Why not Islam?

We all know that the decline of the West is rooted in ruthless individualism, women's liberation, greed, breakdown of the family unit, and Godlessness.

Clearly Christianity wasn't strong enough to stand up to these forces. Especially Western Christianity with the Pope giving the green light to homosexuality.

Islam is the only religion strong enough to resist the ever-present threat of moral decay. So why does Sup Forums hate it so much?

It can be practiced sensibly too, as we saw from the Ottoman Sunnis and currently the Shia.

Is tranny porn and marijuana that important to you guys?

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Guess muh dick is more important than the family unit.

have they accomplished anything but beheading children or blowing themselves up? no. no they haven't

Assuming this is not bait, and because OP's post is relatively well written, I suppose you deserve a response.

Islam is a strong religion that promotes many of the values we support and condemns many forms of degeneracy, including tranny porn and weed, which are vices that Sup Forums has no problem engaging in because it is full of hypocrites.

However, the idealists among us would like to believe that we can fight degeneracy without Islam.

Think about it like this:

Sure, I have respect for someone who abstains from alcohol because of health problems.

But I have even more respect for someone who abstains because of a moral objection to it, and could very well drink without any consequences.

Think about Islam like the health problem. It helps us arrive at the proper conclusion, but it is not the best way to get there.

Exhibiting self-control and strong morals is much more important than being so afraid of a God that you are scared out of doing things you would otherwise want to do.

I respect the guy who has a crack pipe sitting in front of him and resists more than the guy who has no access at all.

The Persians and Ottomans accomplished a lot.

And maybe this is the luddite in me but every post-industrial "accomplishment" has just as many drawbacks as benefits.. read A Farewell to Alms or the Unabomber's manifesto.

Idealism is not realistic. We cannot expect everybody to have the same willpower and discipline. There needs to be a third party enforcing whether it's greater society or the State. Otherwise we just get rabid individualism.

>The Persians and Ottomans accomplished a lot.
that has nothing to do with other white nations accepting Islam though. Muslims should stay Muslim in their own land and stop fucking with the west. of course there can be drawbacks, but by that logic it'd be better to stay living in mud huts.

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>feminism

Eat shit spammer kike.

Why not Scientology? Empirically and logically it's just as valid as Islam. The entirety of both religions rest 100% on the linchpin of 1 single man NOT being a lier, crazy or simply mistaken.

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Iran and turkey are barely functional states
>muh Ottomemes and Pudersians
I understand why you'd like to live in the past, Muslims haven't got anything to show for themselves in the modern world other than terror and failed states. You mutilate and oppress people and don't do shit to make their lives any better under your rule. yourdecadent leaders pay western whores to be living toilets for them. Your religion is also being steadily infiltrated by fags and feminists in the West, turning it intro something else.

Who cares whether its patently "true" or "false". It's about whether it's healthy for greater society

Islam is morally and ethically bankrupt.

You CANNOT refute this.

>It's about whatever muslims deem healthy for greater society

Fixed that for you.

Their book is made of revisionist lies about events that happened 700 years before their religion was invented. Their founder died a normal human death that was recorded by historians, and then rewritten by his followers in order to make him into an idol to be worshiped. Even the early followers that pretended to be devout on their mission into Europe, gave up as soon as their cache of stolen loot was lost to them.

I'm posting this OC because of how much of a cuck you are.

Because Sup Forums told me it was bad.

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I'm not even Muslim. I'm a nihilist atheist. I'm basically playing the devil's advocate here.

Failed States thanks a lot to the West's inability to stop fucking with everybody. Except the purveyors of Salafism in Saudi Arabia of course.

And LOL at the "modern world", we're over socialized, over industrialized, wandering with no purpose in life but Muh Shekels. Western Women are unhappy as fuck because they've been memed into jettisoning their one imperative in life to chase after some "career'

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You raise valid points, but I could never convert to Islam.

I like pork too much.

