Why isn't this board Libertarian anymore? Fascism and Libertarianism are polar opposite ideologies

Why isn't this board Libertarian anymore? Fascism and Libertarianism are polar opposite ideologies

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Libertarianism leads to Fascism. The depression of 1920 that was 'allowed to happen' lead to Mussolini coming to power in Italy.

the Fed reduced the money supply which caused the great depression. Also, tariffs were put in place by the government which sank us deeper into the recession. Try again user

Good answer.

Libertarianism is a scam propagated by big business

>yes goy open borders are good, we need to take in millions of arabs and mexicans to lower your wages and move your jobs overseas, free trade is great

It's basically the oppression by capital instead of by government

>allowed to happen
>fails to mention the Fed

Notice how we didn't have economic depressions until after the establishment of the Federal Reserve

Long story short:
- Putin has a well-prepared internet army, hardened during the whole Ukraine shenanigans
- Putin knows our economy and, subsequently he and his jewish/mudshit buddies kadyrov/rotenbergs, are fucked unless the sanctions are lifted by the next year
- He has already received enough hints about the possibility of coup, either by the Chechens or his oligarch 'friends'
- Makes a deal with Trump to use the internet army to get him into office
- Pretty much 90% of Trump's campaign are being led by professional internet trolls (google Olgino / Savushkino)
- All in exchange for the promise of no more sanctions
- The moment this board suddenly forgot that it's libertarian and became some weird natsoc/leftist-in-denial-calling-himself-altright shithole could be traced to the Ukraine happenings

big business can only exist with corporate welfare. In a libertarian society nobody receives welfare, including corporations. Therefore, the economy becomes more diversified

It's election season you fucking newfag

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Libertarians act like the state is the root of all evil in an economy and that without govt we would all be making 300k/year at McJobs. Corporations do collude and fix prices, and natural monopolies are a thing.

>all leftist buzzwords
>"""reason"""

>unironically bragging about retards being swayed by nonarguments

then what's stopping any individual from competing with corporations? Look at what happened to Martin Shkreli, he hiked the prices to his pharmaceutical drug which led to another company coming in and competing with Shkreli by offering a lower price on the same drug

source

time.com/4084455/aids-drung-martin-shkreli/

>(((natural))) monopolies
Unless a company somehow is the only one who can make a certain product or technology, this shouldn't be a thing. Monopolies happen because one guy corners the market early and buys or threatens all their competition out of town

Aka Microsoft

The principle of libertarianism is "I don't mess with you, and you don't mess with me." Previously the major conflict in America was capitalist liberties versus socialist control. People kept voting for capitalism, so Marxists decreased funding for border control to allow anyone to come in. The country was slow to correct this problem, so now we need to solve it at the national level.

Besides, if the only viable candidates are tyrannical, you might as well pick the tyrant who likes you more.

"Big L" Libertarians are ideologues whose ideas die on the altar of "principle". Take what you fucking can and keep an open mind. Trump is our best bet at a better future in the past few decades.

>implying open borders is a problem

good luck finding someone to mow your lawn, or serve you at the gas station counter, or to pick you up in a Taxi

Open borders is often associated with an increase in violent crime. Any law which prohibits a certain act has the adverse consequence of increasing the amount of times that act is committed.

For example, prohibition undoubtedly led to the rise of the Mafia and people of the likes of Al Capone.

My idea is simple, if the drug war (which in my opinion is the cause of the violent crime) were to be ended than we would experience a much safer society and we needn't worry about having a strong border for the purpose of reducing crime and drug importation

Alright, I was with you until that. if we end welfare the niggers, spics, and white trash will either work or starve. open borders is a fools game thats destroyed my home town and state.

>good luck finding someone to mow your lawn, or serve you at the gas station counter, or to pick you up in a Taxi

Yes, before 1965 there were no trimmed lawns, gas stations, or taxis.

.... Lol no. That's stupid. You're stupid.

every Libertarian is their own individual (Lauren Southern likes borders) also, if there are more workers in our economy then the economy grows

>doesn't mention that there weren't as many gas stations trimmed lawns, or taxis

with more people comes a larger economy, maybe the typical American should get off their lazy ass and start a business. Because these foreigners are eating your lunch user

Then why do all libertarians seem to become fascists?

