Europeans get their kids taken away for teaching them

>Europeans get their kids taken away for teaching them
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THEY HAVE AN UNLICENSED BLACKBOARD
POW POW POW

How dare you not want to be indoctrinated by public school and have your children bullied by muslims and apathetic teachers HOW DARE YOU!!

OI MATE GOT YA TEACHING LICENSE OR ARE WE GUNNA HAVTA TAKE YA TO THE SLAMMER?

and i found 4 of them

do you really want more varg situations

>3 unique IDs in the thread when he posted this
That public education at work.

>children bullied by muslims
a common occurence in canada apparently

>apathetic teachers
oh nosies
the teacher didn't treat canada like the special little boy his mommy told him he was

>more varg situations
Yeah, his kids have turned out so bad-

>the virgin neet homeschooled
>the chad public schooled

who cares, you are a dumb fuck inbred, gypsie tier subhuman

T. Child abusing teacher who can't even get his class under control and has to repeat the same lesson everyday for months to keep up with the Poor crackhead kids who can't even spell by grade 6.

>germany
they also prohibit paternity testing if the mother won't agree to it, and if you find out your kid isn't yours, you are still considered the parent by the law. they just see these things... well, differently

lmao
the "special" boy is mad

You gonna come take away my kids bro? You gonna take away my kids now bro? I would like to see one of you eurangutan socialist nanny state cock suckers even try...

>leafs trying to act witty (or though, not really sure what he is trying to do)

While parents who homeschool their children are pretty retarded and kinda evil, it should still be their choice(and the kid should probably have some input too). With a few requirements like sticking to a school plan and having required "field days" where the children have tests and shit in a proper school. Sort of like online classes. I'm guessing more normal countries who allow it have something similar?

>“It is a great democratic achievement,” Hoffmann said of the policy.
>“Often what lies behind the desire for homeschooling are radically religious groups. It cannot be within the interests of democracy to fulfill these unreasonable demands.”
A fucking state official think it's more democratic to force children to learn only government sanctioned lessons in government sanctioned public schools where parents have no input into their children's education and kids are forced to be taught by government sanctioned teachers under the threat of police action, fines and prison time.

I'm not really sure what his deal is either.

>In August 2013, the Wunderlich family had just begun their first homeschooling lesson of the year near Darmstadt, Hesse, when around two dozen police officers and social workers “stormed the home” using a battering ram
kek, the family name literally means "excentric" and they're from my home town
>In 2014, Germany’s Constitutional Court ruled that restrictions on homeschooling were justified, explaining that the community at large has a valid interest in preventing the formation of religious or ideological parallel societies.
which seems reasonable but is a double standard nonetheless considering Islam classes here are organized by DITIB, an Ankara puppet organization, fostering those precisely
wouldn't ever sent any potential kids to public schools anymore, they're cesspools with constantly eroding standards, but some private schools should still be alright; sucks for people that can't afford them
homeschooling should be allowed

>While parents who homeschool their children are pretty retarded and kinda evil
Who told you that, your teachers?

No. I just think you kinda have to hate your kid to deprive them of one of the most important aspects in their life as growing people, especially if you do it for cultural or religious reasons. Of course if you have a legit reason like serious bullying or learning/social difficulties then it's more then fine, then it's probably preferred.

I hate Muslims and fags as much has the next guy, bit I also think children should be allowed to form their own opinions. You know, let them see for themselves and understand why they should hate Muslims, it will probably just strengthen their resolve if anything.

>deprive them of one of the most important aspects in their life as growing people
How the fuck is state school one of the most important aspects of their life? You talk about public school like it's water or something, people didn't even go to school until a hundred years ago and I know in Sweden it's illegal but here in the states homeschooled kids are perfectly normal and actually outperform public school kids by a whole school year on average.
>You know, let them see for themselves and understand why they should hate Muslims
You shouldn't have to throw your kid in a volcano to teach them magma is bad.

>How the fuck is state school one of the most important aspects of their life?
You know, a healthy social life, experiencing the world outside your home and family, being influenced by your peers. I thought it was kinda obvious.
>homeschooled kids are perfectly normal
I'm not saying all of them will turn into school shooters or anything. Just why would you as a parent purposefully deny your children such an important part of their lives? Imagine yourself having no school mates to have fun and bond with, some who might grow into lifelong friends, no girls to crush on and find out about the sourness and excitement of love, no learning to deal with bullies, no individual responsibility, no school time memories. It must be awful.
>outperform public school kids by a whole school year on average.
Oh don't get me wrong I have no qualms about the academic side. It's just the social and personal growth side I have a problem with.
>You shouldn't have to throw your kid in a volcano to teach them magma is bad.
You shouldn't have to use a hyperbole to make your point seem valid.

i think both school and parents are sadly toxic to children in many ways.

