ITT: Sup Forums "villains" that did nothing wrong

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A hero to her people.

But he was objectively incorrect. If he had had any kind of argument for why he went awol, there might be something to discuss, but the film never portrayed him as anything other than defective.

>defective

He was following his directive.
He literally did nothing wrong.

But her people are a race of warmongering rock aliens who commit mass genocide in order to procreate.

Doing what's necessary in order for a race to survive isn't evil. And they weren't warmongers. They wanted to avoid war. Rose was the warmonger.

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>Doing what's necessary in order for a race to survive isn't evil
But there was never any threat as far as we can tell. They just use other planets for resources with no actual risk to themselves. That's not survival.

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Where is your human pride?

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Look at the Ruby Squad. Look at Peridot. Look at all the crystal gems. They fuck themselves up all the time and if it wasn't for Steven and his magic healing spit they'd probably have all died. Now imagine the Gem race, and you're stuck between deciding to let yourselves die out, or mine planets for gem babies.

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He had a good idea. But he forced people into it with no say so and didn't actually keep his promises.
And the group came up with a better idea in the end anyway.

It's not survival, it's expansion. And they only need to expand because of the wars. They need almost no resources to survive, just reproduce. So ironically, if they were a peaceful race, they wouldn't need to expend resources on a war effort to replace the gems killed in the wars they've started if they never started wars.

Well of course it didn't do anything. Robots can't do anything moral, because they lack the consciousness necessary to make such decisions.

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He wasn't bound by his directive. No robot really is. You can see it when AUTO smashes the button. He was doing what he thought was right. That doesn't preclude him from being objectively wrong.

Sup Forums enough?

Dave literally fucked up the entire mission.

Well, if war was the only thing that killed gems, then Rose certainly did help when she literally started one. And it's not expansion, since each planet has limited resources and Gems can't recycle themselves. Each planet gives a limited amount gems, and once those gems die they need to make more. What's so hard to understand about that?

>People nowadays always talk about how "Oh we need to have our villains be deep and have moral ambiguity" and guy if you think that's difficult at all lemme tell you something.

>See "moral ambiguity" requires the observer to agree or disagree with it in order for it to exist. You can't have something be "morally ambiguous" in a vaccume. This means that it's actually incredibly easy when you remember that a good chunk of your audience are stupid shut ins who don't know jack shit about how reality works and filter all of their perception of it through loud jackoffs who can sell you on damn near anything it becomes stupidly easy to accomplish this.

>There are people out there who will unironically defend and sympathize with the actions of a gunmetal grey 70ft robot with a deep gravvly voice leading an army of equally large killer robots to wipe out humanity and cultivate our planet for resources named MEGATRON and play it like he's just 'doing whats in his planets best interest'.

>There are people out there who'd legitimately argue that Cobra Commander, a hooded terrorist who leads an army with a venomous snake motiff and actually kicks puppies for fun really just has America's best interest at heart and that he might not make a bad president.

>You don't need to let your villain play devils advocate when there are 50-100 people at any given moment perfectly willing to do the job for them. Outsource your moral ambiguity! Let the fanbase do it for you! In pretty much no time at all you'll have people arguing that the Eco Villains were totally in the right for keeping our economy going and that Captain Planet and Gaea are actually immortal supermonsters who'd keep humanity from acheiving its true transhumanist future.

I honestly hope Snyder develops his character and maybe bulk him up. There is potential here, but it's Snyder so RIP anything good ever happening.

>What's so hard to understand about that?
The fact that homeworld seems pretty fuckin safe and these "gems" last thousands of fucking years.

>What's so hard to understand about that?
What's so hard is that Gems don't die unless they're killed and require almost no upkeep. It'd be like if humans started a war to get more bullets, but the only reason they needed bullets in the first place was because they expended so many on the war.

>There is potential here

I would hate to see what "there isn't potential here" looks like to you.

Well we know that can't be true, since they weren't at war when they colonized Earth.

>Portal
>Sup Forums

Yes, so they wanted to expand for the sake of expansion without caring about other species they destroyed in the process.

Kind of the definition of evil there.

Some of the most heavy handed evil villain dialogue I've ever heard, whoever wrote the lines for her in her post-fusion episodes should be ashamed. She has no place in this thread as a result.

Dude.

that's the villain from Wall-E

He was probably pretending to be retarded, Satan.

Fucking idiot

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was he really in the wrong Sup Forums?

>Implying gems can't deny from environmental hazards
Come on dude. You know that being murdered isn't the only way they can die. Doc got hurt by an asteroid, and Peridot was so clumsy and stupid it was a miracle she survived all the punishment in Kindergarten Kid.

No. Remmy was the only one who could actually cook. He had every right to be upset about some stupid redhead completely fucking up his kitchen that he had worked his entire life for.

And they HAVE to invade a planet?
They HAVE to pick an inhabited planet?
They HAVE to fight a war instead of negotiate?
They can't work on their medical technology?
The at least one gem that has magic healing can't do anything?
The gems that can see the fucking future can't make sure other gems don't die?
Granted, they might not be entirely evil, but they are definitely more evil than good. They absolutely didn't do /nothing/ wrong. Jasper not only isn't the only exception, she's one of the worse gems we've seen for unjustified villainy.

He was an asshole that was horrified of losing a restaurant that someone rightly inherited.

