So what the fuck was her problem?
So what the fuck was her problem?
Autism.
All jokes aside, her entire clan was slaughtered....twice. The love of her life was frozen in stone for 1000 years. Every human she ever befriended betrayed her. And size gargoyles mate for life, no dick for a millenia.
Literally everyone else.
Never trust a woman with large hoop earrings.
>attempts to use toxin to wipe out human race
>use praying gargoyle to save her race
>forgets if she kills Macbeth she also dies
NTR. Her husband cucked her and choose the life of a cow/dog over her.
Literally everything bad that ever happened to her was her own fault. Survival mechanism, she blames other people for her misfortune because if she admitted the truth she'd put a bullet in her skull.
The humans were mistreating her and her clan first.
Pretty much this.
>humans are cunts but still let you live on their castle and keep you around to fight hoards of murdering raping Vikings
>side with the Vikings you've been fighting for months just to kill your hosts, hoping that they somehow won't take advantage of your vulnerable state and murder your entire family
>run away like a coward and get your husband frozen into stone for centuries as a result rather than own up to your mistakes
>let human cunt who was rude to you raise your daughter like a total deadbeat
>betray the one human who has ever viewed you as an equal over J-Drama tier MISUDERSTANDINGS and get his entire family killed even when he still trusted you AND get your new clan killed as a result
>ruin the life of a human stableboy just because you were feeling edgy, his descendants dedicate themselves to killing all Gargoyles everywhere, further genociding your entire species just because you were a turbocunt
>finally reunite with your husband after centuries, immediately point a gun at him and try to kill him when he doesn't sympathise with your genocidal plans and when you try to kill the first human to treat him with kindness after he woke up
>go back in time to murder your husband because that will somehow make you happy, your past self calls you an idiot and vows never to become like you. She does because she's a total fucking failure, just like you are
Humans didn't do shit to Demona. She chafed at them being haughty condescending pricks, and she unleashed a swathe of bloodshed with her arrogance and petty cruelty that poisoned the lives of everyone around her for centuries to come. She deserves to be alone.
it just occurred to me that their skin is tough enough to probably not tear if you tugged on an earring
but it's also tough enough that it'd be really hard to get a hole in skin like that. I mean they aren't bulletproof but it'd take more than a simple needle. probably a straight-up awl like they mention piercing ears with in the bible.
she didn't forget at all.. she was trying to make a new world for the gargoyles without her.
then again that one time the pack 'killed her' they all assumed she was dead, seemingly just out of politeness, so I think maybe none of them are 100% sure of that spell
She was alone for too long
She trained under the Magus, and he regularly abused her. She is ultimately at fault for everything bad that has ever happened to her, but the Magus is who initiated her tendency towards petty bitterness
I love that episode when his seemingly much-more-mature and more-competent future-self shows up to guide him
and by the end we find out he's literally not from any further in the future than the other one of himself, so he was being a dick to his own self, and fully expects that self to do the same thing, in an endless cycle of dickotry
oh yeah, and then he dies shortly afterwards
The humans built the castle on what was their territory though. The gargoyles was there first and let the humans live there.
>so he was being a dick to his own self, and fully expects that self to do the same thing, in an endless cycle of dickotry
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eh. the native americans tried to pull that. we have rules about this shit.
if someone squats on your property and builds something useful, maintains it, clearly does more with the land than you were doing with it, and manages to get away with it for a year, they now own that land. how can you argue that? it's like, if race bannon raises johnny and hadji while dr quest just stares into a microscope all day, they're his kids.
>Humans didn't do shit to Demona
Okay let's be fair here, a lot of what happened was partly her fault. But everything wasn't completely on her. She made the plan to let the castle fall with the Captian of the guard which it was his plan. The Vikings agreed then double crossed them.
>She created the Hunter
True, and he spent the rest of his days killing off the entire gargoyle race.
>Macbeth
It was indeed a misunderstanding, but once again Macbeth shared some of the blame. He entertained the idea of selling out Demona and her clan to make peace with the English. Even his own son was pissed that he even mentioned doing so.
There's nothing more annoying than when someone gets mad at you purely for CONSIDERING an option.
If you want a quick snappy meaningless answer, ask a search engine. Me? you ask me what I think or feel about something, I'm going to take the time and be honest with you. yes it took me a solid bit of consideration to say 'no you don't look fat'. that doesn't mean i lied, a QUICK answer means i lied.
She betrayed everyone. How the hell are there so many fucking demona apoligists? She was a shitty person and then instead of owning up kept being shitty.
This can't be emphasized enough.
