Gay people not 'born that way,' sexual orientation not fixed – US study

Gay people not 'born that way,' sexual orientation not fixed – US study

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Explain this fags.

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Wtf i hate faggots now

how can anyone believe its a 'born this way' thing when everyone magically becomes gay when they go to prison?

Sometimes these lame replies still smash my sides when I know they shouldn't

Is putin a pedophile?
>rt

One is rape and sodomy the other is not

Must be hard living in ladyboy central and hating fags

Are you deluded, why does it matter if its rape? Obviously at least one party is enjoying it

And how is it not sodomy if it's in prison?

Every gayboy knows its a mixture of nature and environment

I'm amazed how many people no so little about sexuality

It's a treatable mental illness that was improperly removed from the DSM.

>content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,948045,00.html

>theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/SocrdsHowAmerGay.htm

>amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology#Mental_health_issues

Tbh in 2016 you'd have to be mentally I'll to spend your life with a western female

Everyone develops sexual preferences as they age, being mentally ill is a subconscious choice.

/thread

Yes I did what I shouldn't do /thread'ing my own post, y'all can fuck off

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I can tell you it's not a choice.

Us Christians have been saying it

What's the treatment? I would like to stop having this attraction.

Bisexuals retard, actual homos cant choose.

>actual homos cant choose.
Exactly.

Given enough factors tendencies can develop and even change, and while there exists tendencies from birth, such tendencies of the mind can be changed given enough factors.

You'll notice that once people develop fetishes, it's hard to change or get rid of said fetishes. Yet it is not impossible. The same can be said about anger and other emotional tendencies of the mind. And even if one does change, sometimes there still exists remnants of such tendencies since they became accustomed to such tendencies.

People simply don't want to change as most don't know how to go about it or don't find a need to do so. It should also be noted that by principle, homosexuality is pursued primarily by lust of hedonistic desire since it relates to sexual attraction which differentiates it from mere deep friendship. Homosexuality is a fetish.

Overall, people are given a sexual tendency with individualistic degrees of strength, develop with individualistic degrees of strength, solidified with individualistic degrees of strength, and can always be changed with individualistic degrees of strength.

After all, in it's most basic/elemental state, sexual orientation is simply an a attraction of the mind. One that is always sexual. Keep in mind however, that there also exists "invisible" and "visible" attraction. This means that a tranny may have "visibly" pseudo-feminine characteristics but the "invisible" masculine characteristics (the idea that it is a male, it can only reproduce as a male, it was once a male, etc.) may change the overall attraction to one of disgust and dislike.

In summary, people always have the ability to change sexual orientation/attraction/fetishes , just that most/ the vast amount of people have no reason to change, don't want to change, and ultimately don't know how to change. Like Christians, even when persecuted they'll not convert/change. People generally don't like changing their beliefs/way of life/tendencies/desires.

How can I change then? Is there a treatment for it?

What does Sup Forums think of the gay germ hypothesis?

If you don't know what it entails exactly please do so before ridiculing it.

jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/

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ah okay

It's true nobody is born homosexual but someone 'turning' homosexual is more like a series of factors like parents, society/school/country, even family can contribute on someone turning gay.

For example I might be gay myself, but I never claimed I was born this way, my father is a drunk and almost never at home, so the lack of a fatherly figure when I was a kid handicapped my 'masculinity' in some ways, I had no man to look up to and I only had my mother so I was already doing gay stuff by the age of 6 and I thought it was completely normal since I had no one to tell me what's normal or not.

Sadly it is too late to change who I am, my entire teen years only made me sink in deeper into homosexuality, in which it's more than a fetish as I can jerk off to both women and men, however I despise the thought of being with a woman simply because I cannot stand them anymore because they're all I've had while I was growing up.

I always thought the 'I was born this way' mentality was bullshit, when I was a kid I didn't even know that touching my friend's dick was 'gay' and how I had absolute zero interest in girls, still to this day I keep all of this stuff private and I couldn't care less about gay marriage.

Overall I'm a faggot, but at least I'm not a faggot enough to go to these gay parades and being a attention whore because I didn't get enough attention from my daddy, but one thing you'll always find in common about all gays is that there was something wrong with their dad, in some shape or form.