>doesn't mention that we had as many gas stations, trimmed lawns or taxis as we needed.

Your argument for immigration is that we "need" mexicans to do the jobs for us.

We don't.


>Because these foreigners are eating your lunch user

So you admit there's a good case to be made to limit immigration then??

some of them advocated for a transitional period of brutal law and order, which would weed out the degenerates from our society. However, a "temporary dictatorship" seems like a fantasy to me because governments occasionally promise to relinquish some of their power but never do.

Libertarianism is for peaceful times.
Fascism is for desperate times.

And these are most desperate times

Libertarianism needs a low population and a frontier to be viable.

You're assuming immigrants come to this country with the intention of serving us. But they don't, they come here to take advantage of the somewhat free market we have, although I don't think it's free enough. Also, why aren't you motivated by the fact that with more immigrants comes more competition? The American Dream isn't reserved for the ones born here like you and I, it's available to all of those with the intention of advancing themselves economically

>You're assuming immigrants come to this country with the intention of serving us

That was YOUR argument. You implied that the reason we should let them in is so that we can find people to mow our lawns.

That argument falls flat on its face.

>The American Dream isn't reserved for the ones born here like you and I

No, it's reserved for anybody we want it to be reserved for. We have the option to design laws that benefit the country the most.

The congress and the laws exist to serve the american people.... Not to serve foreigners.

What foreigners want is only relevant if we deem it to be relevant to the betterment of our country.... Not for the betterment of THEIR personal economic interests.

If we're going to let people into the country it needs to be justified by the fact that they're likely to improve the country and not make it worse.

Open borders are certainly going to make the country worse for everyone who is already here.

Thats not libertarianism you fucking leaf

you fail to understand that with more people comes more of those who will work, thus growing the economy. Of course, WE don't need foreigners to do menial tasks for us, of course those born here can perform those tasks. However, this nation becomes richer when there are more individuals and companies competing in the marketplace, and the way we attain more individuals is through immigration once the birth rates of Americans stagnate (which they have)

>The American Dream is reserved for anybody we want it reserved for

Of course, that is your opinion. Also, the country benefits by attaining a larger economy and a richer status when individuals are serving their personal economic interests, whether they be foreigner or not

>world is so cruel in 21th century
lel murica

>you fail to understand that with more people comes more of those who will work, thus growing the economy.

The economy cannot grow endlessly. There's a finite number of resources on planet earth.

If we have open borders, people will come to america until america is as bad as whatever shithole they're living in... after that point they will have no reason to come.

Open borders is a sure way to turn the U.S. into a shithole and spread our wealth evenly all over the planet.

Libertarianism is a Jewish ideology.
Ayn Rand is a Jew.
Murray Rothbard is a Jew.
Friedman is a Jew.

The only reason libertarianism saw a revival in the late 00's is because of the economic crisis. Corporate JEWS used the crisis as an excuse to sell off public wellfare in order to 'make the nation better able to compete'. Many billionaires were made and young people were used as tools because young people are stupid as fuck and draw themselves towards anything edgy like a moth turns itself towards a flame.

>I WANT FREEDOM xD
>THE STATE IS THE REASON I CAN'T GET A GIRLFRIEND :DDDD
>I WOULD BE RICH AND SUCCESFUL IF ONLY STEINBERG GOLDMANN GOT A TAX CUT :P
>WHO NEEDS ELDERLY CARE OR LABOR SECURITY, I'M YOUNG. FUCK EVERYONE ELSE XDDD
>THE JEWISH CORPORATIONS IN THE MARKET WILL FIX IT, BECAUSE, UHMM, SOME GUY TOLD ME

I don't think you understand, at all

1) open borders
2) pervasive democracy
3) your current way of life

you can't have all three. you can only choose any two.

the current policy is 1 and 2, which means we're watching 3 completely evaporate.

Politically, fixing 1 is easier than fixing 2. So fixing 1 is what we need to do, because 3 is actually pretty important - much more important than "muh economic growth!"

