On a scale 1-10, how much of an Orwellian Nightmare your country is? My country has elections every 2 years...

On a scale 1-10, how much of an Orwellian Nightmare your country is? My country has elections every 2 years, thus every party tends to be very nationalistic and fear-mongering in order to get votes, therefore the emphasis is still on basic power struggle between Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats, hence almost everything else comes very, VERY secondary, no one gives a shit what you write about on social networks and whether you insult anyone. Libfag shit simply doesn't work here. The worst I can think of is fucking cops locking people up over few plants of weed.

I have some relatives in living and working Germanistan, they've been living there for 30+ years, and their stories are becoming more and more horrific each and every year. People getting sentenced over "verbal delict", daylight rapes that go unreported etc. Crazy shit. And judging from internet, many other countries have gone down the leftist shitter as well.

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>On a scale 1-10, how much of an Orwellian Nightmare your country is?
6/10

1.

We are absolutely free and prosperous, I love this country and anybody who says otherwise is evil and racist.

(Send help)

Not so much actually ide give it 4/10
Although the eu is pushing its standards on us so..

Well, your system is sentencing people over GOVOR MRŽNJE, hm, and they say you're not in communism anymore... Fucking Puhovski is like 5 times a week on national TV lecturing everyone, lol. Meanwhile in BiH Dodik is calling the UN officials monkeys, lmao.

With the "emergency law" and all that other shit I'd say you're a 7 or even a very stealthy 8.

"Emergency law" is a shit and has no effects.
I said 6/10 because I think it's the situation since Internet and social networks arrived in France.

Any Germanistanians willing to share their experiences?

>"Emergency law" is a shit and has no effects.

I see........ok France, just blink twice if you're in danger, ok?

there's all the obvious with my country

the worst part is that if you are american, america can arrest you in pretty much every other country on the planet except china and russia

like, jesus fuck. I'd almost rather be french, because at least if I leave, france will leave me alone

Around 8, I'd say. All ISPs and telephone companies are obliged by law to decrypt, record and store everything that passes through them. KGB can then examine this data without court order or anything.

I didn't give it a 10 because laws have a tendency to get ignored in Russia.

0 because I get centrelink.

Tbf, you don't even have to be American to be arrested by America in pretty much every other country on the planet.

Isn't it actually pretty low if you don't do anything to piss off the ruling party?

Like there is stuff you can't do on the books, but nobody really gives a shit?

Isn't it illegal to deny holocaust in Russia?

they have more scope and leeway to arrest americans in pretty much any context. for assange they had to fabricate a rape attempt, even for someone at his high level.

the only people they don't really need crimes for are other americans, and sand nigger countries.

americans are basically unemployable in foreign countries except very narrow circumstances because any crime the individual commits can lead to the seizure of the entire company, including "crimes" such as the price of your stock falling. also, america insists on arbitrating lawsuits involving americans, so many countries refuse to even let americans manage companies, because if they get sued by an overseas client, they have no legal representation in their own country.

it's FUCKED. you don't even understand. they tried to arrest the mayor of britain for not paying taxes on his house he sold in london. the mayor has never lived in the US. a bank can be sued if an american depositor of theirs fails to file taxes. so a lot of banks wo't even accept american depositors.

Hahahaha, no wonder so many people just tear up their citizenship.

I suppose it's only the USA and some bananna republic that even do this.

Answer this ruski.

overall we're still less orwellian than most countries, I'd say. Other countries in europe and canada are already outright confiscating people's retirements and houses. canada passed an asian tax at some 15% of their net incomes, etc. but the problem is that you can see them slowly building the cattle pen, and unlike other countries, the US can still enforce it.

I'm really caught. not sure where I'd even go. OZ won't give me a points visa.

That's because Bosnia is trash and should be cleansed again until it's Serbian.

Not being sarcastic, but ultimately pic related.

We're basically full on 1984. They just have not let the plebes know yet.

I went on a 2 day binge reading astronomy and it seems increasingly unlikely we will ever leave the solar system. solar sails are basically the only viable technology, even theoretical energy sources don't have enough mass to propulsion ratio. it would take the mass of the entire sun to propel a ship to tau ceti via nuclear pulse.

I dunno man. I just dunno. I think we're stuck.

there's also the fermi paradox. if it was possible to escape energy constraints, the universe is SO big that someone else must have tried. if they did it, they'd be visible in some capacity. but we don't see them. which means they didn't do it.

there's something like a few billion earth sized planets alone in a green belt, which have been formed for some 10 times as long as it took life n earth to develop.

we see nothing.

5/10 as long as I have my guns. If not we'd be 9/10 like the Brits.