You are strange Japananon.

>“stormed the home” using a battering ram
is this really an appropriate response to suspected homeschooling?

That is true. But I think overall sending your kid too school will probably help them more in the long run. Again if they don't have a special reason for being home schooled. Giving a kid social upbringing will probably help them more in life in the long run than making them isolated but more academically gifted.

And I would like to reiterate that I vehemently believe homeschooling should be legal and the fact that it isn't in places like Sweden and Germany is a huge disgusting infringement on our civil liberties and it makes me fucking angry.

Sorry but if you're that convinced public school is the only place a kid can be socialized I don't know what to say.

It's not the only place, but it is by far the most significant place.

I bet you think a child should be more socialized by your church congregation.

I'm an atheist sweetie, try again

In that case I'm genuinely curious why you think that public school is not important for a child's social skills. I had pretty much assumed that anyone who disagreed was a religious loon. Literally every single home school kid I've encountered was a massive fucking weirdo.

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The only reason kids make most their friends in school is because they're forced to go there 8 hours a day, five days a week for 13 years. School breeds narcissism, bullying, and blind obedience which are all terrible for a kid's social development. In addition, kids are only able to interact with 20 other kids all day (in Elementary school at least), all of which are the same age. This leads to kids making friends with people they don't even like, creating the bitchy politics between kids that are made infamous in American media. Kids would be much better suited getting their socialization from sports, scouts, clubs, homeschool groups, or (the horror!) fucking PLAYING, something kids get no chance to do anymore.

>PLAYING, something kids get no chance to do anymore
Don't american children play at school and after school?
I always went to the park with my mother after a school day, playing football and having fun with the lads.

no more recess

They get like 10 minutes a day to play on the playground at school if they're lucky. I guess whether they play after school depends on the parent but considering how busy parents are and how little time they get with their kids, I doubt it happens much, especially since parents are scared of their children being raped by literally every stranger they meet.

>the absolute state of american society

I seriously doubt it's much better in France, do you have children?

I seriously doubt you know better about my country than I know about yours, with all american "culture" we get to see every fucking day in Europe.
Also I've never heard of parents being scared that their children get raped while playing, and most people value family more than work. America's unhealthy work ethics is detrimental to your family life, and to the development of children.

I don't mean to suggest that I think your stance on the issue is completely irrational, but I still disagree. The reality is that since 99% of kids are going to public school, the ones who don't will be perceived as strange by everyone else. Nobody wants to be different. Public school was a fucking nightmare, but I'm so glad I went desu.

Normal kid. Gets homeschooled by religious fundamentalists. Comes out autistic and socially handicapped! MANY SUCH CASES!

that's pretty bad

I was in public school and I still came out autistic and socially retarded.
>tfw no gf

That's scary and disgusting. The USA is not a wholesome country.

why are people in this thread vehemently defending publicly funded schools?

The only thing kids learn in public schools is how great public schools are.

>MANY SUCH CASES!

Yeah provide us with some data.
You're just regurgitating teacher's unions talking points.
There's plenty of data on the failings of the public school system and the bullying and sociopaths it produces.
That idea that the prison environment of most public schools prepares people for the real world or college for that matter is a strange one.

i noticed this too actually, all the lefties who cried about going to school everyday talk about how evil private and home schooling is

Bump

Americans get their kids taken away by bullets.

Canadians are Americans.

Canadians get their kids taken away by Chinese men.

user rustled some jimmies with this one

I needed a good chuckle. Thanks user.

Germans

that's france

How about per capita cases

Just tell the cops it's an Islamic school, then you can teach all the religious extremism and hate you want

>A fucking state official think it's more democratic to force children to learn only government sanctioned lessons in government sanctioned public schools
yes? "Democratic" doesn't mean "lolbertarian, just do whatever you want bruh lamo".

People who defend homeschooling should realize one thing: if it becomes legal, it will be use mainly by sandniggers to keep their children completely separated from whitey. Integration is already bad enough, this would just finish culturally separating the goatfucker population.

The problem is you imagine homeschooling would turn the world into a giant playpen for healthy kids doing all kinds of cool shit.
The reality is white people would still send their kids to some sort of school or daycare because they work, while arab kids would just start roaming around and becoming useless shits even sooner.

>Germany
>Latest headlines
>Should Germany get rid of the word 'fatherland' from its national anthem?

