Is James Cameron right?

Is James Cameron right?

>“All of the self-congratulatory back-patting Hollywood’s been doing over ‘Wonder Woman’ has been so misguided,” he told the outlet in an interview to promote the “Terminator 2: Judgment Day” re-release. “She’s an objectified icon, and it’s just male Hollywood doing the same old thing!”

>“I’m not saying I didn’t like the movie but, to me, it’s a step backwards,” he continued. “Sarah Connor was not a beauty icon. She was strong, she was troubled, she was a terrible mother, and she earned the respect of the audience through pure grit. And to me, [the benefit of characters like Sarah] is so obvious. I mean, half the audience is female!”

He's fucking wrong. He's basically saying that Wonder Woman was too beautiful, too wholesome and too feminine-like to be considered a strong female role model for women.

he infers that she is a Mary Sue.

But she inst.

Has he seen Gal Gadot?

She does no wrong entire life, destroys a church like the jews are doing in Europe now and is a god.

She had no flaws other than being naive.

He's wrong, Wonder Woman is a female hero done right. I liked the movie but I'm liking the salty tears it's causing even more

She was naive and dumb as fuck, needing a man to teach her better not only about her mission but human nature in general, and she got so dependent on this man she started to desire his cum deep inside her. In the end is the man that saves the day and all she can do is avenge his death, because there's no victory to her mission.

BASED cameron

>unironically watching capeshit

She's a feminist mary sue, its boring writing. Linda Hamilton was both hot and believable as a total badass. Gal looks like a joke, acts like a joke, and was written like a joke

There was nothing feminist about the character. She was feminine, not feminist.

>done right
>a dead eyed fish face with no lines because the director knows she couldn't deliver them, and no flaws because the audience couldn't handle them
Fascinating

>plugs his own movie
>not Alien
Classic Cameron

And apparently people forgot how Sarah Connor was in Terminator 1. She wasn't le badass stronk character, she became one via character development.

>no flaws
>has to be lead around by a man like a fucking child
Stick to baby grewt

>She had no flaws other than being naive.
So, she had flaws. She's fooled by the main guy for the whole movie and she breaks down before getting it together and fight back at the end.
Of course she's beautiful, sympathethic, strong, etc. She's a fucking superhero.
You guys obviously don't know what a Mary Sue is and it's just become a buzzword to use whenever you feel threatened in your fragile masculinity by a fictional character.

>LE STRONK GURRRL POWURR ONLY LE MEN CAUSE LE WARS
>b-bu-but i-its not f-feminist if she's my kawaii waifuuu uguuu
seek help degenerate

>no lines (...) no flaws
Did you even watch the movie?

her being dumb about everything just makes you fags go "awwww CUTE", and when she isn't like that in modern times she has no personality, so not a flaw. It is like saying a child's innocence is a flaw, when it's the cynical world that is wrong.

She's literally in no danger the entire movie and any time it seems like she might be in trouble her incredibly vague and conveniently-timed set of superpowers develops to prevent any harm to her. Also she literally says that she saved the day with love at the end. How much more Mary Sue can you get?

>ONLY LE MEN CAUSE LE WARS

Dats true tho.

Nah, I don't really agree with him at all. If she's an objectified icon, so is Superman; the entire premise of a superhero is an idealised version of a human being.

That said, the criticism towards him online is so entirely ridiculous, claiming that he's "mansplaining" female empowerment or that the fact that his relationship with Linda Hamilton wasn't a good one. It's ad hominem, plain and simple, ideas should be judged based on their own merits and not by who's saying them.

>Linda Hamilton
>hot
Go to bed, Jim

>a church like the jews are doing in Europe now and is a god.
literally anti-christ behavior

>Of course she's beautiful, sympathethic, strong, etc. She's a fucking superhero.
Not him but that's a great argument for why capeshit is always godawful dreck for the mentally disabled: how could a grown man possibly find those types of characters or their stories interesting? It can only slightly work if they are essentially removed from the story ala the new tick

How many days till Avatar 2, pham?

