Europe has never send a person to space

>Europe has never send a person to space
How? Is Europe supposed to be a superpower? You even have a space agency.

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European astronauts go with NASA.
European space agencies are more busy with satellites.

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yes they are irrelevant
All their products are defective and cancerous, don't buy them.

based soviet S-P-A-C-E

Sending people to space has near to 0 scientific value.

What is it with Anglos and conspiracy theories?

Human space flight is a vanity project and not really done for scientific purposes. The ESA is fine with sending robots which is way less costly and way more efficient.

Except that you'll never learn about human spaceflight without human spaceflight.

What is it with Russians posting under FRG flags?

There are already men in space. Why should we send more? it's a purposeless waste of resources.

If your country needed more time to put one of their own outside the planet than GYPSYLGARIA you're officially a non-country.

>European astronauts go with NASA.
What are you talking about. NASA has no manned space program right now, everyone except the Chinese is piggybacking on the Russians.

true

I worked at Pedro Duque's company some years ago.

Your country never put anyone outside the planet. Not a single european country did.

Uh? Italian astronauts were on the ISS like the last year

they hitched a ride with the Russians
Russia (and China?) are the only countries actively putting people into space anymore

SpaceX is trying to bring it back to America but that's still on the drawing board

>russia all the way down the list
KEK. And they call themselves a superpower.

Sent with Russian rockets.

Every single American Astronauts had to learn Russian during the last 2 decades.

Sent by Russians.

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LIES
RUSSIA STRONK

t. 23 years behind gypsylgaria

>first lander on the Moon was Soviet
>first images from the Moon were transmitted by Soviets
>first lander on Venus was Soviet
>first images from Venus were transmitted by Soviets
>Americans so far behind in the Space Race that they only even caught up by the time the focus had already shifted to Mars
>that's just celestrial bodies in addition to first satellites, first humans in space, first spacewalk, first space station and first modular space station assembled in space by the Soviets
>GUYS BY THE WAY WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING AND THE SOVIETS HAVE DONE NOTHING

[citation needed]

The space crew has to be rotated. They can't stay there forever, dumbass.

Russian industry is a complete joke and has been for decades

that chart is a lie
Bjarni Tryggvason was born in Iceland to Icelandic parents and went to space several times, first in 1992

Same reason why american factory owners had to learn chinese in the last 2 decades. Why do it locally when some shitty third world country will do it for a fraction of the price?

Oh of course. They’re still in space anyway

space doesn't exist you fucking retard

Ok.

>first communications satellite was American
>first weather satellite was American
>first reconnaissance satellite was American
>first successful Venus and Mars probes was American
>first liquid hydrogen rocket engine was American
>first orbiting space telescope was American
>first manmade object to exit the solar system was American
>first completely successful space station (that didn't fail in orbit/get the crew killed/fail to reach orbit) was American
>first docking of two spacecraft was American
>first tetherless spacewalk was American
>first human beings to exit LEO was American
>first recovery of a manmade object from space was American

You were saying?

>scraping the barrel this hard

That German flag is the Putinbot diaspora whose parents own a restaurant or something.

Outer planetary probes weren't attempted because they were simply beyond the reach of Soviet technological capabilities. They never demonstrated any success with Mars missions, trying to send a probe to Jupiter, Saturn, etc was asking far too much. Soviet engineering wasn't able to overcome the problems of reliable communication from those distances (one reason being that all communications infrastructure for space missions was in the USSR itself and they lacked NASA's global tracking network which greatly limited their tracking capabilities) or handling the cold temperatures of the outer solar system.

The lack of an LH2-powered rocket stage also limited their ability to launch a probe to the outer Solar System.

I can assume you that my parents do not own a restaurant, I'm German as many generations back as I could research, and I don't give a shit about the Russians. I'm just sick and tired of Americans claiming the entire fame for space exploration. The Soviets have made AT LEAST as much of a contribution prior to the demise of the country. Only since the '90s have the Americans pulled ahead.

I think you mean
>Only since the late '60s have the Americans pulled ahead.

>Russia makes a thread hating on esa
>germ twists it into a thread to hate on america

Nope.

>Russia makes a thread hating on esa
>murrikans make it about themselves because murrika stronk
>set the facts straight
You're welcome.

the Russians were also gunning for the moon m8
yet it's the stars and stripes that's there, not hammer and sickle

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I'm not denying the Americans the achievements of the Moon landings, I'm just saying they're not the only achievements in space.

>germ

they aren't but the fact is that the American space program was head and sholders above the Russians ever since the late 60s and the moon landing is the best concrete example of that

>Is Europe supposed to be a superpower?
No
The only superpower in the world is usa

They've both made significant steps to advance space exploration until the fall of the Soviet Union.