Heheheh

This.
Virtually every kids goes to school.
But not many go to catholic churches.

Another thing to consider is that parents usually go with their kids to church. The kids getting molested are the ones going to sunday school, or spending extra time at church (choir, etc.)

So, you are comparing a two massively different pool of samples.

Homeschooling is great, get your kid to a high school level by age 13 or younger
Teachers are too slow, there's a lot of retardation in classrooms and a lot of pointless bullshit.
I remember my school in the UK teaching kids stupid shit like how to take care of animals, cooking class (British "food"), fucking knitting. All I wanted to learn was Science and Maths
Having friends is overrated, most school friends drift apart and getting into university at a younger age beats the shitty experiences of school.
t. British Paki on holiday

>Swedish
>is maoist
colour me surprised

Looks like a whore, were you being ironic?

this lmao

Here dumb kids, normies and smart kids go to different schools. I think the same goes for Germany and Belgium.

This is very good.
I support this.

There are 4 levels of education for dumb kids (60% of the population), 1 for normies (20% of the population) and 2 for smart kids (20%)

>A fucking state official think it's more democratic to force children to learn only government sanctioned lessons in government sanctioned public schools where parents have no input into their children's education and kids are forced to be taught by government sanctioned teachers under the threat of police action, fines and prison time.
Mee too.
First we have American Creationists abusing this and then Muslim Koran schools.

How about no!

this only happens when the parents actually know how to fucking teach, which is rarely the case

Yeah, but SJWs want to get rid of that (muh inclusionism), sending literal retards to normal school classes, totally ignoring the bottleneck this creates

The child's right to quality education trumps the parent's right to get to do whatever the fuck they want with their kid.

>Americans think housewives with no qualifications should teach their kids

>The child's right to quality education

Rights are a fiction, a fairy tale they teach in school. The right of a man to be called a woman and so on.

God, this is the same pathetic "cynicism" the ignorant and apathetic try to spout. muh social constructs are imaaginary so dat means noone should act according to 'em

Of course most people will follow rules. Still, rights are a fiction, something they repeat enough for people to believe in them.

t.

Let your kids learn how to socialize or they'll grow up to be school shooters

You can call them rights, youcan call them gdfkljgjsajkfhnjsa, it doesn't matter, certain standards have to be kept to keep a society functioning and one of those is making sure all kids have a chance at a good education. Retarded fundie homeschooling is not good education.

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In most countries school is simply horrible, and homeschooling is a better option. Also many geniuses have been homeschooled.

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill
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That the whole or any large part of the education of the people should be in State hands, I go as far as any one in deprecating. All that has been said of the importance of individuality of character, and diversity in opinions and modes of conduct, involves, as of the same unspeakable importance, diversity of education. A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another: and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the predominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, a priesthood, an aristocracy, or the majority of the existing generation, in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by natural tendency to one over the body.

>You gonna come take away my kids bro?
You're never going to breed, kid.

Education in germany is top tier, so take your ameriboo wiki articles and shove them.

Europe is a cucked and pussy continent

Wew lad. Such many cases.

Germans are cucked beyond belief, in no small part thanks to state schooling. Same thing with Sweden, it's a Borg hive. No individuality is allowed apart from tattoos and piercings.

The state would be failing entirely in it's role of ensuring the well-being of it's young citizens by not making education a right accessible to all.

Of course a leaf speaks the Truth and Sup Forums gets mad

It could be the local community of parents, a church, or whatever. The wellbeing of people is secondary to a state. Look at armies. People are expendable.

Save your bullshit sentimentalist arguments about muh individuality. Concrete data of success in life that public schools provide is what's important. "Individual expression" is about as relevant a term for education as "decadence" and "human nature". It's just some subjective ideal of your own concoction.

>Individuality is sentimental bullshit
Academic success is important but living for conformity is stifling and awful

>The wellbeing of people is secondary to a state
>It could be the local community of parents, a church, or whatever
And it isn't to any of those? The number one most common alternative to state school is private school. And those profit driven schools sure as shit don't put the wellbeing of people first.

It's not a question of one or the other. I'm just saying having "individuality" in an argument about education sounds as subjective and irrelevant as someone talking about "decadence" in an argument about banning veils in schools.

The only people defending homeschooling are religious hardliners that want to make sure their children are brainwashed with exactly the world view they approve of. Of course it has a lot of defendants in the US because these nutbags founded your country. It's a country by loonies for loonies.

>Concrete data of success in life that public schools provide is what's important.
All data shows homeschooled kids outperform public school kids by a wide margin, what are you on about?