"Liberal- the concept the the primary or even only purpose of government (or society as a whole) is to maximize the personal liberty and equality of its people. Broadly divided into two groups, those focused on liberty (called Classic Liberals) and those focused on equality (Social Liberals" >Straight out the the encyclopedia and polisci textbooks, kids
That means 99.997% of all the political bullshit in the modern world is one flavor of liberal fucking with another flavor or liberal.
Communism, Feminism, Objectivism, Libertarianism, Republicanism, Laissez-faire Capitalism, Anarchism, Socialism, Republicans, Labour, Tories, Whigs, Liberals, Progressives, SJWs, even most of the "alt-right".... ALL FUCKING LIBERALS!!! So, unless you want a king, an aristocracy, a strong central Church - you're left-wing *BY DEFINITION*. Want to save the world? Doff your hat to the king, bend your knee to God, and get back to your family.
>I didn't read the post FTFY Arguing amongst Liberal ideas can be a large arena, obviously. But it all boils down to Liberals on Liberals. Just because some Anarchists hate Capitalists doesn't mean they aren't both Liberal concepts
Grayson Miller
Most polacks fascist, want to restrict voting to landed white men, or are an-cap.
Nearly all Sup Forums politics are anti-democratic and neoreactionary
Where do you think you are?
Adrian Johnson
..and thus modern "Conservatism" is just a type of Liberalism, *like I said*. Duh.
Ethan Cox
This might've been true when Sup Forums was a fascism vs libertarianism and fascism + libertarianism vs everyone else board but now it's a mostly clericalist, neoreactionary board that wants to restore monarchism and religious law.
Jaxson Edwards
>the primary or even only purpose of government (or society as a whole) is to maximize the personal liberty and equality of its people. of it's people or it's citizens.
I have good reasons to ask this question :^)
Sebastian Allen
You're right. I want my Emperor back and my Church strong once more. Conservatism is simply an opposite force trying to brake the advances of full-blown revolution. Because it can't stop revolutionary thinking completely, it keeps giving ground, every year, a little less traditional.
Tradition is God, King and Family.
Matthew Smith
Also:
>if you don't believe in a jewish semitic god you're a left winger
kek, deism was a near universal trait of early classical liberals, op
Henry Hall
AnCap = Liberal Fascism = Liberal Again: do you support a strong Church, a strong Aristocracy, and a monarch who rules by divine right? Because that's what "Right Wing" means - supporting a strong Church, a strong Aristocracy, and a monarch who rules by divine right.
Landon Lee
Which is why this is a perfect place to put it: to remind true Right Wingers that the world is confused because they use words improperly.
Jordan Russell
Denique caelum!
Lincoln Morris
It's almost as if words gain different connotations over time.
Christian Cox
Deism is a rejection of actual Christianity in favor of a 'Progressive' feelgoodism. Read a book. Or are you one of those >hurrr, durrr, I want to pretend I know what Thor worship was like just like people that converted to Christianity to better themselves sorts?
Liam Flores
>that's what right wing meant two hundred years ago
ftfy
Robert Smith
Left-side/Right-side doesn't meant anything. It's all about the context.
Brayden Brooks
>I can't grasp the actual meaning of the OP FTFY
Dominic Sullivan
Always the baguette.
Carter Rodriguez
>Fascism = Liberal
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John Myers
>"Hey, everybody! If I try and pretend, can 'believing that the primary or only role of government and society is to maximize personal freedom' NOT mean "Liberal" anymore? Huh? I'll clap my hands and repeat 'I do believe in fairies' a WHOLE LOT!!" FTFY
Benjamin James
Statism is not conservative
True conservatism is rejecting the distinction between family and government, of """nation""" and home
Only a libcuck wants to live under a foreign ruling power paying taxes to an empowered thug, taking part in """traditions""" that have nothing to do with them
Conservatism = hearth and family, all else is horseshit
Eli Campbell
You are using left wing dialectic, you do understand your application and review of these positions is made by revolutionaries, yes?
>fascism = liberalism
>muh fascists are left wingers!
Nonsense. I do support a strong 'church', but not to a semitic volcano deity, likewise I support aristocracy and natural law and rule, including the natural authority of kings.
Adrian Morales
I thought Sup Forums just moved over the right because they thought the left had gone insane and aren't dumb enough to support a third-party.
Gavin Allen
>muh no true Christian
No, I am not a worshiper of Thor, and no, converting to cuckstianity did not lead to betterment long term.
Nolan Ortiz
You sound retarded.
Samuel Lee
"The Fascist economic system of Corporatism, sometimes called Syndicalism, was designed to ease class warfare via collaboration between the proletariat, bourgeoisie, and capitalist classes..." -On Fascism "Fascism is for the liberty of the state and for the liberty of the individual." "Fascism is opposed to monarchy, opposed to the Church, and for the freedom of the individual" May, it is like you've never read The Doctrines of Fascism, huh?
Camden Lee
First of all, I do support a strong church, monarch, aristocracy, etc. So even by your faggot definition I'm right wing. Second, you're fucking retarded. The ideals of fascism are so diametrically opposed to modern streams of socialism that I can't help but laugh at your dumb ass.
Calling them the same shows you're a fucking autistic nigger caught up on semantics. You have a simplistic understanding of history and politics. Please, kill yourself.
Jordan Evans
>having a government that benefits those under it is all liberalism So only governments that directly go against the citizenry are right wing?
If you haven't realized the main friction between the left and right wings is what the citizenry consists of and what basic rights they should have. Just because society naturally takes on forms based on appeasing the majority of those in the structure doesn't mean all of political thought is one sided.
