You have 289 lunar seconds to explain what's so bad about free college?

You have 289 lunar seconds to explain what's so bad about free college?

Hard mode: no memes like ">free".

Will I get a refund for all the payments I have made on my student loans?

Nothing. It's a great thing. I wouldn't have been able to attend the best university in Latin America had it not been tuition-free. Now I'm the first college-educated member of my family and I have a stable job and a soaring career.

free=worthless

Wasn't there a time when college here was free?

College shouldn't even be expected as a 'next-step' after highschool.

Making it """"free"""" will just make a masters/doctorate the expected 'next step'.

wtf?
I hate coyotes!

You dont have free college? but i thought america was a great 1st world country???? let me guess you dont have free healthcare either?

What should not be free by your logic?

Because (((universities))) can't make mad shekels if they're free.

Extreme assured decline in quality

State-run "educational" programs

Based around the lowest common denominator

With what money?

What does free mean, precisely? Will the professors beer forced to work for no pay? What quality of education would they provide?

More taxes.

People will use this to get useless degrees at the expence of the taxpayer, then bitch and go on welfare when they cant get a job with their womens studies/medievel history/ect degrees

I wouldn't have a problem with it if the person wanted to be an engineer and they had good grades

If the person had bad grades, took an arts course and then flunked out half way through I would have a problem with taxes paying for that person to go to college

Bailouts for Wall Street.

>free

Someone is actually paying for it.

because i don't wanna pay for some retard liberal arts degree

I used the GI Bill/Army College Fund to pay for school. And worked part time while going to school full time.

student loans are for faggots...

So everything else should be free?

Why would we want shitty healthcare for free when we can pay a little bit of money and get the best health care in the world?

You realize that being in the USA automatically gives you the best chance at surviving cancer, right?

>What's so bad about this idea based on a false premise?
>Hard mode: You're not allowed to point out the false premise

Nothing. More taxes but I don't care.

My college is already free cause my grants and scholarships cover it all.

i think studying is waste of time.

just work and you will learn much more.

It devalues the degrees of everyone else. However that's already happened so at this point go ahead, why the fuck not.

If college is free then the colleges will be getting paid for taking in anybody, colleges immediately become over crowded and people that gennuinely want to study and to achieve more in life will find it hard to get a placement. In order to not appear like bad colleges they will start running easier programs in order to get a higher pass rate. 4 years after college is made free to everybody the world will be overrun by nail technicians and air hostesses.

Governmen meddling is why college is expensive in the first place. Letting them meddle more just means higher taxes

but >free isn't a meme
it's an implication that the service defined as college (it is a service) cannot be fundamentally free in it's current form. it's a matter of fact observation. until college moves to a public space and is taught without public resources and BY teachers who work without compensation, your hard mode is entirely the easiest mode. >american education

Thats the only way here. No better option , unless you where born into monies

If I pay 20% in taxes making $100,000 per year (a gross underestimate, but using this for simplicity) for 30 years.....I will have paid a total of $600,000 in taxes

If I pay 25% for the same amount of time, I will have paid $750,000

Absolutely not, fuck off. It's not "free"

OP I really really need some money to improve my life, please send me free money.

>inb4 memes like "free"

Bingo. You want a degree to be useless, give it to everyone.

All it will do is make a bachelors degree akin to a high school diploma, and the new requirement will be a masters. All the while, we delay even more people from entering the workforce until their mid 20s.

This has a direct result in increasing the average age of the workforce overall. It also means that people will then wait another few years to begin saving for retirement.

There's only so many years in the human lifecycle; more and more educational requirements will only further delay people from ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING.

I got free College because i was smart
Maybe niggers and idiots should try doing the same thing

Every fucker will want to go to college, so the value of degrees will drop even further.

289 lunar seconds are exactly the same thing
>1 second
It is quantitatively defined in terms of exactly 9,192,631,770 periods of a certain frequency of radiation from the caesium atom

>College 2016
>not dropping out and think about suicide every single day
wew

Because a majority of people go to college for shit like photography, liberal arts, philosophy, etc.

I don't want to have taxes hiked up through the ceiling so people can waste four years learning essentially nothing to earn a degree they can do nothing with.