The bigger the hoop, the bigger the ho.
maybe so, but life gave her very few chances to ever own up to it. even goliath made it pretty fucking clear nothing she did would ever make up for it. so why apologize? why admit fault? people like this are usually going "i will.. later. eventually. when the time is right, when it feels easier". and 1000 years later you'd feel foolish to just drop it. nobody's ego could survive that.
according to Greg at a convention panel, besides all the more obvious reasons, part of it involved her not having sex for pretty much all of those 1000 years
Not to mention her shrew of a mother kept bugging Picard to see that she get married
She was also betrayed by everyone.
She is to blame, but she isn't wrong about humans. Every human turned on her as well.
what seriously? she didnt find a single... well .. no I guess she wouldn't, would she? she was genuinely stunned to discover more gargoyles, despite her having traveled as far as Atlantis once to get the praying gargoyle statue. I guess traveling the world doesn't automatically let you find something hidden, and once the modern world started up SHE had to stay pretty fucking hidden too. I'd realllly like to know how the hell she spent the 17th-20th centuries without being recorded in any way.
whatever else you wanna call lwaxana, a shrew is not one of them
it's one of those chicken and egg things. everyone's quick to say "you could have ended the cycle at any time"
yeah well so could my enemy, so.. fuck you. why does it have to be me this time?
Pretty much. Like I said Demona is at fault. But she has valid reason for her hate for humans.
She was a racist cunt who needed to check her privilege and get gang raped by black men.
>whatever else you wanna call lwaxana, a shrew is not one of them
Look at how she drove Mr Homn to drink, though
absolutely. she is a handful. and a .. PIP.
she's also the kind of person who can read your thoughts and accuses you of being into her, even though everyone around you KNOWS you're making it up, and knows you're literally the only person in the room who can know for sure, and you still chose to do that, which means you're actually going WAY out of your way to make yourself look bad.
>betrayed
>abandoned
>living for thousands of years likely increasing insanity and hate
>watch love of her life fall for a human
Demona had a hard life.
Because the point of her was to be a tragic character
She was too hung up on her husbando Goliath to consider anyone else. For 1000 years.
And then he comes back, and starts flirting with a human.
The humans took everything.
I mean, she thought he was dead..
>come after 1000 years
>catch your husbando fucking a negress
C U C K E D
THIS
It's like a snake's warning colors.
Don't forget Thaliog also betraying her.
We'll just toss in a couple of betrayals.
Yeah she got cucked more then once.
iirc wasnt she in total denial about that? and like, the one time she wasn't in denial, she straight up didnt know?
>How the hell are there so many fucking demona apoligists?
user, think about this for a minute. You're questioning why people sympathise with the outcast loner who fucked up all the good relationships in their lives, is alone and bitter and filled with violent thoughts and impotent rage against everyone else.
On Sup Forums.
Yeah Goliath tried to warn her about it, and she just believed that he was jealous that she moved on from him. Of course Thaliog indeed was using her for her miney.
I'm pretty sure my thing for bad girls started with her.
Why wont Macbeth fuck her?
that is the saddest thing of all. They're perfect for each other at this point
That's still stealing.
nah dude it's called squatter's rights
if you're 'taking' something they weren't even using, and multiplying its value, you can just easily give them back what it was worth at the time (dick squat) and you're squaresy.
which is kinda hilarious cause while according to Greg, Elisa fell in love with(or at least became attracted to) Goliath the moment she realized that he was sentient, Goliath didn't start seeing Elisa in that way until Puck's debut episode when she got turned into a Gargoyle temporarily, so it's honestly Demona's own fault that happened
and with Thailog it hurt even worse for Demona cause again according to Greg they had indeed had sex, and Demona's a "mate for life" kinda of Gargoyle, and Thailog using Elisa's DNA in making Demona's clone was intentionally done cause Thailog knew that would hurt Demona more than anything
they actually did have sex during the time when Demona was pretending to be human, and was legitimately in love with her until she betrayed him
They did fuck and even got married. It was a plot to steal all Macbeth's shit, but it still counts
>intentionally to hurt her
what, seriously? what does that gain him? he didn't get that from either of his dads.
>she's a mate-for-life gargoyle
according to greg they ALL are, which is one of the harder things for goliath to get over. it's as if his love died a long time ago and her corpse is being worn by this new person she's become. gargoyles don't change, or aren't supposed to, but she's lived fifty of their maximum lifespans.
then again according to greg, gargoyles can be gay.
Each couple can only have three eggs, and that's if nothing goes wrong during the ONE breeding season every 20 years in which they can successfully conceive. meaning each gay couple is SIX gargoyle eggs that won't be laid. Twelve if you think about it, sort of, if they also leave behind two unmated opposite sex ones in that generation because no gay ones showed up that time.
no fucking goddamn surprise they're going extinct.