Cameron is likely referencing her first heroic scene where she struts into battle field in a mini skirt. They should've done a costume progression like captain America.

>self-congratulatory back-patting
>says the guy who did Avatar
Just stick to making movies.

I wonder what he feels about Man of Steel

Only Hollywood cares that much about the Wonder Woman movie

Almost like comicbooks weren't meant for 30 year old except american splendor which is literally the only good comic movie

How in hell a superhero can be a role model? It's just a fantasy, never gonna happen in real life.

>a mini skirt
Yeah, what the fuck were those Greeks and Romans thinking, going into battlefield in mini skirts!

>She’s an objectified icon

So was Neytiri. It's hard to think of a more objectified icon than the Pocahontas myth.

>HURR DURR POCAHONTAS WAS REAL

Almost certainly a fabrication by John Smith.

Linda's transformation from Terminator to T2 was the most effort any woman has ever put into an acting gig.

That's a retarded question, a story doesn't have to be grounded in reality for you to connect with the ideals it espouses.

Except Sarah Connor was literally pandering to a fetish, so it's still objectified if we're using the same criteria.

>Is James Cameron right?

why would you even ask this? of course he is

It's no different than classic action movie heroes, like Arnold's and Sly's in the 80s. I mean, what is Conan if not a male power fantasy, in the same way Wonder Woman is a female one?
Now, are you gonna say that Conan is for the mentally disabled?

>Except Sarah Connor was literally pandering to a fetish

Mother fuckers...?

Wot fetish? She was good in the first one

>being dumb and knowing nothing about the world is not a flaw
Imagine being this dense

>wonder woman is not as good as the best female character in action movies
Maybe, she's still great though, just look at the contrarians here at Sup Forums getting triggered and shit

This has more to do with DC superheroes, they're all literally gods.

If you're looking for role models in fictional works, you need to grow the fuck up.
For kids, it's just a typical role model. How is she any different to any male heroe that also is too beautiful, too wholesome and too masculine?

>they're all literally gods
You mean like Batman, and unlike Thor?

I don't get it either. When I was a kid I watched/read X-Men, Spider-Man, and Batman because it was fun. Just like I watched r rated movies and porn etc as a kid. Not FUN in the "haha peepee poopoo dance off bro Beyonce xD" sense. I mean fun as in entertaining. Superheroes never built up my character or made the world less cruel. Only kikes and their shills will tell you this shit builds a person.

Yup. Rey and Khaleesi are great too.

The best scene in the movie is her telling Steve to fuck off while she goes charging into No Man's Land. You're missing the point here

Tough, rough, sweaty women are a pretty common.

She wasn't any of that in T1. She was a complete (and believable) damsel in T1, Reese did all the heavy lifting until the end.

Not shrapnel that's for sure.

Conan is actually a good movie. But Conan wasn't a good character. And id say most 80s action movies were pretty shit, including most of arnie and slys. Wonderwoman is a bad character in bad disney capeshit

The thing is that it works both ways. She's naive and learns a lot of things from the characters and situations around her (it's basically a coming of age movie, actually), but she also brings something along with her, and teaches something to those around her. It's just pretty basic storytelling, and it's foolproof.

She has an idealized version of the world, and it's the world that fails to meet HER standards, and we're told this many times

So not a flaw. The entire world is a flaw compared to her instead.

>But Conan wasn't a good character. And id say most 80s action movies were pretty shit, including most of arnie and slys.
Allright pal. I just wanted to confirm your opinions were shit. Now we can move on.

Children usually aren't too self aware of who or what they're being influenced . Usually little boys like wolverine because they think he's cool. Little boys look up to what they think is cool. And that's fine but that type of behavior shouldn't progress into adulthood the way it does for so many of these weird fucks

Well, she was also carrying a sword and a shield.
Her costume is consistent with her origin, and was never used as an excuse to show some cheesecake.

Fact: indians loved the BWC and thanked their superiors for colonizing them.

Whatever helps you rationalize watching capeshit with the plotlines literally cut out as to not confuse the chinks. lel

He sounds like a cuck leftie here.

