal social system. Only time will tell what that looks like.


PS: Praise the immortal God-Emperor.

sub human

>left

No.

Fuck off commie sub-human.

I wish Nato bombed you again

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Majority of "socio-economic paradigms" like communism, capitalism, liberalism all make axiomatic assumptions about human nature and try to build itself around those assumptions
Needless to say those axioms simply arent true, thats why there isnt a single pure capitalistic/libertarian/communistic/socialistic/anyelse state

Kill yourself, commie.

I've had this argument many times before and I'm not going to have it again.

Just kill yourself or I'll help you.

Kill all the communists and their various mutated forms.
World problems solved.

It's spectacular how such poison like marx's shit caused that much damage. You'd almost think there was some supernatural edge to it's destructive qualities.

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exactly.

Yes thats the Left that panders to the Immigrants Hates white people and loves sexual perversion!

Listen to the Russians Godamnit

Yeah, the division brought about identity politics is bad, but here's the social division you should care about: it's not about gender, race political ideologies or anything, but class!
You sound like Elizabeth Warren.

umri komunjaro

>"Hey, Wu, is that a pimple on your leg?"
>"Uhh, yes."

Faggot stopped replying about 40 mins ago, you can just call it off.

I've never stated I am for total equality, I am perfectly aware that it's not possible (I don't want to get into what's natural cause nature has a lot of weird shit including some of the stuff people on pol find repulsing).

What is a MUST is that you get the benefit of your work. Workers have been going towards this point, slowly but it was getting there.

And then setback after setback. Global trade deals (which are still on the part to set up a global labour market which is a prerequisite for proper communism since it's a global idea.

Mass immigration happened and fucked up the local labour market.

Immigrants weren't integrate in the society so syndicalism is a not possible due to identity politics.

Working hours have been prolonged or multiple jobs have been needed to sustain one self so family is in shambles.

These are all effects that fuck over the communist idea and which trouble pol, yet you get replies here where just push back against the idea.

As said here, there are hallmarks that we should care about dearly.
My dream world is where there is a safety net for everyone, but everyone is socialized into values that go beyond "must spawn more kids and beat wife". Where there is a basic income that respects the idea of human dignity and where access to education and healthcare is universal.
This will allow for greater social mobility. And then, allow people that want to prosper and that want to more to achieve more. They will produce more wealth for everyone and for them self, rising in status buy their own work, not by the inherited or manipulated capital.

Also, praise the immortal God Emperor!

This.

I've writing a lot lately based on that idea that system have presumptions, which might correspond to reality at one time, not at another, plus that system them self have a stages, something similar to what Immanuel Waller(((stein))) wrote about. John Rawls has some good ideas, but needs more substance.

>it's not about gender, race political ideologies or anything, but class!
I fully agree!

Ljubim te, Milogorac

I kinda take time to read what people write, while actually doing stuff IRL, so just have patience.

Fucking Jew

I am sorry I disturbed your indoctrinated hugbox, and I thank you for your parroted replies.

If anything, this pol is at least better than libertarian one we had few years back.

Equality matters in so far as you need to make people feel they can relate to each other. The more unequal you make them, say, on income, the more they will grow to resent each other, particularly the poor. People become much more materialistic and instrumentalize each other.

This exactly the same reason why race or nationality matters: homogeneous societies build up stronger communities.

>don't look at the 100 million death toll
>that wasn't real communism

How would you like a free Helicopter ride, courtesy of Augusto Pinochet?

Fuck off.

>See idea you're uncomfortable
>Spout memes

Are you so affected by some of those meme conditions that affect attention that you cannot read a few posts and see that the boogyman you're talking about doesn't correspond to the topic at hand?

Pretty much