Civil War

Are there any Civil War movies that sympathize with the Confederates?

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Gods and Generals

Ken Burns

The majority of them.

American Outlaws

I was going to say Cold Mountain but I don't think that qualifies. Are there any films that simply don't make it a point to NOT sympathize with the Confederates. Hollywood is very careful to not adulate anything southern.

How can anyone not sympathize with them? They had superior spirit, honor and generals.

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set during reconstruction but The Outlaw Josey Wales

Gone with the Wind.

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The civil war summed up.

They were gay faggots.

>sympathize with traitors
I think it's time for another march to the sea.

How was the secession of the US from Britain any less treasonous than the souths secession? The deceleration of independence declares it a just cause to break away from another entity when that entity no longer serves your interests.

Not really, no. The Confederacy is literally Nazi-tier to Hollywood, they'll never make a big budget movie portraying white southerners as anything other than evil racists who were only willing to fight and die to separate from the US because they just really hated black people.

You must really hate Jefferson

Most of the older ones due to the prevalence of the lost cause legend. So anything before the 60s is your best bet.

Birth of a Nation

No, they didn't, especially the honor part. They had shit for honor. Look up the fort pillow massacre. Look up Andersonville. If that's what honor looks like to you then you're pretty twisted.

>How was the secession of the US from Britain any less treasonous than the souths secession?
US won.
The South lost.
History is written by those who are victorious.

Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy

The Birth of a Nation
Gone With the Wind
Gettysburg and Gettysburg Part 2: Gods and Generals Harder
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Horse Soldiers
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

This desu

Thought I did fall asleep 2/3 of the way through.

That's irrelevant though. The South didn't get its history purged. In 2017 you can freely research everything. It's so corny having a cartoon view about the Civil War.

Exactly this. And the leftist comparison between the Confederacy and Nazi Germany is so Facebook-ish and dorm room-ish that it boggles my mind how adults take it seriously.

One was about freedom from tyranny, the other was about the desire to own humans beings.

I tried watching it numerous times. It's not interesting. It's actually a little ridiculous. The first hour is nauseating speeches with overly emotional and dramatic music playing over them. The battles aren't that interesting either.

Well there is that one movie that is also one of the best movies ever.

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Piu Forte

The case can be made that one of the biggest reasons for secession from Britain was they wouldn't let colonists slaughter natives.

Gettysburg
but it's 4 hours long

>Sympathize with pro-slavery traitors and rednecks
Nah, we're good as it is

This, especially any clip involving Shelby Foote.
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>comparing the Revolutionary War to the Civil War
>one was fought over the right to self-representation while the other was fought over the right of the slave owning elite to own slaves
>comparing the founding fathers to filthy traitors
>educated elite who found slavery problematic vs those who did everything they could to preserve it

Fucking disgusting. Then again, you probably have traitor's blood so you were brought up to believe your ancestors weren't criminal scum. Another reason they should have executed all the confederate leadership...

Free soilers and Lincoln only opposed slavery because they didn't think blacks and whites should live next to one another.

Make the case. The onus is on you.

Here are some excerpts from the causes of secession from the traitors:

Georgia:
"For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."
Mississippi:
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."
South Carolina:
"But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution." [Fugitive Slave Clause]
Texas:
"She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."
Virginia:
"The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States."

It was about slavery, full stop.

Great, but they still opposed slavery.

With the power of the internet with the power of seeing niggerdom from your white neighborhood how could you ever be against slavery?

Yeah, it's not a very good movie. Hence the falling asleep. It does put a fairly positive spin on the confederacy, though.

>who found slavery problematic

You realize Lee and Jackson opposed slavery and Grant owned slaves for a while after the war, right? It's ridiculous what a horrible understanding of history you people have. The Confederacy was glorious and the northern army was literally a bunch of dunken fools who tripped over themselves for 4 years until the south was exhausted.

So did many Confederates, like, you know, Robert E Lee.

>The Confederacy was glorious and the northern army was literally a bunch of dunken fools who tripped over themselves for 4 years until the south was exhausted.
Crazy how a bunch of drunks managed to win. Must've been 'cause the confederacy wasn't glorious and was actually full of inbred rednecks like yourself.

Cold Mountain.