Freuds hypothesis was that you are looking for your father in other men, but as men normally aren't loving to other men like a father is to a child, you need to offer them sth in exchange for it, which is your ass.

The trick i think was to internalize your father into yourself or sth like that by developing character

It's too late for that I'm afraid, I've been a faggot for so long it's the only thing I know, at least I don't have to worry about marriage and alimony and other crap, also I'm doing the world a favor by eliminating my shitskin mulato genes out of the face of this earth

>tfw an austrian proved this earlier today.

same

shit is getting old. they should host on tor

>subconscious choice.
>subconscious
>choice.
pick one

>implying i'm going to read all of that.

50 CCS of Tryviaggin

you are aware enough to notice its a dead end lifestyle

imo, if you are one of those (ive only actually seen them on TV, don't know if they actually exist) gays that have self respect, and you don't really care, then go with it

but the problem with gays is they are self-apologetic fags, and being those two things is trash, is the worst personality vice you can have


>choices can't be made under layers of psychological shielding/rationalization

Check your privi^H^H^H^H^Hdictionary. Sodomy is the only form of sexual relations that faggots are capable of.

Did Freud have a hypothesis on lesbians? I know a few lesbians from single mother homes. Are they looking for a father figure too?

i think Freud's position on every psychological problem in women was that they needed to get a good dicking

that calmed them down

>quoting Fraud

Meh, everything else in psychology is built upon his shoulders, if you don't think psychology is a scam (which i think it is) then you either accept his theories or don't trust psychology at all

penis envy

Can you explain? From what google gave me, they want to be a futa? Or is the possession like ownership?

I agree with Freud's position but is anyone really gonna fuck Leslie "Harambe" Jones?

Neo-Freudians like Lacan expanded upon this pretty usefully. Before you can internalize the Father, the infant ego first has to differentiate between itself and Mother; grow its own ego as a separate consciousness. For an infant there is no distinction between itself and the world and the objects in it. This is pure narcissism.

Typical male homosexuality is an ego-development disturbance somewhere in these early stages-- an "object-relations" malfunction during ego formation.

Narcissists of whatever type are caused by neurotic mothers who disfigure the infant ego growth with her projections, through which she cannot see the infants needs clearly, which fucks up the infants instincts and understanding of itself, and so the differentiation from the Mother is disturbed and the narcissism remains.

Fags are not attracted to men; they are attracted to bodies like their own and they act like women because the ego did not develop out of that phase properly.

There are many qualifiers and exceptions.

>RT

This is too much info too quick, good communication is about catchy short statements

>Fags are not attracted to men; they are attracted to bodies like their own and they act like women because the ego did not develop out of that phase properly.

I agree doe, deepest secret in the fag community is transfags jerk off to their reflection, if you have seen's Hitchcock's Vertigo, its all there

This is also deeply related:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(mythology)

This study was about how gender identity is not a mutable concept. It was intended to say transsexuality is not a biologically based concept. You are literally reading Russian propaganda where somehow they are misreading the results to imply homosexuality is a choice.

One less brown abomination in the world. You're doing the world a favor in that respect at least.

B-but muh animals do it too

I usually answer this with:
Animals hump legs too

Well obviously there a people that are just born gay
and other people that are fucking mentally ill retards dancing around in dildo costumes with fucked up sexuality basing their whole identity on their sexuality.

Ask yourself this question:

Why would a man or woman choose homosexuality?

Okay, look, I get it, they want sex and the easiest way to obtain it is to be a degenerate and fuck other guys.

You might be drawn to some a e s t h e t i c s of another guy for social reasons (bisexuals are promiscuous and found to have more sexual partners because of claims to be bisexual), you want something that you don't have (bigger dick, abs, larger feet, better looking face), and many other general SOCIAL CUES, many gays are known to be abusing drugs (WEED, amphetamines, poppers, x, mdma, etc).

You literally conditioned yourself into fucking women. I get it. It's a tough world, and you know what?

That doesn't make what you're doing okay.

It isn't okay to parade naked in front of children either.

God I hate scum.

There are decent people who are gay, and then there are the degenerates who fucking make homosexuality horrible.