It would be worth it if colleges were churning out chemists, mathematicians, teachers, doctors, and nurses, but sadly that is not the case.

As long as entrance exams are rigourous enough to only allow for smartest people to take advantage of free college there is nothing really wrong with it.

>johnny goes to the store
>he sees shiny apples on display
>"those look so great!" he thought
>but johnny couldnt afford an apple
>luckily theres a 'free apples for everyone' program
>but there were too many people wanting shiny apples
>moldy, rotten apples were given out en masse
>thank god i voted sanders, he thought

>free

its rewarding a broken system, college costs are out of control.

giving them free money now is like giving a meth head free meth for life.

>In 300 years High School will be called college and everyones HS diploma will be renamed a bachelor's degree
>Just so that parents will think their kids are smart
>It will be evolved as the genius solution to the overbearing cost that free college put on society
I wonder what they'll call real higher learning institutions at that point?

I did too bruh, will they refund us our benefits, or are we the ones who ultimately get fucked up the ass and eat the base loss in this?

Who pays for the professors and the facilities and who determines how they should be paid? Who establishes enrollment requirements and on what criteria are they based? Who pays for housing, and how much should be alloted? Who pays for on-campus dining, and how much should be alloted?

If you think college is expensive now, wait until it's free.

>Hard mode: no memes like ">free".
When the government pays for every single student which goes private universities (if we are taking about the US) the universities will do literally everything to attract customers; will create useless degrees only because stupid people with money(tax money) will pay for them, women studies etc, also in STEM they will lower the curriculum so that more dump people will get in(with tax money), then a degree will be worth as much as toilet paper
Now in the US everybody has THE RIGHT for student loans, and because of this dummies who cant into thinking one step ahead will enter women studies or some dumped down STEM which at this point is nothing more than a really expensive trade school.
STUPID PEOPLE + GOVERNMENT TAX MONEY = DESSASTER

It will only devalue college further.

But the arts and humanities have great value, and meanwhile many brilliant and talented people are bad students. You're centrally planned system would be bad for both groups while privileging the things you like out of no more than your own personal prejudice.

This is it. Free college floods the market with useless degrees, and wastes money on useless people.

In America, you also have Affirmative Action, so colleges will have to take even more unqualified blacks and Mexicans to prove dey not rayciss. In order to get these students to pass, standards will have to be lowered, resulting in a shit education for everyone.

Then, in order to get a job that a college degree would qualify you for today, you'll have to go for a Master's or a Doctorate, extending the arrested development of 20-somethings even further.

Great idea! Get the middle class to pay for glorified daycare for narcissistic millenials.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm all in for free college as long as they limit this to STEM fields. It makes no sense for the state to pay for education in fields that do not contribute to the economy in a statistically significant way.

Crickets.

The answer of course is no. And enjoy your new 4% tax to offset Chad and Stacys drinking addiction - I mean education.

The Black Student Union at my university is the club that has the highest percentage of kids on academic probation, and they all go for free.

College is far to expensive, but t should still be an investment.

>free

because fuck college and fuck college people.
They hold "uneducated" people in disdain while at the same time declaring that they know how things should be on the street in which they've never spent a fucking day while they condemn the citizens closest to it.

either in rhetorically or exonomically.

College is re-education and bait and modern liberalism is a fucking farce

Free education is always a good thing. Americans do not understand this - but then again, look at the state of their educational system.

Knowledge = good
Americans = SHART IN MART

>privileging the things you like out of no more than your own personal prejudice
Not at all, I said that but I went to college for photography (an arts program) and my grades were average

I was being honest, I don't have any personal prejudice

Deflation in the value of degrees you fucking spastic

What sort of hypocritical socialist supports an idea that will further marginalise those who aren't intelligent enough to go to college?

>i think studying is waste of time.
Sup Forums every one

This. Americans don't realize it's much more expensive NOT to educate people. It's cheaper to educate them now than to lock them up later. Also it boosts scientific progress, which is priceless.

That's already happened breh

Your taxes will skyrocket too, can you even comprehend how expensive college for tens of millions of people a year will be, especially when educational tourism becomes a major issue. Either the quality of education will suffer or the taxes on your pathetic income will rise massively.