It's more neutral/blames "The Man", than sympathetic towards the Confederate side. Though the hero and heroine are technically confederates.

It's a really good, old fashioned romantic drama too - with some fancy battle scenes and naughty words thrown into the mix.

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It doesn't matter if he opposed it philosophically when he fought for its continuation. Actions matter, not intent. Stop trying to whitewash a traitor.

So glorious Confederate rebel gray army got BTFO by yankee drunks? tip top zozzle

>one was fought over the right to self-representation
>the south seceded from a government that had literally ceased representing its interests
Really jingles my jangles

Everyone knew from the absolute beginning why the south couldn't in, because it was far smaller in population and a mostly agricultural society. Yet, it decimated and embaressed the northern army for the majority of the war. It was always believed to be a lost cause because they simply did not have the resources. What they did have was the spirit and the infinitely superior generals. A bunch of stupid rednecks who could outsmart 99% of northern drunkards.

Sure, the south seceded over the future of slavery and what that institution meant for the south's place in the union. But does anyone really think the North fought because they were so nice? There's this self righteousness involved in these discussions that's really distasteful. The northern war effort was prosecuted toward one purpose, to put down a rebellion. It wasn't about a grand moral cause.

How'd that Sherman dicking feel, traitor? Can you feel your ancestors' assholes puckering?

All the north could do was keep burning resources until the south was exhausted. That's what they did.

>A bunch of stupid rednecks who could outsmart 99% of northern drunkards.
Yet they still lost lel

Daily reminder Yankee fags deliberatly forget that Lincoln freed the slaves ONLY in the Southern States as a big fuck you to the southerners.
Also that the supreme court had ruled on slavery en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
"the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States"

Actions matter, intent does not. The north opposed slavery with their actions, the south supported it. End of story, traitor.

I'm from Pennsylvania. I have no pride in that war from our side. None. To me it is the greatest shame in our history and I'd gladly stab you in the back if the chance ever rose.

why would anyone sympathize with losers?

falcons led by 25 points

They never won because of superior tactics or fighters

>dipshit southerner salty logistics wins wars
wew

Robert E. Lee's own words

> While we see the Course of the final abolition of human Slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who sees the end; who Chooses to work by slow influences; & with whom two thousand years are but as a Single day. Although the Abolitionist must know this, & must See that he has neither the right or power of operating except by moral means & suasion, & if he means well to the slave, he must not Create angry feelings in the Master;

However much he disliked the institution of slavery, he was opposed to abolition. Only Jesus himself had the right to free the slaves.

Daily reminder the traitors got put down by the righteous north.

People saying "treason" are either being disingenuous trolls or don't really understand what they are talking about.

The Civil War in the U.S. was unique and interesting precisely because of the structure of the U.S. and the way it reflect a more traditional nation states vs. nation states conflict - Hence why it was so incredibly bloody AND so comparatively easy to conclude and put to bed.

I've also seen bizarre claims from fairly big media personalities that Jefferson and Washington statues are "different" because "they fought to preserve the Union".

How you "preserve" that which does not yet exist I don't know, but it's a funny take.

>History is written by those who are victorious.

Tell that to liberals constantly whining about Muh Native American Genocide.

>discrediting a genocide with muh
Fuck off, traitor.

Very weird how liberals spit on the Confederacy while grinding their axes for Civil War 2 where they're the TRAITOR. I of course will take glee in siding with the feds who are mighty.

>However much he disliked the institution of slavery, he was opposed to abolition. Only Jesus himself had the right to free the slaves.

This makes 0 sense.

>Very weird how good people spit on the people who wanted slavery
really whistles my dixie

>I was going to say Cold Mountain but I don't think that qualifies.
Why doesn't it qualify?

my favorite scene was when she was about to get raped, made my preteen self hard

"muh moral superiority" in truth was never anything more than "get these fucking niggers off this continent and away from us". I'd side with the north today if historians ever told the truth.

Actions speak louder than words, traitor.
> I'd side with the north today if historians ever told the truth.

If you would at all side with the south, kill yourself.

>If the original colonists never brought over the black beasts, the US would be a utopia right now
fucking morons

In my part of America we don't demonize either side of the Civil War. We don't glorify Communists or National Socialists either.