I like the theory that aliens keep humanity in the dark because they think we're either huge douche bags and primitives or we'll try and kill and rape everything.

Or they have totally different means of communication.

Whoa, m8. I never mentioned anything about going interstellar. I agree that it will take some sci-fi advances in the future to ever hope to expand past our solar system. Either that or a very slow multi-millenia hop-hop-hop of ice-mining nomads.

I'm talking about the solar system itself. It's already large enough and yet still close enough to be colonized. As much of a government-fund leech as Elon Musk is, his idea for a massive fully-reusable ship to transport cargo and people off of Earth is very realistic. Once we have the infrastructure built to supply a growing economy and number of colonies in space, we'll be able to get off this rock and into the endless frontier. One of the great parts about this is that the frontier never really ends. As long as you can find resources to support your society, you could go anywhere given enough time.

I'm still hoping for that Mars colony.

Were probably 8/10, approaching the 9. But atleast we are not 10/10 Brits.

why wouldn't they just kill us then?

and a different form of communication is unlikely. light is basically the most efficient way to convey bit data. there is no alternative.

We're getting there. Probably be the first country to start using that anti-facial recognition fashion.

3/10, turning into 5/10. You can say all the shit you want on the Internet (bar few examples, such as website criticising former president or Soros-funded idiots sending police on you for saying refugees blow things up [police don't give a shit anyway]), but security forces can hack you and you have to register a prepaid SIM card if you want to have one.

Very glad I don't live in the UK, where arrests on ground of Internet comments and "anti-social behaviour" (literally a category of people in Nazi concentration camps) are common.

>why wouldn't they just kill us then?

Exactly what I thought when I first heard that.

The other idea (Which I think makes sense in the current circumstances) is humanity is the first race to "get off it's feet" as it were.

So when other races reach the starts they'll find our remains from our great empires and all that because right now they're all still primordial ooze.

tl;dr: We wuz ancients n sheet.

0/10.

The Federal Republic of Germany is the most free state that ever existed.
Only nazis would question that - are you a nazi?
If so you need to be locked up you racist scum.

Despite the memeing the UKs bretty gud.

that runs out eventually though

I think any system confined to the local cluster will eventually fall prey to the same monkey-instinct incentives as we currently have.

there's really no reason we couldn't have already built a mars colony. the theoretical cost would have been less than a single year's welfare budget. I forget the outlays, but the proposal was something like a new launch every 6 months with new resources to support the colony. which would have still been less than 2% of the entire budget, whereas entitlements currently total about 60% of the entire government expenditure and around 30% of gross gdp, and the mars proposal was only 2% of the former and 1% of the latter.

we could have done it already...

Yeah.. as long as you dont own a "zombie knife"

cuz that gets you locked up for 4 years.

kek

bbc.com/news/uk-37080682

This is typical of a foreigner, here they police by consent, ie. they don't use force, those articles are scare stories to try and make people follow the law so the police doesn't have to actually do anything. I can guarantee you nobody knows anyone who's gone to prison for online comments. People who live here know that and ignore the bullshit.

The bobbies are far too busy looking for real criminals, usually Eastern Europeans.

Anti-social behaviour is the PC word for being a cunt, like harassing people in the street.

1 minute has been deducted from your 12-year hate speech sentance.

>Orwellian
most overused phrase by people who either didnt read the book, or didnt understand it
and its an easy book

9/10

Trudeau would send me to prison if I say something bad aboot the muslims or if they catch me not towing the sjw line. I live in fear everday

I'm not sure whether the early filters or the later filters are the more worrying end of the fermi paradox, but I can't imagine we're teh first to get this far. hundreds of billions of galaxies and trillions of habitable planets is an awful lot.

keep in mind we only discovered dna 40 years ago and we STILL have DNA denialists, and a full half of our population can't even perform basic math, and 90% of our population lives alongside cro-magnons who can barely speak language, and cannot count, and thinks these cro-magnons are the same as us

we are a very stupid species. we can't be the first.

thermodynamic limits are mostly likely constant in other galaxies. the far more likely explanation is that they got to our point, and could not overcome limitations in transporting mass at interstellar distances

Banning faggot badges such as those is a public service. I know you're annoyed because you wanted one to show your mother what a big boy you are.

Now go get that bull prepped Turkelstein.

Well damnit it man, let's try and colonize this shit anyway.

Our radio signals haven't exactly gotten far anyway if you look at the maps.

3-4?
Maybe?

Got an AR15 and an SKS legally in my gun closet, do you?

