Battle of Bastards

Is this the greatest TV episode ever made? 10/10 from start to finish.

>battle of the bastards
>Jon isn't even a bastard

>Jon isn't even a bastard

He is.

>from start to finish.
No, Dany's section sucked.

The buildup to this really pissed me the fuck off.
Why the fuck would Sansa withold that she knows the knights of the Vale are coming to help? As far as im concerned all the deaths are on Sansas hands because she was too busy being a stuck up cunt thinking that letting half the people on her side die was some genius political move.
But even then, why didnt Jon Snow just bring more wildlings? "im not their king" oh come the fuck on. There is a whole god damn horde of them im sure there are at least a couple thousand more who gladly wouldve come with you especially after the heroics at hardhome and Tormunds pretty much complete trust.
The one thing that pisses me off more than anything else though, why the fuck was Wun Wun not armored at all? I get that it was probably an impossible task to make armor for a giant, but why not at least give him a huge tree branch to swing around? Are giants all supposed to be retarded or something?
And where did all the Bolton cavalry go? They had enough to completely envelope and overwhelm Stannis's soldiers in season 5, so what the fuck happened?

Unironically kill yourself.

>gee, how could we possibly escape from this thin shieldwall ?

>Circling your enemy
Tactical failure

Tell that to Hannibal.

No, too many historical inaccuracies and lost opportunities.

Battle of the Blackwater / Watchers on the Wall battle / Hardhome, all far better battles/episodes.
Shit taste senpai.

nothing post-season 4 is the best anything

>historical inaccuracies


??????????????????????????

>thinking that Hannibal would approve of this
You have to allow your enemy a path of escape because that way it will create more chaos in their ranks when some of them inevitably try to run.

I do approve that they have cut down on the gratuitous nudity and banging scenes in the later seasons. If I want porn I'll watch porn.

Hardhome was shit, probably even worse than the bastard shit.

>Giant is a huge fucking beast
Seriously, he had several options.
1. Take some bodies in each hand and use them to charge your way through the shieldwall
2. Walk to the back of the line and start throwing bodies from the pile
3. Simply lay down and roll and have the wildlings behind you to start killing shit when the shieldwall falters

Ugh. I watched the battle once and still get mad when I see the giant standing still and casually swinging shit on the tip of the spear heads that is pointing forward.
It's just so fucking stupid.

I agree OP. I know it's fun to hate on this show, but overall this was a great achievement overall for Tv and a cinematography perspective. I hope season 8 gives 1 or 2 episodes comparable to this.

Hardhome was better. It managed to set up Night's King as the show's main villain with the short final scene perfectly.

Battle of the Bastards on the other hand was another opportunity to show off Ramsay as an edgelord just for the sake of it. We already knew he was grade A psycho after seeing him torture Theon in season 3, but then we have him rape Sansa [which served nothing for Ramsay's character arc and regressed hers by turning her into a victim again after her Vale episodes], murder a woman and child, kill his father and so on. And the battle itself was cool but kinda stupid. We have the scene where Jon is almost squished by his own men as an attempt to make us worried about his life when we know for a fact that he wasn't gonna be resurrected only to be killed off in such a lame way, only Barristan Selmy can die like a pathetic dog for no reason whatsoever.

They only did that because there's no brothels in the North in the show.

Isn't this the episode where both armies run at each other and meet each other at the same time even though one army started running first?

Hannibal circled the Romans in Cannae and created a pit of death around them.

Hardhome was indeed close to perfect because they managed to show how powerful the Night King really is and how he use his forces to actually surge the living shit out of defences.
We could actually paint a picture of how the siege of cities will happen when he passes the wall in season 8.

I'm still a bit confused how he will manage to get into a city when the walls are made out of thick stone though.. but I guess he could just let the wights lay siege to cities since they don't feel cold and doesn't starve.

>jon snow resisting a cavalry charge with a greatsword

?????

>meet each other at the same time even though one army started running first
how the fuck would one army meet the other one first?

had she any?

How the fuck are you going to make both sides NOT meet at the same time? This isn't Doctor Who, mate, one side can't timewarp their way into fighting the other side before they've met.

true he's a dwarf AND a bastard

t. mr strategist trained on World of Tanks and Red Alert

No. The whole season 6 was shit and disappointment. Also, why the fuck couldn't the giant get a fucking tree?

Hardhome might just be the episode where they really jumped the shark.

They changed everything about Others into "le cliche movie villains, literally darth maul" to have a fight scene that goes nowhere, accomplishes nothing, does nothing to the characters AND is basically retconned in the next episode because the stupid fucks who write it can't write. All the while they actually had two much more interesting and important fight scenes to film.