Yeah all that free labor sure did hurt the economy of a new nation.

>he actually thinks the Native Americans were the victims of a genocide
History is written by the victors pal. The Native Americans were forced aside by a superior civilization. It's just that simple.

Until I remembered I was on Sup Forums I didn't know how to even go about responding to that.

>The North opposed slavery with their actions

Not really. They only partially abolished it after the War and only in the Rebel states.

>traitor

Isn't it the North who burned down the South?

A lot of this seems like a pointless debate from the Southerners though - While there were many reasons for secession, and countless individual reasons for individuals joining the confederacy, and many "crimes" committed by the North, at the end of the day the South's overriding concern was States Rights BASED on the States being allowed to keep the practice of slavery. There's no good way to put that for most modern people. It's just something most human's won't accept as normal now.

It's like the Nazi Larpers talking about the various reasons for WW2 and "Hitler Dindu".

At the end of the day, he launched a war of aggression on Western Europe and went into Poland to commit atrocities despite being given huge leniancy in invading Austria and raping the Czechs. He brought it on himself.

>believes in social darwinism
>somehow also sides with the confederacy, a society that was demolished by the superior north
really emancipates my proclamation

>says the faggot that glorifies a nation that wiped out the Native Americans
But blacks are your puppets so I guess it's ok then.

Why wouldn't I? One side wanted slaves and the other wanted to expel blacks from the continent. I prefer southern culture and believe they should have been allowed to declare independence. Nothing else needs to be said. What I don't understand about you people is if you have such a virtiol hatred for southerners why are you so desperate to keep them as compatriots? It's purely egotistical. You just want to extend power of them because it gets your rocks off.

Just like how the ubermensch germans got blown out by the subhuman slavs

>writes traitor at the of almost every sentence
Don't respond to b8, you fucking retard

>I prefer southern culture
Slavery, you mean. You prefer slavery.

m-m-uh aryan masterrace

Ehh, not really. Basically his view was that slavery was of course bad, but that suddenly ending it was worse - the slow, peaceful influence of Christianity would eventually end it, even if it took thousands of years (how cynically you take that view is up to you).

Keep in mind that he (and most others of his time) viewed blacks as "lesser" in most ways to whites, and also that the Haitian revolution was still within living memory, so people were legitimately concerned about what would happen if all these slaves were suddenly free.

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feels bad man

I like your mother's night time cam shows, yes.

Yeah, it's really worth all the crime and ghettoization 200 years later. Certainly the hundreds of thousands of rapes and murders blacks commit is well balanced with producing some cotton and enriching slave owners 200 years ago.

The south's """culture""" was about slavery.

Slavery or expulsion of the negroid. Either is fine. I don't look at the war in those terms. I look at is an attempt by a nation to create a country of their own. I don't give two shits about your faux morality.

Your mother is into bondage gear too, it's really riveting stuff.

Confederate society is far more intact today than whatever Northern society looked like in 1861. Is all this anger because Hillary lost, sweetie?

The push for the 13th amendment started long before the end of the war. It was approved by the house and senate before Appomattox. The only part that came after the war was ratification by the states

Are you saying the only aspect of southern culture is this one thing?

Murder isn't even in the top 10 causes of death, cuck. White, Christian, Republican men will kill more people by not providing healthcare to all than any amount of murderers in the united states.

I'm not American.

I put "muh" because it's not an actual genocide, but a metaphorical one.

Also, way to shirk responsibility for your own beliefs.

> I don't look at the war in those terms
Too bad, because that's how the south saw it. See: The confederacy got wiped out by a superior society.

Sorry, I undersold it. You've got nascar and gaybashing too.

>not paying unbounded amounts of your resources for the healthcare of the stupid and indolent is equivalent to murder

cold mountain is kino

>I put "muh" because it's not an actual genocide, but a metaphorical one.

This devastation once was a nation.
So fall the dice; how high is the price?

>The Confederacy was glorious
>"teehee, ignore da massacres"

It is when other countries manage to have way better healthcare at fractions of the cost.

>You've got nascar and gaybashing too.

The irony is that the south has always been the part of the county that has been seen as having the most genuine folkish culture. Pretty much all recognizable American culture is southern culture.