Oh..you cant :-/

How embarassing that you still make laws to lock people up for possessing knvies AFTER brexit, which clearly proves that you are true cucks

I'd say 4/10
Still pretty nice. Not like west european fags

Right! We've got you IP address. Ill see you soon you thought criminal

>Germanistan
omfg topkek

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I think the best way is to empower people like thiel and musk, who are both closet white nationalists.

musk has a bad habit of hiring minorities, which annoys me, but he can't possibly not be redpilled. his family left south africa when his skull was deformed from being beat nearly to death by niggers for being smart.

if we can succeed at mastering genetic engineering, which has been outlawed in the entire west, I think we stand a reasonable chance.

of course, we might also deliberately destroy china in a war because we consider genetic engineering to be an anti-humanitarian crime already

>daylight rapes that go unreported etc.
Like it's any different in your country

Quote from 1984:

>He disliked nearly all woman, and especially the young and pretty ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.

thoughts?

Damn describes sjws a bit

I WANT THE PARALLELS TO END

Honestly it alternates between a 0/10 and a 10/10.

We have massive pervasive surveillance and our Government is obviously corrupt but somehow the Jews haven't been able to crack the first amendment.

So I can say pretty much whatever the fuck I want online and get away with it unless I started planning terrorism or did immediate incitement to violence.

Also 2nd amendment is protected(for now) and because of that even though we're 5% of humanity American civilians own 50% of all guns that exist.

So it gravitates towards extremes on both ends.

Well at the current rate they'll want to put as many black people in space as possible to say "Progress n sheet!!".

Hopefully China hurries the fuck up with their genetic engineering and gets to Mars before privilege checkers do.

Currently reading it now, and I can say we're pretty Orwellian on all points except how we receive information and on refugees

Out of 10? Damn we are probably near 5-6 now. Last few years they have really upped their game, just crossing the cusp into police state territory.

>and I can say we're pretty Orwellian on all points
Are we? Because if you recall the Jew is the good guy in the book

Yes, it is, Olaf, yes it is. I guess your no-Sun cesspool is so deep in sandnigger filth you don't even remember what it's like to see girls walking in public freely. I pity you.

9 eyes
14 eyes
etc...

1/10
Our Janez politicans either don't care or are incompetent/lack funds to actually do anything similar to what Georgie boy described.

7, but with some Brave New World thrown in

2/10

Bojan I been to your country, I got family in your country.

So don't try to play your game with me

See this is your basic misunderstanding, you equate gun ownership with freedom.

Our constitution, as laid out by the common law, gives precedence to healthcare, free at the point of use for all, over gun ownership. Our police govern by our mandate as does parliament. We have no use for them and never have in our 800 year history.

I know it's hard to understand in the EU where your screams to stop the inflow of migrants, making camps in your subways, fall on deaf ears.

Croatian politics are superior to any of the other balkan countries, we have it the best, we are the best, other can just try to become perfect as Croatia's superior economy, try to have a infrastructure good as ours, try to make their living standards as good as ours, but they will never get as good as the balkans number one country: Croatia
I rate our politicians 6/10

but the premise of brave new world happens in 1984 with the proles; distracted by vices and degeneracy to the point where the party doesnt need to fear them

Government is retarded but in in an incompetent/corrupt rather than malevolent/agenda manner.
3/10

For paki pedophiles and jews, yes it is.

The only thing that bothers me here are our hate-speech laws. Nothing else really.

>they tried to arrest the mayor of britain
>Mayor of Britain
???? . .I think I missed the memo on that?

>If not we'd be 9/10 like the Brits.
>But atleast we are not 10/10 Brits
Sup Forums meme power is stronger than I thought, trying to justify your own countries by comparing it to Sup Forums memes of another .. .how bizarre.

Where do people get their wacky ideas about Britain - except from the Daily Mail.?

In 1984 the three nations fight over Africa and the Middle East to control the population that lives there to get them to do work. It is exactly the same as the current refugee situation

Then you should know better, Ismet.

Hmmm we find and arrest our paki paedophiles and the news reports on them.

France has nearly twice as many as us and you never see them arrested or in the news?

So I guess it doesn't go on in France, or maybe they just don't get caught.

Really makes you think huh?

excspt the refugees don't work here, they rape, pillage and loot and the government encourages this

In their defence your country does have an absurd amount of CCTV

BNW is about mental conditioning people from a young age to accept their role in society. Come to some Australian schools and see for yourself.

I imagine australia is too large to police effectively. if they brought refugees into darwin you could literally just kill them and feed them to crocs in the river.

you missed the point. goldstein is the leader of "liberty." he's a jew, but not only does his liberty cause not exist, he was literally a utopian socialist espousing a "more correct" implementation of the party.

this is a direct parallel to the soviet union, who had stalin, the leader of socialism, which defined stalinism as correct socalism, who was opposed by various factions. these various factions could only be "better socialists" by being "more stalinistic" in terms of advocating for equality. but it was impossible to be mroe stalinistic than stalin, and was as well, correctly percieved that anyone imitaing stalin was vying for power, and could be killed.

you create an ideology, and kill anyone who follows it too strongly, because they are vying for power.

that was the point of goldstein's character. in the 1984 universe, there are NO non-socialists.