Thailog's a huge dick, that and he probably thought it'd be funny
i remember him being pretty ruthless and evil but not going out of his way to commit cruelty for the lulz. everything he did had to benefit himself in some way.. then again he did have a flair for the theatrical didn't he? a sort of dark version of goliath's love of literature and xanatos' ability to gamble and play parts.
Demona knew something was up with Eliza the second she met her. She probably saw the attraction she had towards Goliath, and instantly hated her.
Thaliog is just a dick.
He never cared for Demona, and basically used her for her money and resources. Creating his own personal fuck toy that was made with her DNA and the human she hated the most, was the biggest "fuck you" he could have done towards Demona.
>People honestly wonder why she is so bitter
i don't recall him ever being a dick
i thought he made it pretty clear he made it look like elisa and amde it a fucktoy is because he thought elisa was hot. and wanted an obedient fucktoy.
>no dick for a millenia.
MacBeth fucked her.
I'm pretty sure that's canon, from that time Weisman was talking about all the creepy sex shit at a con.
This post is too real.
Creepy sex shit? Or awesome sex shit?
At least he takes the characters seriously.
Elisa and Goliath can never bone because he's got a giant beast dick that would kill her.
He could just give him a normal dick and it wouldn't be weird.
also
>Artemis from Young Justice lost her virginity at 13
Presumably the Gargoyles would use the same arguments Natives usually do: the shit the invaders/squatters built was useful by an alien metric that they don't value, and interferes with their enjoyment of the land they were already using in a way THEY found useful. To some degree, modern Western civilization has come to acknowledge this point in its laws and practices. This is why if someone squats in a nature preserve and builds a neat subsistence farm, the American or Canadian government won't just shrug and give them the parkland in perpetuity. It's also the basis for land-claims.
Furthermore, the Gargoyles still continued to occupy their land. None of their cohabitants could stop them from taking it back on a whim one night, except maybe the Magus if they didn't get him first. They were clearly in a mutually-beneficial alliance--a pact of shared sovereignty which the humans had simply become more dominant in over time, and had begun to take for granted and exploit. It's a fundamentally different relationship between the peoples and their territory.
That was during the Avalon arc. So it was still over a thousand years between her getting some dick. They were not romantic during their thimerosal in Scotland. Macbeth was loyal to his wife.
>we made up rules against the native americans, and also ignored their actual use and maintenance of the lands they claimed
bad example.
Pretty sure he was aware how much Demona hated Elisa. Out of all the human dna he could have used, he used the dna of the human woman that stole her first love......Sounds like a dick move to me.
it is odd that he said they canonically have huge bits
most animals have smaller junk than humans, unless they have big barrel torsos like ungulates
but he DID say they could fuck, it would just be uncomfortable at first. then again goliath is the largest gargoyle we ever see, most of them are smaller.
>a bunch of land full of fresh water, timber, game, fish, and beautiful natural vistas people will pay to come see
>worthless until I build some brick structures on it and start hawking metal goods
>it's legit because my culture has a law that legitimizes it, even if the culture disputing this point doesn't have this law
>but if those fucking Mexicans build their towns over our border, that's an invasion
>sex wasn't possible
I doubt that.
I have seen porn of Bridget the midget getting fucked by a guy with a 12 inch dick. The human body is pretty durable.
except they don't. their metric is PROTECT. they want to protect. if humans wanna move in on their land and build a castle, awesome. they'll protect it. that's why gargoyles are awesome
why native americans are lame is theyre just siberian nomads who found a big awesome pair of continents, moved in, spread out, and immediately forgot their origins. they have this 'ancient tie' to this land but it's not even their land, asia is. they have all these origin stories about being from there that we straight up know aren't true, and religions we know they didn't used to have. Some of them continued to be awesome and build empires and shit, but the ones in the middle didn't. they just squandered it.
so basically it sounds like we agree.
see this guy gets it. nature exists to be exploited. but you try to exploit our more-successful civilization, you're an enemy.
Too long without sex.
When did that happen?
He was a dick to Xanatos, Goliath, Demona, Sevarius, the clone clan, fucking everyone he ever had contact with. He did things to personally spite them and then mocked them about it
Considering the option aloud, for some time, showed a lack of faith in their alliance, and a lack of loyalty to her. Sure, it might be logical not to have blind faith in someone, but if you've made it clear that under the right circumstances you would ENTERTAIN the notion of selling out your friends for a political advantage or personal gain, especially in a medieval society that values fealty or with a person who has personally bounded her soul to yours with magic out of deep respect and love... I mean, you can't expect a very positive reaction, and most of your contemporaries would consider you somewhat ignoble.
