So far I have >Ron Swanson >Archie Bunker >Don Draper (or Roger)
I see a trend that a smug liberal writes a conservative/libertarian character to show how ridiculous it is, but it backfires and they often become an icon. Obviously the most recent is Ron Swanson. It feels early on they thought of him as a joke (who could possibly want less government?!) but as people idolized him they had to act like they planned it.
Conservative and libertarian are not the same thing you fucking idiot. Damn this thread is fucking dumb.
Kevin Adams
Libertarians find more common ground with a contard than a libcuck.
Asher Fisher
These days they kind of are. Guys like Gavin McInnes are considered far right, even though he's barely a conservative. Ben Shapiro is pretty libertarian on some issues too.
Jason Morgan
That depends greatly. When it comes to voting they split 50/50 so you have no point other than to show that you're misinformed and delusional about your support.
Adam Hernandez
In America most ideologies are considered right wing or conservative, ostracized by modern liberals
Including actual liberals
Jeremiah Kelly
Also Nick Offerman was always playing himself so you're an idiot. And he married Lucy Lawless. Enough said.
Mason Thomas
The joke isn't that he wants less government, the joke is that he's a government employee who deliberately tries to make his workplace as inefficient as possible to deter government activity because he wants less government.
Mason Davis
...
Nicholas Howard
>being a libertarian
It like you want a twopenny hangover your shit
Austin Jones
Without saying libertarian, name literally just one fucking example because I have that much confidence you're full of shit.
Henry Martinez
You're looking so far into this it's pathetic.
Evan Kelly
Nazism
Kevin Ward
Ash Williams?
is racist whit his sidekick "Pedro... err.. i mean Pablo"
though, he is a drug user
Austin Long
Right, because Nazis would normally have the tendency to vote left if not for liberals ostracizing them.
Or is this a joke? I honestly can't even tell with the average intelligence of Sup Forumstards nowadays.
Isaiah Robinson
Ash is from another time when it was completely normal to crack racial jokes. None of it's done to be mean spirited.
Hunter Barnes
NO FUN ALLOWED
Connor Brown
Alex P. Keaton
Carter Wilson
why is every first post on the 4chins now some faggot trying to take a shit on the thread?
Eli Jackson
Christians, Zionists, nationalists, ancaps, hell you even have modern liberals trying to ostracize literal communists as right wing by calling them 'fascist' and the 'regressive left'.
Many libertarian/ancap types kneejerk call natsocs leftists because they see any socialism as left wing. Many natsocs were originally leftists, I believe there's a Hitler quote about how it's easier to turn a communist into a national socialist than a conservative. Prior to the Night of the Long Knives, the Nazis had a very sizeable 'left wing' of the party that lives on today as Strasserism.
Ethan Hill
This armed bastard. He's from a show called life on mars, set in the 70s when coppers were allowed to do their job without worrying about paperwork or hurting their perps' feelings. The whole idea of the show is to take a look at a bygone era and make people realise that it wasn't as great as they've idolised it. Except it actually was so the show accidentally ends up glamourising it and people loved Gene Hunt.
Juan Mitchell
>Also Nick Offerman was always playing himself so you're an idiot. Nick Offerman is a leftie faggot that married Karen from Will and Grace, mr. wrong at everything
Colton Barnes
the '70s also happened to be a very lawless period in the US
Carson Murphy
Al Bundy
Dylan Long
Someone's triggered
Henry Foster
Only because conservatives were too stupid to get the joke.
Nolan Sullivan
Don and Roger were had realistic political beliefs for their time and business position, and at least Don's related to his story. But you're right.
Tyler Lopez
>faggot >married a woman Wow, idiot.
Chase Myers
Yeah, all nine people that responded to that post. And counting.
Gavin Collins
Film Johnny Rico
Cameron Lewis
Because it's a garbage thread and OP deserved to get shit on.
Hudson Mitchell
forgot one
Jack Mitchell
The redneck dude from walking dead
Lucas Ross
What if, and I'm just spit balling here, they're good writers who wrote good characters. I mean listen to yourself. If you ended up agreeing with them in any capacity then that mean they did conservatism justice because they put writing a believable character over their own politics. maybe, just maybe, not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you. But that's for another time. baby steps.
Dominic Myers
Alf Garnett was a racist, working class Conservative from BBC comedy 'Till Death Us Do Part'. Many people at the time missed the point of the programme and agreed with everything that Alf was saying
Brody Williams
>projecting
Wew lad
Mason Russell
>not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you Can't be to careful when this is what's going on at the top of their party.