(actually, east asia was supposed to be capitalism run amok, but they make almost no mention of this.)

NSA monitors a good bit in the States. It's not too intrusive yet and doesn't cause most people too much trouble yet, but I think that's going to change within the next few years. Lord knows we're all prolly already on some gvmt watch list by now at least.

Intresting. Living next to a refugee center and no such thing like dayligth rapes.

Where your relativs live?
Im in berlin.

>your country does have an absurd amount of CCTV
Bussy traffic junctions and large town centres.

The rest are privately owned by businss, shopkeepers and homeowners for their own peace of mind.

>brings up healthcare (one of the few things that hasnt totally collapsed yet) to counter gun ownership

literally not an argument

>we have no use for them

kek, your denial is unbelievable. Do you speak for every Englishman? I dont think so.

Its like a North Korean saying:
"Free Speech? What? We dont need that, we have no use for it anyways."

I at least acknowledge the cuckedness of my country and oppose it, you try to justify your cuck laws.

i recomend this book to anons in this thread btw:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_&_the_City

There was an article about how the industrial paki rape rings were still going on as strong as ever. Lol imagine being a paki; you can just rape any white woman and get away with it by using the r-word. It's pretty gud tbqh senpai.

Kek'd

you do need guns though. the right to not be killed is your number 1 right. guns enforce that.

right to have someone operate on you is such a fucking amorphous concept. do you have the right to be happy? right to sex changes? Right o equal pay? where does it end? it ends wherever the lobbyists say it ends.

right to own guns is a power that forbids the government from trying to fuck with its own people. right to healthcare is a government MANDATE to fuck with people, and forbids the people from resisting.

big difference. same word, but a very different meaning

3/10 gravitating towards 7-8/10 in coming years

Noone gives a shit about anything yet, but power is consolidating into one party that had up to now been fighting the others but will now win by a landslide and is basically made out of the communist shits people were too stupid to kill in '89.

The alternatives are whiny-ass leftists that noone likes, and nationalists that are absolutely retarded (not saying this because I don't like nationalism - I just think these particular ones are pants-on-head retarded).

I'm not going to stick up for he user that said that but bringing up 'Muh Guns' was a bit silly anyway (although totally expected from a Burger)

Makes you wonder what their society is like if you need to keep talking about them.

I have a cousin in Hamburg, and her neighborhood has become quite troubled in the past few years: native girls marrying kangz (showed me pics), Turks buying buildings, more and more crime etc. I also have a cuz in Stuttgart, he works in a security company, his stories are something else. His mother lived for years in a building that was bough by an arab businessman, who had every non-moslem get out by the end of 2015.

sorry, mayor of london. you know what I meant you fucking paki. it's late here and I'm high on pain meds

>you know what I meant you fucking paki
Sorry Pedro.

I guess I should applaud you for writing in English - rather than your native tongue.

On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the Mongolian steppes, 10 being a North Korean reeducation camp, USA being around 6 - we're heading fast towards somewhere around 8 - there are already urban CCTV projects around and soon there'll be a centralized gov. DB which will store all citizens' biometric IDs, which will allow to incriminate everyone easily if the gov. will wish to.

The leftists say we are a fascistic country sinve we elected the same PM for ~10 years. They would say we are 11/10.

I think we are like 3/10

I'd say 7.While there's no known mass surveillance, phone calls can only be listened to after a court decision and the police is rather lax compared to the US, the internet freedom is being cracked down on. A number of sites have been blocked, but the block is easily passed by any proxy. A few freak deputies are proposing harsher laws, like banning proxies outright (thankfully, nothing concrete) or making a whitelist of 500000 sites out of 4 million, denying access to the rest without a written application. The Pirate Party is not registered either. The media is shared amongst the oligarchs, and most critisisms towards the government come from the ones removed from power.

Pretty much.

damn, we barely have any CCTV's here in my town, i dont think i've seen a single one except in some big ass highway intersection

We tried to put a man in prison for disagreeing with a feminist on Twitter, and fined a comedian $42k for telling a mean joke.

Just thinking about how germany's birthrate of 1.3 is actually way lower than that: maybe 30-40% of newborns are non-whites, so the actual german born are less than 1 per women. That means germany is losing half its population every generation. This is insane.

France has less and less structure, it's a country where communities and minorities write and apply the laws. Private interests won the battle and lot of citizens accept to be spied.

You can always go to Palestine