It won't if free higher education would be offered only to people from the top 10% of SAT scores

Wow so deep
I hate banks now
Anyone else watch Zeitgeist?? Lmao fucking sheeple rite guys

Why should I pay for some other dude's college experience?

I have no problem with handing out scholarships to the 20% best people studying for useful degrees.

But I have a big fucking problems to pay for every lazy fucking SJW studying psychology or Muslim studies combined with sociology.

>free

Le brazilian educator face.

American education = worthless

>2 posts by this ID

it isn't free and most people do not need to attend college.

unless you are entering a specific specialized field what need have you of the typical Liberal Arts college ed?

Because someone always has to pay and because if the state pays for it (like medicine) the price will skyrocket and fuck the government and in turn they fuck us with taxes etc. Also I'm not paying for some fuck to go to college for 6 months and then drop out.

This would only work if you are incredibly strict and trash most degrees as useless. Ex: no free college for psychology majors. Free college for STEM, but only for those at the very top; everyone else must pay.

GLORIOUS

If you were being honest you would admit that everyone had a personal prejudice.

Face it. You value engineering more highly than the arts, so you are comfortable with a government system that creates engineers, but not artists.

But in reality we need both. And in reality individuals will always be better at determining their own lives than the government ever could be.

Which brings us to the real problem with "free" college. It's not that it's free, it's just that the government is in control of all the resources. Which in turn lets the powerful dictate the futures of the masses.

In other words, it's a communist wet dream.

> Niggers can learn

Found the problem with your "argument"

I worked a job to pay for my degree. Sure, give the kids a couple of free years, but I want to get a couple more free years for myself too, or pay me the difference in money. If you're going to devalue my degree, than at least give me a leg up on gaining the next level of degree.

Because people don't want to have to pay for xer's Gender Studies degree.

Who gets to go to free college?

>But in reality we need both.
No we don't.

>go to college you can't afford because 'muh ivy league'
>get a useless degree
>100,000 in debt

you did this to yourself

The fact that it's used to perpetuate an International Socialist agenda, instead of educating and giving valuable skills to the masses.

> The free market is a communist wet dream
Uh, ok user.

Sure we do. People are inherently irrational. If you don't have arts and humanities you will perpetually fail to understand how society functions.

>especially when educational tourism becomes a major issue.
That's why Canadian universities charge foreign students up to 4x more for tuition fees, it helps subsidize Canadian students (but unfortunately still isn't high enough to keep out the tens of thousands of gooks and chinks). Almost no here expects free education except a bunch of 'gib me dats' cunts in Quebec.

> government total control over higher learning is the free market

I don't know where you can get a totally free college but in yurop my marketing school cost me like 1000€ a year, books included (which seems to be a big deal in murica). So I just got a part-time job and even saved enough money to travel every year.

How is ">free" a meme? It literally isn't free, the fact that you think it is shows how bad public education is.

Free or not. People who want to go to college will find a way. Those that dont want to go wont go if its free. I didnt. I dont like offices. Im a machinist and happy.

>A FUCKING LEAF arguing non-sense with A FUCKING SLINGSHOT

You don't need people with arts degrees for arts to exist.

The US cannot afford to provide free college and maintain it's current military.

You do if you want art to be anything but trash. Or, really, if you want to understand it.

waste of money with little real benefit

i don't have a moral imperative to pay for someone's cultural marxist indoctrination

Look at nation that have it.

It leads to higher taxes. Brain drain. And a larger population of entitled twats with shit degrees.

Contemporary art is already trash.

>if you want to understand it
Pseudo-intellectual alert.

If we didn't start to teach people that shitting on a canvas is considered art, there would be no need to 'understand' art.

Debt is the only thing holding back the brainwashing machine of every non-STEM, non-business department. I've never heard of an engineer having problems paying off his debt.

We can make uni free once its been purged of all the cancerous academic fields posing as "education." Before then high tuition actually serves an important purpose.

Burgers don't understand how great it is to be in university but not have a single dollar of debt to your name.

Someone has to pay for it.

If it's free, everyone will get one and they will mean nothing.

>arts come from the heart, no technique required

Fuck off you filthy modernist!