Why are orcs so frowned upon in Middle Earth?

Why are orcs so frowned upon in Middle Earth?
Why was there never an attempt at communication and liberation?

>Sup Forums attempting to get the noggin joggin by drawing parallels between refugees/foreign conquerors and LOTR characters
>they don't realize that GoT already does this from the opposite perspective and is obviously infinitely more successful.

>infinitely more successful.

Cucklords these days...

This. GRRM is so far ahead of Tolkien its not even funny. His characters are so much more iconic and memorable than the bland ones in lord of the rings. Think of Jon Snow, Daenerys, Jaime Lannister - household names, they all have real in depth character development and the audience feels attached to them. This is no contest against fucking Aragorn and Frodo, and the entire plot of Lord of the Rings is so convoluted and confused that it's not even worth talking about. Whereas GRRM's plot, full of twists and turns, is compelling and engaging. He portrays war so much more realistically, and his story is gritty, human, real, and authentic. He actually draws from real history, and unlike Tolkien doesn't rely on meme languages and """lore""" to make his work great. His work is already great because it stands on its own merits, and his is the story of our generation. It is for this reason that Game of Thrones is the current pinnacle of television, and why ASOIAF is so iconic and beloved, and why its legacy will far outlast Tolkien's.
He isn't the American Tolkien because he is far beyond that level.

>Taking orc posting seriously

In all seriousness. Are orcs just born evil ?
Are they just tools of Sauron or do they have free will ?
Has any orc in the whole Tolkien universe ever exhibited any positive attributes ?

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>Series where the heroes are beings of multiple different races, different cultures, and living is comparative peace with nature who set aside their differences and join together by their own free will to resit a nearly monolithic group which destroys nature and whose primary goal to see the extermination of the other races with it’s organized military force.
>Alt-Right tries to identify with the former and not the later.

>Has any orc in the whole Tolkien universe ever exhibited any positive attributes ?
No, they are low-IQ subspecies with an incredibly shitty and backwards culture... wait, did you say orcs?

what happened to my Sup Forums

yes, lotr is very low brow, black and white garbage

orcs are literally elves kidnapped, tortured, and twisted by morgoth

it would be like if america took returning veterans with mental disorders and pushed them to the outskirts of1 society and made them villains to fear OH WAIT

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The first thing Tormund and the Thenns did after they got over the wall was butcher dozens of innocent working class smallfolk who had little influence on the affairs of the highborn and Night's Watch that had been doing all the wildling killing to begin with. Really makes you think.

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Can someone post more GoT pics, i only have tons of LOTR ones at my disposal.

They are enslaves elves that don't know anything other than killing.
Morgoth was the real villian

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>be "good guys"
>genocide hundreds of thousands of humanoids for their race and then search the entirety of middle earth in an effort to extirpate them from existence

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>In all seriousness. Are orcs just born evil ?
Essentially yes. They are corrupted elves. They have no real culture outside of fighting and killing.
>Are they just tools of Sauron or do they have free will ?
They have free will, but Sauron is powerful and controls them when he is around. In the books, they complain about Sauron and the Witch King, but they fear them and obey. When Sauron was in hiding, they are still awful, but have no ambitions to take over the world.
>Has any orc in the whole Tolkien universe ever exhibited any positive attributes ?
No.

Is orcposting an HBO scheme to get more people to watch GoT?

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nah man-children just think making analogies to pop culture genre franchises is clever and intellectual

THOSE NAZI MEMES ARE NOT FUNNY AND I CAN PROVE IT MATHEMATICALLY *burp

>ma kang

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is this copy pasta?

I'm honestly shocked at the current state of this website. Yeah, we made racist jokes sometimes, but it was all fun, right? At the end of the day, we all voted for Obama, we all supported gay marriage, and we all opposed racist conservative christians. But now? Our entire fucking site is subverted because of fucking nazis.

The internet is OUR platform. the LIBERAL platform. Racism, sexism, misogyny, were all confirmed to be left in the past because millenials are the most left-wing generation of all time. So why in the FUCK, do we still have to deal with nazis IN TWENTY-FUCKING-SEVENTEEN? Despite how much you wanna cry about how it's just a conspiracy and a boogeyman, Russian hackers ARE real, and this site is proof. We went from one of the most liberal sites in the world to supporting Orange Fucking Hitler? Nah, that's not normal progression because people only get more liberal with age, just like how you get smarter with age.

Threads like these just show that we need MUCH more strict moderation around here. I'm sick of all of this shit. Fuck Nazis, Fuck Fascists, Fuck Hitler, Fuck Drumpf, Fuck White Pride, and FUCK REPUBLICANS. Just fucking nuke this site already.

yes

>non-whites are now identifying with literal hideous subhuman mutants that are unequivocal pure evil
hmm..

Saruman actually created jobs for orcs and developed isengard to a powerful industrial nation

>tfw realizing that the fellowship were intolerant racists and the true villains of LoTR

A reminder that the Easterlings betrayed the men of the west.

>In all seriousness. Are niggers just born evil ?
>Are they just tools of (((THEM))) or do they have free will ?
>Has any nigger in recorded history ever exhibited any positive attributes ?

lol get fucked libcuck

>Series where the heroes are beings of multiple different races, different cultures, and living is comparative peace with nature who set aside their differences and join together by their own free will to resit a nearly monolithic group which destroys nature and whose primary goal to see the extermination of the other races with it’s organized military force.
Much like the peoples of Europe, who've been warring for 2 millennia and more, joining together to combat the menace of Islam.

not liking the racist connotations of this thread

i cant even tell how many layers of irony this is coated in

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Sauron was making a stand against human/eleven supremacy.

Yeah because the orcs were the same species as the men in lotr

orc posting is fucking hilarious

Then you are free to leave, nigger

>LOTR is about the triumph of evil (human racists) over good (discriminated orc underclass)
>ASoIaF subverts this fantasy trope with good (Dany & Co.) defeating evil (White Walkers)

Have we had it all backwards the whole time?

>same species

Try again sweetie :)

Chill out man. I unironically think racists are generally fuckwits but don't overstate how much power they have here. It's not much. Outside of the pol hugbox, every other board except maybe k is liberal by virtue of the subject matter. The largest board by far, v, is ridiculously liberal but likes to be edgy because they are teenagers.

>Outside of the pol hugbox, every other board except maybe k is liberal by virtue of the subject matter
hahaha oh wow

by the way newfag you just unironically responded to copypasta

more conservative with age you mean

Please be copypasta

alas poor summer child...
There is an old saying in Germany
"Conservative before 30; no balls. Liberal after 30; no brains"

This is good, this is power. The world is waking up after leaving their head in the sand for too long.

>different races, different cultures
what? Are you talking about grey worm here? He's not that major.

>people will respond to this seriously and not merely laugh

Stop falling for copypasta, you idiots.

That's their origin as a species, not each orc in general, none of the orcs in the third age were elves that had been tortured.

It would be like if america took returning veterans with mental disorders and pushed them to the outskirts of1 society and made them villains to fear, then mutated until they barely resembled humans and bred the new species they just created for a few thousand years.