Just kidding it didn't actually jump the shark there, it had been utter shit for at least a season already.

>reads Sun Tzu once
You don't generally encircle your enemy because it causes heavier losses among your own troops, and as long as they flee you've won the battle.
Hannibal wasn't looking to simply win. He'd already won two resounding victories in a row. He wanted to completely annihilate the Roman fighting force. Surrounding completely was the right thing to do.

The leaked episode shows quite a bit about that, it's not implausible to see the Night King taking castles in Westeros with what he has.

Sometimes you don't want them to run away, because they'd be able to regroup.

>Read sun tzu once

Except when you have the opportunity to absolutely skullfuck them.

>Hardhome was better.
is that mediocre war episode where they showd the strong woman wildling with her kid and dieing? no that wasn't better at all

I think I worded that wrong because I don't actually watch the show, I just remember a friend complaining about it and I can't ask him what he meant because he's dead. Maybe it was that they met each other in the center? The point is that there was apparently something unrealistic about the way the armies collided.

Nope,his parents were married.

Are you that retarded still? The 'Gods' are keeping Jon alive. He can't die. He's been revived for one reason only, and we don't know it yet.

>i didn't watched the episode
literally kys

>completely ignoring how menacing the Night King and his army was revealed to be because he feels insecure seeing women doing stuff
Wew lad

>michael garbage to appease redditors

michael bay*

Snow has too much plot armor, Remsy fighting outside of Winterfell although he is in the defense, teleporting archers
bad shit

I tried to figure out what Sansas game was, but no matter how long I think about it there was no reason or excuse for her not telling Jon about the Vale.

Pretty sure Jon had all the wildlings left alive, which were only 2 or 3 thousand.

The battle was absolute kino, but the incircle scene even tho cool, was absolute inaccurate garbage.
When such tactics were performed, they needed a giant manpower so that enemy wouldn't be able to espace, but that line was too thin and was easely punch through.

not because of that. it was a needles introduction of that character, and overall it wasn't better than BoB. i think NK was introduced already several times

also the fact how sansa braggs about her winning the war this last episode
FUCK RIGHT OFF
if her and the knights attacked first they would have got wrecked then jon could have finished the job just as equally as the former

and how did it end up for him?

Battle of the Bastards was fucking shite. Transformers-tier action with no substance nor coherency.

it's not even the best game of thrones episode. it's not even the best battle in game of thrones.

This shit isn't even close to being in the same category as Michael Bay.

Yes he fucking is. Are you fucking retarded? Do not waste our time with this and put this you cretin. Absolute fucking mongoloid.

All those arrows misses Jon somehow.

>touch the walls to freeze them
>walls shatter like glass

But Jon isn't a bastard. Rhaegar and Lyanna were married.

The Lord of light was protecting him

They were married. Try paying attention in future.

100% evasion

the wildling siege on the wall was way better

You're the fucking retard here Speedwatcher. Go rewatch last week's episode

The Snows of Winterfell was a better name I saw suggested somewhere

This is what happens when you shitpost while watching episodes.

this is not how it works

that's how we know D&D will do something like this

>that mountain of corpses

who thought that that was a good idea?

In the best victory that he could have accomplished. Doing things differently at Cannae wouldn't have changed the outcome of the war.

Generally user, if two objects are moving towards each other, they meet at the same time, regardless of which one set out first. Generally speaking obviously, but that's how objects meeting usually works.

It made no sense to me. Apparently there were thousands of wildlings and only 100 night's watch men. The entire time is night's watchmen getting slaughtered but the wildlings ended up retreating anyways?

Yeah, there's half a dozen ways they could have taken the giant out of the equation sensibly, having it stand around ineffectively swatting at pikemen with it's hands was retarded and immersion breaking.

How the fuck can they not meet at the same time? Are you retarded? You expect them to run forward forever and never meet? Kill yourself you fucking cretin.

The point in books was that they did a test attack and were ready to attack again the next day but then Jon went to negotiate and Stannis came.

Don't remember how it was in the show.

A highlight of the later seasons. Once you overthink it, it becomes stupid though, as already explained in this thread, but overall it was put very well onto camera. I was having a hard time breathing when Jon was burried by the corpses of his men. Never expirienced this while watching a film, a TV series no less.

It's pretty great.

something quite similar

The Watchers on the Wall is the best episode of GoT, there's no competition

In the books the battle lasted several days, with Jon being imprisoned for most of them.
I would assume the reason the wildlings had such a hard time against such a small force is that the wall is one of the best defensive "fortresses", like Moat Cailin or Harrenhal

More like 2/10 from start to finish.