The left and right has fundamentally changed since Republics and classical liberalism overthrew every other government system in the western world. You're thinking with the insight of a time long gone.
Lincoln Edwards
"Individual liberty, maaaaaan. I don't have no connections to nobody but who I want because I am a FREE MAN and I love Liberty!" >"Uh... what do you mean a focus on individual liberty is just the Classical form of Liberalism? No way! I AM TO a Conservative, even if I base my worldview on Liberal concepts!" You're actively pathetic in your ignorance
Gavin Williams
Its hopeless, this board kiterally worships a gay man now
Jaxson Thomas
National Socialists = yup, Lefties. Italian fascists? Yup, lefties (see the Doctrine of Fascism, nitwit) Franco and the Phalangists? Right wing Of course, they were religious >Cite natural law, reject Christianity >mfw
Blake Reyes
>I very literally have NO IDEA what 'Deism' actually means Thanks for confirming that >Postiing from a forum with no actual input from Catholic theologians, priests, bishops, etc. - just various people on a forum like Sup Forums, damn near Was that supposed to mean something? You *DO* know that Catholic view Catholic Answers as hopelessly Liberal, right?
Cameron Cook
I don't disagree that Fascism is doesn't have roots in classical liberalism, it's just that your narrative is tired.
>YHWH existing >YHWH being the source of nature
Christianity is spiritual Bolshivism, mein kamerad, you can see how those self-same Phalangists eventually resigned themselves to other forces, their volcano demon faith was meant for Hebrews, not Spaniards
Cameron Turner
>maximize the personal liberty and equality
im more focused on taking away liberties and equality of non whites though.
so im a real right winger
Benjamin Thompson
>Fascism is opposed to socialism, so it can't be Liberal So.... you're retarded. Capitalism is opposed to Socialism, too, and it is also Liberal. Just because two positions disagree with each other doesn't mean they can't share core traits, after all.
Dylan Thomas
>more no true christian
Not an argument ;) Now if you'll excuse me, some cardinals and I are going to teach Africans how to have more children
Jason Bailey
Then what do you define as right and left?
Because historically the 20th century definition of it has generally been a redeclaration of who's in the in groups as in nation states and government systems and what does the in group get from joining in.
The left broadens the group and promises them more benefits from the old hierarchy.
The right narrows the group and shows the more compact well working system created will create more prosperity for them.
That's the real difference between the modern right and left. Classical liberalism has become modern libertarianism, left and right have repositioned themselves on the battle board of politics.
Don't be stupid trying to use a 18th century mentality to construct the modern 21st century world. You have no points other than 'muh semantics.' Stop shit posting.
Elijah Gomez
>having a government that benefits those under it is all liberalism You're conflating 'promoting individual liberty or equality' with 'only benefits'. The problem is that Liberalism is irrational, so all Liberal systems are also irrational. That's why people had more individual liberty under kings >he left and right has fundamentally changed False; the Left fights among itself and the Right is largely absent.
Hunter Jackson
>So, unless you want a king, an aristocracy, a strong central Church - you're left-wing *BY DEFINITION*.
But wasn't the breakup of the Roman empire a REBELLION by those various provincial kinds? Wasn't Christianity a dethroning of the Roman pagan gods?
The rebellion started 2000 years ago. Liberalism and capitalism are the children of feudalism and Christianity.
Nathan Bennett
Read the post again, you mouth-breathing mongoloid
Asher Butler
"Deism - belief in a supreme being that does not interact with the universe. Developed in the early 18th Century as a direct rejection of Judeo-Christian belief in miracles and especially the Incarnation" So.... By definition, Deists aren't Christian. I suggest you use google before you embarrass yourself even worse.
Jose Nguyen
>"Conservatism means I do what I want, fuck kaings 'n sheeit" Yeah, real Conservative, pal.
Nolan Perry
>rejection in belief in miracles and incarnation
Does not disqualify people from being Christian
Might want to read the bible next time, before you embarrass yourself even worse
Ryan Myers
read
the post
again
you fucking
mouth-breathing mongoloid ;D
Matthew Moore
But I'm not for either equality nor liberty?
Blake Cruz
>more individual liberty under kings Then why did the citizenry overthrow them for a representative republic and never looked back?
Saying the right is absent is like saying Muslims are Jews and Christians are Muslims since the theology tree led to the creation of all the religions. You ignore the fact that the left and right has fundamentally changed since the end of feudalism mostly because it was an inefficient economic model that capitalism and free markets overthrew by natural competition of the models.
Again, Fascism and Nationalist states use the authoritarian figures like that of monarchies to uphold traditional values and hierarchies and in group preference in the state, like that of monarchies but are actually feasible with today's economics. You ignore history and changing definitions that are dependent on the modern world and try to use a perspective long discarded to prove points while ignoring all the models that say you're full of shit because muh semantics.
Just get out of high school today kid?
Samuel Fisher
>Want to save the world? >Doff your hat to the king, bend your knee to God, and get back to your family. The only Kings I'd support are Jesus, Aragorn, and Stannis Baratheon.
Ryder Powell
>ITT retard fails to grasp basic concepts like "relativity" and hence utterly fails at utilizing set theory
>True conservatism is rejecting the distinction between family and government, of """nation""" and home good god, stop reading Ayn Rand
James Rodriguez
>You ignore history and changing definitions that are dependent on the modern world and try to use a perspective long discarded to prove points while ignoring all the models that say you're full of shit because muh semantics. this is the precise "relativity" that OP fails to grasp
Carson Cruz
>rejection in belief in miracles and incarnation >Does not disqualify people from being Christian