It encourages a social structure that is dysgenic in nature. Segregating the sexes to such a degree is bad news; the inbreeding in muslim countries speak volumes and is a direct consequence of its values.
The lack of intellectual achievements is also no accident - surely it is partly IQ deflation by inbreeding, but there are also popular schools of thought in Islam that are profoundly anti-intellectual. When you have a book that you are obligated to view as the final word on *everything*, suddenly creativity and innovation become not only unfashionable, but downright contemptible.

You hold certain values dear; do not mistake that for holding dear a value package that includes these, but also others.

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I agree bring on the Islam, and when we are muslims we will kill the sandniggers and take their religion as our own.

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There is much to admire about Islam, I primarily like the concept of Jihad, the both internal and external spiritual struggle, it's a great concept for a warrior culture.

But, Islam concerns itself too much with degenerate behaviour itself. As a culture, it can only rely on a Caste System in order to innovate itself, primarily taxing Christians and Jews whilst relying on those minorities to innovate scientifically and technologically. The Ottoman Empire, the only Islamic empire to be in anyway innovative, only became that innovative because it actually did not enforce Islam upon it's people to a large extent.

Since it connected much of the world and offered protection to traders, there was economic growth, thus, technological and scientific growth. This was completely based off the Jews and Christians among the Caliphate, since most mercantile activity was left to them. The small amount of Islamic innovation left comes from the Hindus, like Algebra

Plus, the Quran is extremely materialistic in a morale sense. It's obsessed with sex, with immense pedo undertones, Muslims are practically bestial when it comes to murder and how they treat Human life. They also don't have much respect for their enemies, they execute them in mass just as what happened to the Qurayza and Hindus in India, and let's face it, Muhammad was a paedophile.

So yeah, Islam, leave us alone. Stay in the desert, Europe is for Europeans, not Muslims.

Anyway, the real reason no one should be Muslim is because if the god of that religion were real: he is a evil, malevolent being who deserves not worship but hatred.

>Goat-fucking is literally so common in Islam it's become a meme
>Islamic countries have the highest rates of incest in the world
>Islamic countries have the highest rates of child brides and pedophilia activity
>Nearly every country it touches turns into a shithole
>"C-c-c-ome on guys, it will eliminate degeneracy, I swear!

Fuck off Muhammad

Really good points. Perhaps there can be a middle ground? Maybe Christianity can be reeled back in... what do you think of Orthodox christianity?

because we aren't inbred assholes who behead people for questioning our beliefs. because we don't really enjoy burying a woman up to her shoulders and pelting rocks at her face. because we don't want to ruin a child's like by fucking them

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Can you even explain exactly how women and gays are somehow going to destroy society?

There's nothing wrong with being trans, though. Thank you based Khamenei.

>Maybe Christianity can be reeled back in... what do you think of Orthodox christianity?
Christianity is a strange issue. For one, it's come to define European culture for over two thousand years, and actually was the primary fuel for our Golden Age during the Elizabethan Era and Renaissance. But on the other hand, meek and mild Jesus tends to mean we end up producing a very meek and mild population.

Christianity isn't European in nature, so concerns over National pride aren't taken into account. We're all children of God, according to Jesus, which is why Pope Francis and Merkel feel the need to kiss the feet of Muslims.

But our old Catholic institution, and later Christian expansion toward the north, merged our Pagan heritage with Christian theism, creating an incredibly warrior like culture and intense Conservatism among Christian people. Since normal European males naturally think like expansionist warriors, obviously the Catholic Church adopted this. But, the more oestrogen among our men means that Christianity will cease to exist, and people like the Pope are trying to appeal to Global Marxist nu-males by being Liberal as fuck.

I personally wish to see Christianity go away, preferably, and replaced with some kind Nationalist Paganism. But since that has no chance at rebirth, I'll take a rebirth of the Catholic Church and Deus Vulting the shit out of our enemies.

Women shouldn't be given political power, a large LGBT subversive movement destroys the family unit.

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The only thing the ottoman and Persians accomplished was mooching off the development that the Byzantines and Zoroatrians left behind
Pic related to the genocides the Turks committed during ww1