This is the stupidest shit I've seen today. What are they, parallel lines?

>greatest TV episode
>GoT
funny OP

Yeah Hardhome is bad. It was like a Walking Dead episode.

He was probably talking about how the two armies met exactly at the point where Jon was standing, which was a bit silly.

the wight walkers weren't real user..

the battle of the bastards is one of the greatest examples of television that was legitimately almost ruined by these fucks and their obsession with 70 live horses.

see the director of the episode quickly ran into a roadblock when he began production on the episode. the script called for 70 live horses to be involved in the shooting. with the limited time they had on the shooting location this wasn't possible, training the horses alone would've taken weeks of their 30~ days of shooting. on top of this, horses cannot even touch eachother during filming for legal reasons. filming an actual calvary charge with live horses was not doable.

despite the directors complaints d&d pushed for live horses which severely obstructed shooting. the matter of the horses wasn't decided until days before shooting began and the director was seriously set back by it. because of that set back, the director failed to account for rain days and was on a tight schedule.

d&d ALSO insisted they shoot the scenes in chronological order, so that kit harrington looked just as exhausted as jon snow would realistically be. this created further set backs.

but to make matters worse, it rained for the last three days of shooting. having failed to account for extra days due to d&d's meddling and having to shoot the episode in chronological order, the scripted ending of battle of the bastards was ruined. the director had to call up d&d and, fearing for his reputation, explain the situation.

d&d told him not to worry about it and just improv the end battle scenes. while he was taken aback by this he obliged, and shot a bunch of scenes of men wrestling around in the mud. what he created ended up being the best shots in the entire episode, including the human crunch scene.

whatever ending d&d originally envisioned will never be known now, but we can only assume it has to do with 70 live horses.

So what makes him believe Jon was at a exact mid point? He could've been closer to his own lines.

The point is you should give them an illusion of escape not a real one.

Thanks for the trivia. 70 live horses would've been pretty sweet but a logistical nightmare even for 200 million dollar Hollywood blockbusters. Atleast they trusted in the director enough to solve it.

The ending was stupid.

The twist should have occured with the Bolton army partially defecting/turning on Ramsay due to Ramsay's cruel execution of Rickon.

There was no illusion of escape at Cannae. The Romans were encircled on all fronts and according to stories they started to go completely mad by the realization that death was inevitable. Some even buried their heads in the sand to escape the madness.

Just like the war with emus where Australians did the same.

Hardhome and the battle where dany ambushed the lannisters (does the battle have a name yet?) was much better imo

Hardhome since it showed the desperation, and hopelessness of the situation. It also established how big if a threat the Night King and WW really are

The Dany/Lannisters battle was great since the show attempted to portray a somewhat realistic organized tactic (spear wall) instead of 2 armies blindly running into eachother full speed. It also served as great character highlight/development for both jaime and bronn continuing to fight a losing battle.

>10/10 from start to finish.

not true, there's a Dany segment in the beginning.

if you want more trivia on the production of game of thrones you should check out dragon demands on youtube. he goes full autismo in 2~ hour videos mostly ranting about how d&d are ruining game of thrones, but theres some really interesting bits of trivia in there that he's scrubbed from interviews with the cast and directors. like how masie williams had to talk them into including shots where arya struggles with her wounds during the braavos chase - there were originally going to include none of that and much more acrobatic stunts.

I was re-watching the older seasons and it made me wonder. Where the fuck did the Boltons get all these fucking horses from? What the fuck happened to that fuck huge cavalry army that stannos has when he first arrived at the wall and attacked the wildlings? Was it implied that the sellswords stannis had defected to the Boltons? I know he lost half his army after he burned his daughter but damn. I remember how hyped I was when he arrived at the wall and was going to march on winterfell. I was so pissed when this fucking episode happened.

For some reason the greatest strategist in westeros doesn't know how to dress his army for cold weather when he's going to the fucking north in winter

>the battle where dany ambushed the lannisters (does the battle have a name yet?)
>(does the battle have a name yet?)
The Massacre of The Lion

tweentygoodman fucked stannis over

it was pretty kino, one of the better GoT episodes.

TWENTY

Field of Fire 2.0

IMO that was the last highlight of the show. That and the Oberyn fight.

Oberyn fight didn't even have to try, though. That scene was already perfect in the books (probably the most memorable fight) and they pretty much just replicated that.

>give him a big stick
>make him an iron boot to kick fuckers with
>give him a giant sling like a reverse david vs goliath
a fucking giant is basically a living trebuchet that reloads faster