>Elisa and Goliath can never bone because he's got a giant beast dick that would kill her.
Just the tip.
Also while it may be painful unless it's a damned horsecock she can take most of it. You'd be surprised the things people cram into themselves.
She probably would have fucked MacBeth if race-hatred and politics hadn't got in the way. The second their memories of their war are deleted, they instantly fall for each other because they have so much in common.
Gargoyles live longer, so it's not a big deal if they don't breed all the time
The end of the Hunters Moon arc. Basically the last episode of season 2. Demona was about to cast a spell that would kill all sapient life on earth. But had a talisman (praying gargoyle) that was suppose to spare their entire race. Some believed that if the spell work that Macbeth would have died, meaning Demona would have died as well since she cast the spell, thus she killed him. Wasn't really made clear if she would have survived or not. She basically said she was willing to do this to make the world safe for her daughter and her people.
No, I mean when did the pack think they killed her?
This.
Demona was right to not trust Macbeth after hearing him entertain betraying her people. True she overreacted, but Macbeth wasn't innocent in it either.
Don't recall the pack every killing Demona?
She died a handful of times on the show.
Stabbed by the Hunter in the back while fighting Macbeth.
Shot by Elisa to stop her from killing Macbeth.
Fell to her death after the very first story arc.
Think that was it.
I think the fact that the gargoyles had to worry about being smashed while they were asleep had more to do with that than some being gay
Everybody was a nomad at some point; we didn't spontaneously appear everywhere on the planet. If the natives can't claim the Americas as their homeland despite being the first people there, then no race of mankind has any claim to anywhere except Africa. Nobody's origin story is true, nobody's had a single unbroken religion since the dawn of mankind. Everybody has forgotten where they came from because the people who actually did come from there died thousands of years ago.
Seems legit.
>the birth of your transformation fetish
>why native americans are lame is theyre just siberian nomads who found a big awesome pair of continents, moved in, spread out, and immediately forgot their origins. they have this 'ancient tie' to this land but it's not even their land, asia is.
Nigger what? If you take that back to its logical conclusion they're not Asian either, everybody is ultimately from a small area of Africa. Is every other culture on the planet lame because they don't see themselves as African immigrants?
>they have all these origin stories about being from there that we straight up know aren't true, and religions we know they didn't used to have.
Again, just like everybody else.
But the idea of "value" here is totally subjective and in the case you're citing, inherently flawed. This mentality is what fucked the majority of America's natural beauty and resources and is responsible for all the environmental crises we have going on.
The idea that the open land was worth "dick squat" is a cop-out to the fact that the value of the land can't be measured in dollars, and to someone who calls of home, it's worth more than any amount of money could buy. If it really had no value the colonists wouldn't have wanted it in the first place.
tl;dr: Stop being an exploitationist cunt, you're ruining things for everyone else.
Considering all the things that have been answered about this series, I wouldn't be surprised, but did the creator ever explain how the fuck Demona's sleep cycle works after she turns into a human instead of a statue during the day?
Also I remember Gargoyles don't shit because stone sleep, so that must have been a fairly horrifying education for Demona. If she didn't hate humans before...
I assume she slept a lot during the day.
>gargoyle waste is she'd through their stone skin every night
Yeah I believe that is canon. So I would assume pooping for the first time was a horrible experience for her.
Isn't she latino?
She's half native american, half black.
the real problem is that the land had different value for different people. a race of farmers who are spreading faster than their government can keep up or control them is not going to respect the boundaries a culture that occupies huge swathes of fallow arable land and does nothing to cultivate agriculture. this went the other way too; many native american cultures saw horse theft as an important act of machismo for young men to prove their raiding skill, but anglos saw it as a crime literally worse than murder and reacted out of all proportion to what the indians felt a stolen horse warranted.
Native American and black. It was bought up many times on the show.
What about Peg?
She has an ugly forehead that made her unattractive (which is why she's always wearing the thing on her head to cover it up) and her main squeeze was getting the hots for a hispanic policewoman in a red blazer.
>MacBeth fucked her.
Must have been in the daytime.
PMS.
>Bridget the midget
That freaked me out.
Demona is a tragic figure.
Time, circumstance, betrayal, and poor choices broke her. She had only one thing left that she cared about, and that was gargoyle-kind. However, she made the mistake of trying to rule them and lying to Goliath when he first awoke.
No one really knew nor could understand what she had experienced, either, as they turned their backs on her.
Hmm... this thread made me want to go back and peruse s8.org