In Libertarianism what safeguards are in place to prevent an inevitable oligarchy?

Oh, none? Go fuck yourself.

Is Hoppe libertarianism the least cucked political ideology?

>completely anarcho-capitalist
>purge commies and liberals for good measure

oy vey goy just stop trying to tell businesses what to do and they'll naturally act in the best interests of the consumer

oy vey goy if you don't import 100 gorillion mexicans your lawn will remain forever unmowed

Huemerian AnCap is the only true AnCap

>the economy cannot grow endlessly
tell that to Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand and any other nation that practices the free market.

if you don't like Jewish-controlled companies then don't buy their products

they have to act in the best interests or they'll go bankrupt goy

Libertarianism + multiculturalism + Jews = pic related

see

Look at this fag! Mowing his own lawn!

>New Zealand
immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa

Applying for a visa doesn't sound like open borders to me.

literally
>we need immigrants because the whites aren't breeding goy
not buying it Mr. Shekelstein

google.com/search?q=population new zealant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=population new zealand

google.com/search?q=population new zealant&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=swiss population numbers

google.com/search?q=singapore population&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Looks like all of these countries have tiny populations.

I don't understand how any of this demonstrates your point at all.

they have free markets nonetheless

If white birth rates continue the rate at which they currently are you can kiss the white population goodbye.

>they have free markets nonetheless

We're talking about immigration policy.....
There economies don't grow endlessly... they wisely control immigration.

Aren't they showing that I'M correct?

>tiny populations
Imagine if a largely-populated country had the same economic policies. Russia is starting to enjoy the fruits of capitalism, and Putin seems to be in favor of privatization of health care

Because Hillary is fascist.

Heil Hillary!

I'm not against the free market within a country... I'm not arguing against it.

I'm arguing against open borders. Russia doesn't have open borders either.

without immigration the economies of those countries are negatively affected

>without immigration the economies of those countries are negatively affected

I'm not sure that that's true, but regardless...They don't have open borders...

In order to support your position you have to make the case that their economy and quality of life would be BETTER if they had open borders.

I would recommend educating yourself about medieval Iceland, borders were not too much of an issue because everything was privatized.

mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government

>medieval Iceland

So in a time before people could hop on a plane and travel there from all of the shittiest places on the planet. A time before 90% of population of earth even knew iceland existed.

Got it.

>90% of people didn't know about Iceland

were you alive back then?

>were you alive back then?


When people resort to young earth creationist arguments is when i check out.

the only anti librarian are the government shills. its so painfully obvious.

>I think Angela Merkel is a libertarian

This board was always reactionary.
Being diligent, hard-working, decent and conservative is 'edgy' now.

youtu.be/S4CcannofnY

>Fascism and Libertarianism are polar opposite ideologies
Nope. They both think they are right wing and see communism as their enemy.

Heres my story.

Once I was seven years old, my mama told me,"Go make yourself some friends or you'll be lonely."Once I was seven years old
It was a big big world, but we thought we were biggerPushing each other to the limits, we were learning quicker By eleven smoking herb and drinking burning liquor Never rich so we were out to make that steady figure
Once I was eleven years old, my daddy told me,"Go get yourself a wife or you'll be lonely."
Once I was eleven years old I always had that dream, like my daddy before me So I started writing songs, I started writing stories Something about that glory just always seemed to bore me'Cause only those I really love will ever really know me Once I was twenty years old, my story got told Before the morning sun, when life was lonely Once I was twenty years old

Libertarianism is not open borders which is the unrestricted travel across borders and it cannot be done in a libertarian society as since everybody would own something it would force private property owners to do something without their consent, like letting people on their land without asking the owners first.

I was generally speaking for normies to understand

What about the people, like itt, that are self identifying as libertarian, even though they seem to be mistaken on its stances on their favorite issue?

Do you want a country full of these faggots?

youtube.com/watch?v=wv4dEVaVn0Q

I wish bickering morons like this were shot and killed on the spot.

Because libertarianism cannot exist in a society with a material element of non-whiteness, and a white society can only be created via fascism.