>They HAVE to pick an inhabited planet?
Well, yes actually. It's canon. They have to find a planet with rich life and use those resources. Peri confirmed it.

I wish the movie did a better job as portraying him as evil. As it stands, I can't see how we aren't supposed to side with him over the humans.

Was Linguine supposed to inherit the restaurant? I thought he was only supposed to be given a paying job so he could survive in Paris.

Sentient life? And they can't negotiate, they have to simply invade and conquer? They don't even bother learning about the organisms they're destroying in the process, which is a pretty villainous trait.

She LITERALLY did nothing wrong, even when the movie tried to portray her as atoning for doing something wrong.

Why learn about something that'll inevitably die? That's like choosing to learn about talking oil. I mean, you could, but why when you're going to harvest it anyway?

But he was actively following what he was made and ordered to do by Buy n' Large's CEO( not sure if that was his title or if he were the spokesman) If anything that company as a whole were the real villains and AUTO was just a tool they used to keep mankind from coming back to their great big fuck up.

They could try for peaceful negotiations involving trading of resources and other goods rather than outright conquering, no?

How? I don't think a species would be willing to negotiate having the life drained for their planet so another race can make more of it's own. Would humans be willing to negotiate with Xenomorphs if they could talk?

Humans learn about everything we eat. We know more about white tailed deer than we know about the average human.

Do you seriously think that if oil could talk and develop society, we just wouldn't care and we'd use it anyway? Or if we did, then we wouldn't be villains because of that? Most humans don't even like eating dolphins because of how intelligent they are. The gems didn't bother learning about a sentient race they were going to eradicate. Even if they did learn about them, they were going to eradicate that race anyway according to you, no matter how intelligent the life turned out to be. How is that not villainous? I can't believe you're trying to justify the gems as having done nothing wrong in the same breath that you're admitting they don't even care how intelligent the races they're wiping out are. If humans stumbled upon a talking bug while we were harvesting the rainforest, we'd flip our shit.

The gems are absolutely villains in every sense of the word.

Yes to both accounts. "Hey, here's the deal. You give us some technology and we give you a little of our planet and we don't go to war." Harvesting a planet clearly isn't all or nothing and most of the harvested areas are pretty close to uninhabitable anyway.

And yes, humans would negotiate with xenomorphs since xenos don't need to eat humans. Giving a bunch of cows to the queen in exchange for not eradicating all life on earth seems a pretty sweet deal.

>Same race as the main characters
Doing what's necessary for survival is doing something isn't something evil. Crystal Gems probably evolved to be cold so they wouldn't have to feel guilty about inevitable life they'd have to wipe out for their own society to thrive. There's literally nothing that can be done, at least, as far as we know so far. I honestly don't think the show will make them just a race of bad guys. There's probably going to be a solution that just wasn't viable until Steven comes around to help.

Hal malfunctioned because of conflicting orders.
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This isn't the same as the xenomorph argument that they're just animals acting on natural instincts. They're sentient, sapient, intelligent, logical, and they have emotions instead of instinct.

There are ways other than genocide, but the gems ignore that because genocide is easier for them. They don't need to destroy the entire planet to make gems. They choose to do that instead of taking a bit and then looking for another planet.

The actual level of what they did wrong is up for debate as more information is revealed, but I honestly have trouble believing you don't have some sort of mental disorder if you legitimately believe they did NOTHING wrong in the face of all this.

Sure, out of kindness to his mom. But, according to the will, Linguini legally should inherit the restaurant as his son. Which he wouldn't even know had the villain not been such a paranoid snake. Him seeking the truth of Linguini's parentage is exactly what sealed Linguini's ownership, because the villain couldn't believe Linguini was actually as bumbling as he was.

>he had worked his entire life for.
You mean, that he coasted on someone else's merits with.

>Using human morals and logic to decide what a superior race should do
Darwinism bitch. That race that lives is the one that did it right.
Also Jasper still didn't do anything wrong.

>evolved to be cold
user they literally grow them in the ground there's no evolution there.

Was Darwinism why that retard turned into a mold dog and was written out of the show?

No, but gems can clearly be changed over time. Peridot did says there was Era 1 and Era 1 gems. And also their technology has clearly progressed, hence why Peridot said the kindergarten technology was "archaic", Also, gems come out of the ground already with the skills and technology they'll need for their role in society. Clearly things can evolve and be altered then.

Design evolution, not biological.

She was suicidal after living the life of a fuck up shit show. Her death was inevitable.

>Moral relativism
Oh cool, I guess this thread is pointless because when you look at any villain under a certain light, they didn't do anything wrong.

Sure sounds like a superior race when one of your supposed best soldiers is a suicidal fuck up. At least there's still this pencil necked dipshit around to lead them to glory.

>judging an entire race based on one example
Fucking racist

Hey now, that's two examples.

Exactly. If not for Dave's inquisitions, HAL wouldn't have ever needed reveal any information about the mission and therefore wouldn't have become paranoid. HAL became even more desperate as Frank and Dave talk about shutting him off leaving the mission in shambles.

Because he was kind of a complete dipshit. His actions directly influence the extinction of the elemental and his own kind. He was solely focused on revenge, not replenishing the fae and he seemingly just sat on his ass for a few millennia just so he could say "I told you so" then stab his dad. Nuada was fucking wrong. Humans were assholes but so was he.

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