Jack Rogers
Jakk Donaghy?
John Evans
>Jack
Jaxon Green
>everyone with left leaning ideologies are democrats >everyone with left leaning ideology agree with this woman >liberalism is a hivemind There's no such thing as a hivemind user. No liberal stays up all night rubbing their hands dreaming up new and innovative ways to hurt your feelings user, and unless the democratic party is sponsoring the show then whatever is happening in the party is irrelevant. so my point still stands: not all liberals are your boogeyman who are out to get you
Isaac Sanders
I don't know how you could watch that show and so completely misread the intent behind that character.
If you're disabled then I apologise for my insensitivity.
Jose Reed
While we're on the subject of conservatives and television, why aren't there more conservative comedy shows? There's a gold mine of material to work with and there's a huge market just waiting for it. >t. Jewish person whose good at investing
>I can just say "not all" every time the people pushing my ideology do something other people take issue with and never take responsibility for the damage my ideology does to society as a whole every time.
Brayden Kelly
Zionists, anarchists, communists are so small they practically don't matter, while nationalists are the same group as conservatives. But Zionists are really the only group named here that you can say have been moving towards the right.
Christians have always been right leaning but there's no reason to say that they've been ostracized by the left considering most democrats still identify with Christianity and nearly all democratic politicians are Christian. More importantly though, Christians aren't a political bloc and the point was to name political ideologies that have been drifting towards the right because of the way left-leaning media (and people) treat them.
Christians haven't been flocking over to the right wing, they've simply been converting to atheism in the left wing. If I had to guess, Christians have probably been shrinking in the right too, considering the surprising amount of alt-right that are atheist. Anyway it doesn't matter. If Christians can be named as a political ideology then I get to name every other religion including atheism as the left, and all of a sudden your argument falls apart that 'most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing.'
This whole claim you made is really pointless, because most political ideologies already soundly fit in one isle or the other, and libertarianism has truly remained neutral as they still vote 50/50 for democrats and republicans during elections.
Hunter Flores
>Conservatism = making jokes about Mexicans and hippies
Ryder Scott
this was a satire but Liz Lemon is also a satire of liberals
Blake Campbell
Okay so >conservative comedy shows? Because conservatism isn't funny. >there's a huge market just waiting for it. No there isn't. There certainly is a market, just look at Last Man Standing. however it's so small it's not worth spending production money on. just look at Last Man Standing.
Jack Hughes
Rorschach from Watchmen
Dylan Taylor
Last man standing was one of the top rated shows when it was airing
Robert Scott
When people say that voter ID laws are racist, they aren't referring to the ability to get an ID in a large city (like New York), the focus is more on rural areas in the south in which the places to get an ID are more spread out and harder to get to, which some minorities may not have the means to do.
Jose Robinson
You've entirely misinterpreted the Ron Swanson character.
Benjamin Rogers
>>Don Draper (or Roger) Neither were really conservative. Occasionally doing things that are now considered politically incorrect (and Don didn't even do that often) is not the same as being conservative.
The funny thing is the actually (politically) conservative character was Betty.
Jose Bell
Yeah, top rated for one of the lowest rated networks.
Wyatt Campbell
>"S-Saying "not all" doesn't count because I'm only capable of parroting blanket criticism against a homogeneous boogeyman." Man that's kinda sad. Here's the thing user. When your argument hinges on applying to everyone while not applying to everyone then it's time to get a new argument.
Nicholas Nelson
Only Sup Forums has a case of fpwp
Connor Garcia
rekt
Dylan Myers
Yes, on a very low rated network. Audience there was, money there was not.
Grayson Perry
Pope Pius XIII
Jaxon Stewart
Because propaganda is a delicate balancing act when your intent is to corral people into artificial camps designed specifically to keep them locked in conflict and away from realising their commonalities and power as a unified people.
Like the only difference between "comedy" and "liberal comedy" is devoting time to sneering at a completely virtual parody of the working class that you categorically call "conservative". It's irrelevant whether that stereotype is real, and since it probably isn't it would be weird for that strawman to want to claim an identity and represent itself in an artificial subset of media defined by those stereotypes?
I'm not American, this is just what's obvious from the outside. Maybe you think your entertainment is a meritocracy though. lol
Jeremiah Smith
Lefties cant handle this guy
Logan Rogers
Until it turned out he was a heeb and everyone dropped the show.