A society that believes in unrestrained social liberalism cannot sustain itself. Social liberalism is cultural Marxism and aims to dissolve all barriers between groups. Inevitably this turns society secular which leads them to advocating for a more activist government.

Libertarianism is contradictory when it is implemented. Only a society that believes in some collective source of moral restraint (RELIGION) can maintain a belief in liberty.

Nationalist Capitalism with some form of State Religion is the only way you'll ever get close to a 'free' society.

>American education

Never think for a second that Americans can't think up the dumbest explanation imaginable

It is.

When libertarianism confronts the regressive left, which rejects reason and evidence themselves, we have no weapon left but parody.

Yes there was, they were far more frequent

Modern libertarianism is BAKE THE FUCKING CAKE

because this is an user board and the only weight an idea can have is the argument complementing it. libertardism is for uneducated people so they cant defend their retarded ideas and the board moved on

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>Takes his bow, points out that he wears no fedora, fades back into the shadows to dress as a stormtrooper for the next scene.

We will have Liberty after the marxist are purged from our culture

Because the libertarian movement was a way to get autists to self-select. You are tainted now.

Libertarian ultimately leads back to what we have now. You're just looping back to a previous p[political point in time that will ultimately re-evolve to this state.

FPBP!

No I am a statist/corporatist.

I plan to increase my wealth at plebs expense. Current NW of $4.3M.

This.

Also Libertarianism is a selfish as fuck ideology that allows for subversion where as a strong national socialist country builds a strong people and country.

We're currently past the point in a democratic society in which libertarianism can survive.
Retarded liberals will vote to have everyone's rights taken away from them in exchange for safety and more welfare.

Those of us who just want to be left alone will have nowhere to go as useful idiots who think they're intellectuals force their nanny state bullshit down our throats and condescendingly explain to us what we do and don't "need."

left and right libertarians can no longer stand each other.

Negative.

The closest point we have ever been to a libertarian country we were still FAR from libertarian on several important issues.

It was not our libertarianism, but the authoritarianism with which we mixed it, which set us on the path of downfall.

Each and every war or 'insurrection' since has strengthened the central authority against the states, the states against the locales, and the locales against the citizens on whose backs the edifices of the Republic are erected. As the monuments increase, so his back is strained, so too is the spirit of the Republic strained.

Today that spine is stretched so far a paper airplane at the right spot might well snap it completely.

>They have to

Is it impossible that the consumer doesn't know what's best for him? I can only assume you are a racial egalitarian then.

>implying our current populace could create/maintain a libertarian/an-cap society.

>implying the nigs and spics will calmly accept their gibbs being taken

>implying the (((1%)))) wont band together and form cartels to keep power

You wouldn't build your home on a weak foundation... and there's only one way that's going to happen.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom" -Ben Franklin

im pretty new here, but i would guess it never was. it never was nor is left or right, authoritan or liberal. its just a huge clusterfuck of oppinions, informations and shitposts. however multiple people stated that since the elections it became more and more authoriterian right.

(im here for like one month and a bit, but thats how i see this board)

>We're currently past the point in a democratic society in which libertarianism can survive.

Fucking this. I realized this a long time ago.

>muh non-aggression principal

Pic related.

>muh open borders

Pic also related.

AMERICAN SOIL IS NOT MAGIC. THEY WILL NOT CATCH A FREEDOM MIND VIRUS SIMPLY BY WALTZING INTO OUR COUNTRY

The vast majority of them are socialists. Most of them want strict gun control.

America is special, and we have to protect ourselves, and our demographics. Stop being vaginas, liberturdians.

you should say Socialism, and Libertarianism are polar opposites.

Libertarians realised that Libertarian values are White values and can only thrive in a White society.
White society is under attack from the Multikulti Left, and so to preserve the basis for their Libertarian ideals, Libertarians must react to the Left by any means. Which, right now, is aligning them with fascists and nationalists. Their goals might differ, but they all strive to uphold the same basis on which they wish to build.

>not nationalism

Kill yourself, cuck.

Explain to me how can a city have two sewer systems. No mental gymnastics please.

>mow my lawn

i'll do it myself, pedro.

>serve me at the gas station counter
highschool and college students already do that

>taxi
it's 2016, user. we uber now