Now explain how the flaws you just mentioned aren't representative of her naivety

>He's fucking wrong. He's basically saying that Wonder Woman was too beautiful, too wholesome and too feminine-like to be considered a strong female role model for women.

Yeah, Jim's off the mark here. Sarah in T2 dehumanizes herself in the pursuit of her goal and becomes a "strong woman" by effectively turning herself into a man, she literally destroys her femininity so she isn't "weak".

I guess if he was strictly talking about T1 Sarah I could see a point. Ripley in Aliens and Lindsey in the Abyss both fit what he's saying better too. The less said about True Lies and Avatar the better though.

Jim should have just said the movie is mediocre and remind fags that "strong female characters" have been around for decades, including Wonder Woman, so Hollywood can stop pretending the movie was pionering anything.

Patty Jenkins responded.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Good answer really. Nails it.

>icon
>literally just superman with tits
laughing so hard
>inb4 some capeshit loser tries to argue wonder woman isn't just fucking superman

I don't need to rationalize anything. I either enjoy a movie or don't. You can also enjoy rock and roll or pop music, along with classical.

It is possible that he doesn't like Superman either for the same reason.

Where did I say they weren't?

Can we off this ride

Who would've guessed? I mean, I certainly didn't see that coming after watching Avatar!

Nails what? The fact his opinion is invalid because he's a man only when he disagrees with a woman? Or the fact the whole idea of a correct portrayal of women is just one big fucking heap of shit where nobody wins?

>James Cameron can't understand Wonder Woman because he's a man
>Sup Forums will defend this and say Wonder Woman/Patty Jenkins don't push a feminist agenda

what have we become

>>literally just superman with tits
If we're going by DCEU standards, I'd say Superman is Wonder Woman without balls.

Based.

>being a terrible mother is a good thing

>I'd say Superman is Wonder Woman without balls.

That has always been the case.

yass

>what have we become
pinkpilled

So Wonder Woman is an icon of women everywhere, and pats ideal form of "strong woman" is a psychopathic murderer. If this is what women celebrate and equate to being empowering, they're fucked in the heads more ways than sundown

He fucked up thinking WW is a realistic character when in fact she's an idealized power fantasy.

She's not saying his opinion is invalid, she's saying his opinion is wrong, and she explains why. The explanation is correct.

Is it the Sup Forums influence that is making this thread so god awful or is there some other shit at play

lol

>power fantasy still revolves around men pulling the strings
pottery

At least we're not Sup Forumstards.

It's people being contrarian because alt-right faggots became annoying and invasive.

Well Sup Forums is sjw territory and the sjws are the ones triggered by cameron, so you do the math.

Don't diss True Lies you fucking nigger

You can assume being naive was just a phase of never seeing the real world, in the superman vs batman she no longer looks retarded and naive, so yeah she eventually evolves to full marie sue.

>Or the fact the whole idea of a correct portrayal of women is just one big fucking heap of shit where nobody wins?
It's almost as if you failed to understand her point. She's saying there's not one unique right way to portray women just like there's not one unique right way to portay men. Women should be able to be portrayed in as many different ways as men are. Saying that women should only be gritty and tough to be heroic, like Cameron implies, is just as bad as saying they should be delicate and weak. You should be able to prortray any kind of female character you want, just like you're able to portray any kind of male character you want.

It's funny how the reactionary attitude towards women of many posters here is actually making them side with a guy who is preaching the "strong woman" stereotype instead of a lady that's saying that stereotype is bullshit.

Presented in a villainous role, yes.

It's a character flaw, dumbass. He even says it after "she was troubled".

so basically the old you can't understand us cuz you ain't us shtick

Wonder Woman doesn't need to be some ugly cuntish bitch with mental problems to be strong female character. She can be beautiful, loving and gentle, and be a strong female character BECAUSE OF IT.

Since when woman have to become hard as man to be taken seriously? That's fucked up.

Anyone who believes based Jim is in the wrong here needs to go the fuck back to r/movies and stay there