>they aren't but the fact is that the American space program was head and sholders above the Russians ever since the late 60s

Realistically, we were ahead from the beginning in everything except rocket lift capacity, where we didn't match or exceed the Soviet program until the mid-60s. They couldn't match our technical capabilities, manufacturing capacity, or program organization at all.

That they did have bigger rockets for a few years was actually due to the inability of Soviet manufacturing tech to miniaturize nuclear warheads, which necessitated an oversized ICBM to lift them.

Who is this guy then ?

>Thomas Gautier Pesquet (born 27 February 1978) is a French aerospace engineer, pilot, and European Space Agency astronaut. Pesquet was selected by ESA as a candidate in May 2009,[1] and he successfully completed his basic training in November 2010.[2] From November 2016 to June 2017, Pesquet was part of Expedition 50 and Expedition 51 as a flight engineer.[3]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Pesquet

>blah blah blah the soviets were actually worse at everything since the beginning and the only reason they pulled ahead is because they were worse at something else, too
Get off your high horse.

>Realistically, we were ahead from the beginning in everything

The Soviet space program didn't achieve any proper organization or management until the mid-70s. During the ASTP program, Congress expressed concern over the reliability of Soviet space hardware and whether they could properly carry out their half of the mission. They didn't reveal much about failures back then, but the CIA knew quite a bit and of course everyone already did know about the loss of crew on Soyuz 1 and 11.

Where's your pics of the outer planets?

Remind me, when have the last people died on Russian space missions, and when have the last people died on American space missions, and whose space missions killed more people overall?

He's probably referring to the various Soviet space firsts like Vostok and Sputnik rather than the nuts and bolts technical details of the program and who had better electronics and rocket engines.

They had two fatal accidents on a manned mission and we had two. Also quit pretending you're not that diasporafag I referred to earlier. You're making yourself way way too obvious here.

>He's probably referring to the various Soviet space firsts like Vostok and Sputnik

That was my point. Those were possible because of the one advantage they did have back then, which was a bigger rocket than anything in the US arsenal.

Not gonna lie, ESA astronauts are a lot better at public outreach/social media than Americans.

And four deaths as opposed to fourteen, and their last deaths occured in 1971, not 2003. The Soyuz capsules have proven to be exceedingly reliable and are now the sole passenger transport to space. Whatever happened to the Space Shuttle?

Actually, they had no real program plans at all in the early 60s while NASA had plans to land on the Moon since its inception in 1958, there being a planned logical progression from Mercury to Apollo. The early Soviet missions were mostly propaganda/stunt flights and not really about space exploration. They didn't have any plans for manned flights after Vostok, and the Kremlin didn't approve a manned lunar landing until August 1964.

When Kennedy set the goal of landing on the Moon by the end of the decade, Khrushchev didn't believe him at first and just thought it was a bluff. Then he became unnerved at the expense of such an undertaking.

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>Khrushchev didn't believe him at first and just thought it was a bluff
desu Kennedy had no idea if it was even possible at that time

Pretty much: The Moon landings boiled down to unquestioned public support, money being of no concern, German engineering, and some brave luck as well. If any one of those factors had been missing it wouldn't have been successful, that's how much of a gamble it was.

>German engineering
Paperclip was a mistake

The Shuttles have bigger crews, naturally you'd lose more people on a flight. Also while Soyuz capsules are reliable now, there were a ton of flight mishaps and incidents in the 70s-80s that prevented missions from being performed successfully or almost got crews killed. And two Shuttle flight failures in 133 missions isn't that bad of a safety record at all, considering we flew less than 40 manned Mercury/Gemini/Apollo missions, and if there had been 133 of those, the odds of a fatal accident along the way would have been much higher. You have a higher chance of being killed every time you get in a car and drive down the freeway.

Soyuz 1 was a particularly inexcusable tragedy because everyone and their mother knew the spacecraft was not ready for a manned mission and had numerous serious hardware bugs. They flew it because of the Kremlin wanting to time the flight for Lenin's 97th birthday.

It was the typical Cold War situation of not understanding and also far overestimating Soviet capabilities.

It was generally assumed Kennedy meant "Land on the Moon by the end of the 1960s" but he merely said to land by the end of "this decade". Since he made that speech in May 1961, he could have meant "land by May 1971" for all anyone knows--he never elaborated on exactly what he meant.

>You have a higher chance of being killed every time you get in a car and drive down the freeway.
Highly exaggerated claim, also unlike Americans we need to learn how to drive somewhat well in order to get a license here.