Jaxon Allen
They are saying that minorities are incapable of action but don't worry I will save you. Low expectations man
Christopher Flores
Backfired ? Are you retarded ? Ron swanson is a likeable character whos strong respected and funny at the same time. You have to get your head out of your polackasshole and join the real world.
Lincoln Lee
Imagine how completely you could control "corporate" media and by extension the vast majority of American propaganda, if only you owned the ratings agencies and could make up whatever numbers you wanted.
In a world like that, imagine what kind of power you could have if you owned a platform and decided to air whatever you specifically wanted people to see, without regard for revenue.
John Parker
Ron Swanson was based on the boss of one of the writers who had worked at a fucking parks department. This guy literally said a lot of Ron's lines in did a lot of the most Ron-esque things on the show in real life, including stalling government projects because "it would be more beneficial to the taxpayer".
There was no political agenda, they just thought the fun irony of a government hating dude working in government which they had literally witnessed first-hand would make for some fun TV moments.
Then they expanded on the character by adding some of Offerman's traits and interests, such as woodworking, musical talent, valuing nature etc.
That is basically how every character in a mockumentary is made. Base it heavily one specific person from your life -> merge with the actor over time.
Charles Howard
60 something posts and no one mentioned the undisputed King?
Alexander Gutierrez
>and never take responsibility for the damage my ideology does to society as a whole Swap ideology for race and this argument can now be used to tell a person why they should feel white guilt. I like to call this a horseshoe argument. It's so vague and accusatory with no real points that anyone can use it for anything.
Carter Brown
It's more like the conservative audiences are so stupid and unable to recognize satire that they think the character is written unironically
Joseph Turner
The Punisher and Judge Dredd
Jordan Davis
But you dont swap dummy. Stop moving the goal post
William Morris
This. Just look at American History X. I knew so many conservative racists that listed that as their favorite movie when it's clearly anti-racism
Michael Fisher
So, first of all those numbers aren't made up. Hillary was by far the favored candidate as reflected by her popular vote win. However the0y didn't take into account that the vast majority of Americans (particularly hillary's demographic.) don't vote leading to Trump sweeping the electoral college. Essentially, Hillary did have a 90% chance of winning, however, we live in the 10% universe.
Parker Lewis
The question of "why are there no conservative comedians" always comes up but the answer is just that conservatives don't get humor and are often less intelligent.
People are going to feed me (You)'s for this, but one of the most popular conservative "comedians" is a literal braindead moron
Landon Davis
>The Punisher
Except The Punisher perfectly illustrated that Daredevil is a half measure and was put there to nuance shit, to make the audience doubt Matt Murdock's self-righteousness and moral code.
Henry Allen
HMM but what does this have to do with Nielsen ratings???
Hudson Nelson
>Zionists, anarchists, communists are so small they practically don't matter Zionists control the most powerful arm of the Republican Party, so I'm not sure what that's all about. Ancaps have some institutional support in the form of the Mises Institute, although they're certainly not on the same level as a the Zionists or more mainstream political ideologies.
>while nationalists are the same group as conservatives And nationalists sure as shit aren't the same thing as conservatives...I don't even know where to begin with that. Someone like Cruz would be a conservative, someone like Trump would be a soft nationalist (at least initially, his administration is slowly turning into neoconservatism)
>But Zionists are really the only group named here that you can say have been moving towards the right. Nothing I've listed was about who was 'moving towards the right'. I was listing ideologies that associate with the Republican Party that in many cases have a separate agenda from conservatism.
>Christians have always been right leaning but there's no reason to say that they've been ostracized by the left considering most democrats still identify with Christianity and nearly all democratic politicians are Christian. Some people take their religion a bit more seriously than others. The word Christian is a blanket statement, but I was referring to people who pursue political policy directly informed from their religion. Christians voted Trump over Clinton by nearly 20%. This goes up to a 60% difference if we're just looking at Evangelicals, which is who I had in mind when I was speaking of them as a voting bloc. pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
1/2
Carter King
Garth Ennis wrote Frank Castle to be a bad bad motherfucker. There was nothing ironic about that character.