The gay parades and shit? Absolute trash. Why should I care about you? Who acts like scum, when there are impressionable children you are ACTIVELY forcing YOUR LIFESTYLE upon?

>Well obviously there a people that are just born gay
why is it obvious?

Plenty of good answers already ITT tbqh family

>gays condemned again
>lesbians get off scott-free because men are supposed to be roastie servants/handlers and it's "hot"

Fuck off tradcons. Let your fellow faggot men roam free. They have escaped a terrible fate.

Lesbians literally don't exist

Google it

anybody has the capacity to be gay

I could fuck a stranger in a truck stop if I wanted and say I'm gay.
If someone offered me a billion dollars to suck their dick and say I was gay, I'd probably do it.
It means nothing. It's a pointless term.

You always knew the kid that had limp wrists since forever.

its like the female version of wanting to be the little girl

they want to be the alpha chad

>''hey dude lets make a credible news channel to spread the truth to the people, our credibility is of utmost importance!''

>''Lets call it Russia Today!''

Not since forever, since early childhood

But it's an important difference

Trusting a fucking propaganda site ever.

People chose plenty of autodestructive behaviours

Welp, i guess that refutes my argument

Kremlin did nothing wrong

guys we need to stop discussing Freudian psychology before /sci/ laughs at us

Would you have anything to do with women if you didn't want to fuck them? The answer is no.
So... what if you didn't even want to fuck them?

Sounds AMAZING!!!!

Freud is a meme

yes, but it's frowned upon these days.

ur life is a meme

kek

Almost all the bisexuals/homosexuals I know were abused as children, either violently or sexually. My theory is that they were sexually abused and focus on this, and eventually fetishise it and it becomes their sexuality. There are exceptions of course but no-one is 'born this way', it's mainly environmental. If there was a gay gene, it would have died out by now because homosexuals don't reproduce.

>implying limp wrists and affected intonations are encoded in matter

Well the standard method is to show you nudey pics of men and then beat you with a cane or electrocute your balls whenever you get a hard-on.

I don't know about drugs, but if you really really want to stop being gay, you have to work hard.
It's basically a habit that you developed over years. You can't just stop it from one day to the next or with a week of "therapy". It's not an on/off switch, at least if you spent a good amount of your life believing it and acting it out. If you just queered off once, you should just be able to say "I won't do it again".

You have to want it, and put a lot of work into it.
Which means, if you find yourself having "gay thoughts", you need to have the mental strength to say no, I don't want that.
If you have gay sex on a regular basis, don't do it anymore.
If you masturbate, don't open up gay porn, not even straight porn with dicks in it.

Obviously it's hard, especially when you're constantly bombarded with "gay is okay" propaganda, but if you really want it and have the mental strength for it, you can do it.

I've read that pride parades exist purely for the purpose of acceptance; fags know their behaviour isn't normal, and as such they are all deeply unhappy people who know they are broken. And they think that if everyone accepts them, they'll magically stop being unhappy. Obviously this will not happen though, and will never happen.

Is this really news? I converted every somewhat good looking "lesbian" when I was in uni. Gay is just a label for special snowflakes and gib me dats.

>I agree doe, deepest secret in the fag community is transfags jerk off to their reflection
Are you serious?

They don't become gay. They fuck men because there is no other option. They're still attracted to women, but they choose to fuck men. It's very different from being genuinely attracted to men.

I think it calls for a new Daily Struggle!

I've started going to therapy to deal with being sexually abused as a child by my dad. I can't remember terribly much, only a few things, but he's weird as fuck and I'm only starting to realise just how fucked up my childhood was.

Wouldn't it make sense that I would have an aversion to men? A lot of men who have been abused do. Woud I also not have an attraction to older men? I don't.

I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely interested because the whole 'born this way' makes sense to me but as does the 'nature and nuture' aspect. A mate of mine came out and he had a perfect childhood and actually got on terribly well with his father, I envied him a bit in all honestly because I never had one.

I remember being young and thinking I was 'meant' to be a girl because I 'liked boys' but also thought I was too faggy/girly to hang out with the boys/play rugby. Hasn't been until recently, in my 20s, then I've realised I was wrong in thinking that, I actually come across as quite staunch and, as funny as it feels for me to say, masculine.