Joshua Cooper
thanks for reminding me fox news answer to the daily show
>More importantly though, Christians aren't a political bloc and the point was to name political ideologies that have been drifting towards the right because of the way left-leaning media (and people) treat them. Absolute bullshit, I don't know if you're young or what but you talk like someone who was born before the 80s. Do you think the Evangelical voting bloc just dissolved with Falwell's death? Why do you think Trump, a historical NYC business Rep (ie he's never really cared for Christian moralist issues), brought people like Pence and Sessions on board? He was capturing the Evangelical vote. newrepublic.com/article/142350/trump-political-power-evangelicals-frances-fitzgerald-book-review (hate the site but this article is worth a read)
>Christians haven't been flocking over to the right wing, they've simply been converting to atheism in the left wing. I never claimed this, but Christians have always been farther right than left.
>If I had to guess, Christians have probably been shrinking in the right too, considering the surprising amount of alt-right that are atheist. Anyway it doesn't matter. Not really what I was arguing, but my Pew link shows you're wrong anyway if you're interested.
Actually 2/3
Lucas Young
>If Christians can be named as a political ideology then I get to name every other religion including atheism as the left, and all of a sudden your argument falls apart that 'most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing.' Every religion does express itself as a political ideology at a certain point, you dunce. Within the US you get Judaism influencing politics as Zionism, if you go to Israel you get actual theocrats. And Islam? I mean do I even have to go into Islamism, Salafism, and late Ba'athism? And where they fuck did I say that "most political ideologies are moving towards the right wing", do you even know what I said in my post and what the posts I'm responding to said? You're not even arguing against what I said, you're creating some kind of weird strawman that I was never arguing against. This whole post has been a waste of time and I wish I never wrote it.
John Taylor
Maybe the percentages are bullshit because they didn't get the right report on the swing states, and not your alt universe autism.
Matthew Murphy
Top-shelf "comedy" my friend, I can see why he's so popular
Tyler Nguyen
Who is Rock Hudson.
Cooper James
actually that was a tweet
i don't have time to explain twitter to you, are you sure you're really an obnoxious self-identified "liberal" without understanding twitter though, i am confused
Zachary Nelson
Or maybe the numbers are made up and perceptions are more important to people with media monopolies than realistic statistics are?
Jace Ramirez
>shows niggers as violent scum >main character is right the whole time
Literally why wouldn't racists like it.
Ryan Lewis
>Don Draper
Draper was fairly liberal given the time and other characters. Most men of the time Drapers position would have dropped Peggy for example.
William Morris
Conservative comedians suck because they don't want to touch any of the fun subjects. To them, everything funny is "obscene", so they won't touch the subjects that can produce comedy gold. They have also lived boring lives, thus they have boring stories.
Female, liberal comedians also suck, because they take this extreme too far in the other direction by thinking that being obscene just for the sake of it is always funny ("MY VAGINA!!!"). Pure obscenity can totally be fun, but few women master this
Have you ever heard of a great comedian who had never been a complete degenerate at some point in his life (or later turned out to be a total degenerate)?
Carter Cooper
What are you babbling about? Last Man Standing aired on the network owned by arguably the most powerful media company in the world right now.
Grayson Gonzalez
Doonsbury is possible the worst newspaper "funny" that has ever been made. I feel genuinely angry that such a talentless and unfunny artist has had good life on this shitty comic. Fuck every smug leftie paper that printed it, especially the guardian.
Daniel Thompson
>comedians don't use tweets as platforms for their comedy I don't have time to point out how stupidly you articulate your thoughts by the way, but here's a free tweeted joke on the house
Parker Russell
You can't be this dense.
Easton Cruz
>greentext strawman because you got owned
yeah have fun refuting something you made up which nobody said
you sure do sound like a winner
Tyler Wright
When someone says this, you know you've struck a nerve.
>n-no, you're pathetic!!!
pathetic
Eli Hall
Actually it was cancelled because Tim Allen asked for too much money when renegotiating his contract. It was relatively popular but it wasn't Home Improvement popular.
Landon Parker
>you got owned
yikes
by the way, Tim Allen says specifically that it's part of a bit on evolution being so wacky and unbelievable. So, top-shelf comedy
Matthew Jenkins
I thought I'd address the picture since the implication was that they were making numbers up when that makes absolutely no sense and would be impossible to pull off. I thought the picture was some kind of "they made that up like they made this up" when in reality neither were made up.
They did report on the swing states, however while their sample size would accurately portray an election where everyone voted and it accurately portrayed the popular vote. The problem isn't that the statistics were made up, that's just silly. This was a case where considered variables (the amount of people who voted) lead to an unlikely outcome. Hence why Trump had a 10% rather than 0 and the 10% outcome happened. this isn't sorcery user.