Some people are just beyond treatment.

I just want to live my life in peace. Why do pol fags keep on harassing me.

The frusturating answer to this and most questions is "we have no idea". It's a combination of seemingly endless variables from genetics to environment.

do you guys think a south korean plastic surgeon could turn her into something beautiful?

>Wouldn't it make sense that I would have an aversion to men? A lot of men who have been abused do. Woud I also not have an attraction to older men? I don't.

No, it doesn't work this way, mind works by layers of symbolic linking one over the other, therefore until someone reverse-engineers your psyche and finds out what each concept actually links to, you can't know what your aversions or fetishes exactly root from

You could fear the colour red cause while you were getting raped you had your eyes fixated on a red sweater

All males have a subconscious hatred of women rooted in their childhood emasculation by their mothers.

It is psychologically intolerable that adult males are sexually dependent on women in maturity, so they sublimate their distress and insecurity at that situation into hatred for homosexuals and unattached men.

They hate their own dependency and weakness on that which they loathe (women), but cannot escape that dependency and weakness, so they project that hatred onto those not encumbered by it--virgins and homos.

>You could fear the colour red cause while you were getting raped you had your eyes fixated on a red sweater
Ah, that makes sense.

Apparently it's terribly common for childhood sex abuse victims to dislike water in the face. It's actually something I have thought/noticed. When watching films/tv shows they often (almost always actually, I think) have people facing the water (I remember in the episode of Friends where Joey is the butt double he does this). I can't do it at all.

For those of you who weren't abused, do you face the water when you shower? My back is to the water for the mjaority of the time when I shower.

>Bisexuals retard, actual homos cant choose

You base this sentence on 144 science paper research or your "feels"?

you need to do your duty and have kids so we dont get outbred by mongoloid immigrants and raise the kids properly, sexuality be damned

I always face the water when I shower. I never even knew that being afraid of it was a thing. Interesting.

I don't follow your logic of the water in the face thing

wtf, there are institutions in the US that are homophobic, shocker. /s

Yeah i heard the same thing too in a book i read some weeks ago, there was also this very interesting thing i think may relate...apparently people who were raped as kids can't lick their elbows either

Plenty of fags were raped by family members as children. That's how the gay plague is spread.

I want to, I sincerely want to have no less than seven kids (that's the bare minimum I'd be ok with, not happy with, ok with) and actually want to get rich enough to support a few woman who would otherwise have IVF babies on their own.

I've always felt weird around kids though (even when I was little). I can't explain it, they just scare me. My cousins boys like me and it freaks me out. I mentioned this to my therapist and she said "Kids are actually pretty good judges of character" but it didn't settle me at all.

I'd straight up have to hire woman to bathe and dress my kids, I'd not feel 'right' doing it at all.

Nice dubs

It's not my logic it's apparently a 'thing' with kiddy abuse victims, it's a massive aversion to water in the face (from the shower, being splashed etc).

>Yeah i heard the same thing too in a book
As if a nigger would ever/could ever read a book.

You feel weird around kids because paedophilia is contagious

Please don't have kids if you're gay, it's selfish as fuck. My father came out of the closet when I was in my 20s, and suddenly everything clicked into place. Luckily I turned out straight as an arrow and was never fiddled by family members or anything.

with this level of delusion you are making yourselves a really easy target lads desu senpai and i dont want to see these zealots in power

It takes two to tango, as long as you can be a strong role model for them to follow a good wife can take care of the stuff you're not so comfortable with.
Theres a reason why statistically kids that come from 2 parent households do better than single parent households.
The only way to overcome the immigration menace we face is to rear better and more successful offspring or we'll be overrun

wat

>Please don't have kids

Apparently the water aversion thing was a real thing, im sorry, i thought you were being funny, specially because of this:

>do you face the water when you shower? My back is to the water for the mjaority of the time when I shower.

Made it sound too broad

>trying this hard to say its not gods fault

also, russian news sources on homosexuality is a bit meh, isnt propaganda thereof illegal there? Theyd get killed if they said anything wrong about it