Can it really?

Can it really?

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we already have one

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well, it's certainly a model for becoming a shithole.

But we already are masters at that craft without dictatorships so...

This is why China has to be stopped at all costs, they are unfit to be global superpowers and leaders.

Yes

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Ofcourse, have you never seen the newest hollywood movies? China is always the hero.

In some aspects, yes, dem*Cracy is bs.

Democracy is a meme desu
I want Papa Chiang back

>this is why America must be stopped! They are unfit to be global superpowers and leaders, unlike us Europeans

Yes.

We follow in the Italian model of development alongside widespread corruption and powerful criminal organizations

China actually surpassed Brazil in PPP per capita and nominal per capita last year. So maybe it is time to change the model.

t. libtard

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no, authoritarian systems are random as fuck considering how old countries can get. one shitty succession can severely fuck up your country, look at china for example. democracy may not be the most efficient system but it's consistent and hard to completely fuck up.

you should go back there desu

I like the middle ages system. Not a dem*Cracy in which the future of the country is decided by the majority of the (retarded) population, but rather a monarchy balanced by strong regional nobles and by the Church.

>the future of the country is decided by the majority of the (retarded) population
This is the problem with democracy
Most people think they know what's best but don't

And they can literally erase Natural Law simply by the will of the majority. If the majority wants, I don't know, abolish private property or the return of the slaves, they can literally do it.

China has growing economy not because of him, but due to a system where the most fit out of the possible ones will be the leader after Mao and his son died
That is done by severe competition within ccp between factions and the fact that issuing shitty policies will only grant others to take the right to rule china
The problem is not about xi because he's competent, but after xi, whether the system will come up with competent guy leading china or not is important

Sure. I mean what even is democracy really? The right to have to deal with special interests that oppose you? Politics is a zero sum game. I want my side to win.

China will never be a soft power. They will have all this money and military power but no one will actually want to engage with them because their language is too difficult to learn and no one wants to consume their culture. The most they can ever hope for is a regional power in a multi-polar world because they are far too inward looking. I spent 4 years learning Mandarin and it was a bitch because the media the mainland produce is so awful. The only descent 'Chinese' media is HK films dubbed in putonghua(mandarin). South Korea is more culturally dominant than China even though China has x27 the population.

China’s last four leaders were amazing though. That’s 40 years of non-stop success.

Name another country with that many leaders who were successful and competent in a row.

You have to be great at politics to get into the Chinese leadership.

Usa

People said the same shit after Hu Jintao...

Xi is competent and will be around for a few more decades. By that point it’ll be impossible, short of nuclear war, to fuck things up badly.

I’d be more concerned if Xi retired in 2022 than not. It’s like kicking Lee Kuan-Yew or Park Chung-Hee out.

Why should they invest in their own international propagandists when they can just buy yours like they'd buy a harem of desperate whores? Not a single Hollywood blockbuster in the past 10 years has featured China or Chinese characters negatively because Hollywood is addicted to Chinese shekels.

and how was the leadership in the previous hundred years? 40 years is almost worthless compared to the history of civilization.

You being ignorant and incapable of finding great Chinese movies/plays is not reflective of China’s cultural power.

China’s a third world nation. When they get rich they’ll become like Korea and Japan.

Why do people keep assuming China should be like the USA? They are still poor as fuck and 42% rural.

Care to explain how Bush Jr. was anything but a total clusterfuck retard who left the nation worse off.

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Lol. China used to be hated so here. What happened, I stopped posting here since some time. Are strawboss and the sheikh still alive ?

The PRC system is not the RoC system.

Why do you people act like the Communist Party has anything to down with China in the 1800s? It didn’t fucking exist. It’s system was nonexistent.

Wut? I thought you were talking in general like what counties did have good leaders in any 40-60 years period. Because all our first presidents werw pretty good in general. Also the late 19th century early 20th century had great Presidents.

Straw left in 2016, Sheikh got IMPRISONED, and China is the only nation that is not a complete joke right now.

Does that answer you?

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Nah I meant what I wrote.

Either way, China will have a competent leader for the next 10-20 years, and that’ll be great for them.

In 2012 a neo-Maoist almost won the presidency. Xi hates neo-Maoists and thinks they are chaos.
Imagine a Maoist China right now...

Democracy is only successful so long as it takes root in a country with a long established Republican roots that also took decades to expand universal suffrage, and to which there’s no explicit rowdy region or people that roadblock shit all the time. If you simply take some authoritarian shithole and turn it democratic it’s going to degenerate again. Every successful democratic state took decades, if not a century or two, to establish a political structure and culture sufficient enough it to happen. Unless you have those in place, China’s meritocratic beucratic system is preferable if you’re a third world shithole and want to bring your country up to track economically speaking.

Eww fuck off. China is disgusting. Used to have a good copy pasta about chinks but I lost it. And how is that news article anything good? Also lol at the sheikh.

the country 'China' has existed for thousands of years enduring many different types of government. sure, you can say 'this authoritarian government is different from the last' that's fine. but the matter of fact is that when it comes to China and authoritarian systems, it usually ends in fucking disaster. because authoritarian systems are fucking random as fuck. all it takes is one fucking retard with no term limits and absolute power to completely destabilize their own country. America, for all it's incompetence, has had relatively stability for hundreds of years thanks to democratic traditions that limit the number of retards that can completely fuck up the country. the drawback being is that they are not as efficient at governing.

Dem*Cracy slowly kills every country, as we can see jhappening in the United States (soon you guys will become a one party rule, the Democratic). There is no dem*Cracy that succeeds for long. Even Rome became full Empire.

Why can't we have this instead?

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They can buy cheap spots in films like that Chinese scientist in that King Kong movie, but audiences sniff that stuff out pretty fast. Also those characters will never be truly interesting because the guidelines for such appearances are tightly controlled.

India produces better films than China an it's even more of a shit hole.

Look, if you do realize, it's not about factions now, and it's about xi
And when does xi die? Who gets to be the next leader? Will he be praising xi and continuing his work or deny him and talk shit about him? Will the next leader be obedient when xi is alive but want to get his own dynasty started?
All of those will be answered and went through well if it was the system before xi, but not now

I'm still here, but no one listens. ;_;

>muh disgusting

Whatever. You’re irrational.

Modern China has very little to do with Imperial China. The mere assetion that it does labels you as ignorant.

It’s up to you to explain why MODERN China is doomed for collapse and destruction just because they have an authoritarian system. What explains the last 40 years of vastly better performance than their developing nation peers?

Every year China surpasses another nation that was richer than it in 1978.

>India produces better films than China an it's even more of a shit hole.
[Citations needed]

Just because the movie is in English does not make it good.

Why? Why exactly?

You do know that Deng did exactly what Xi is doing?

Deng purged his predecessors, rewrote the constitution, formed three new offices for himself, purged two liberal leaders, ordered the Tiananmen massacre, installed Jiang Zemin, and appointed Hu Jintao.

What exactly is the system? Deng’s diktats WERE the system. Nothing else.

Jiang hated Hu. Yet Hu became the leader. Why? Because Deng dictated that.

Nowhere was there some internal party consensus. It was Deng’s dictatorship.

99% of Indian movies are made in Indian languages

modern China and Imperial China are the same entity, one is merely the successor state to the previous. the people are the same, the borders, the culture, the idea's, the history.

a wee bit defensive aren't we? I can't explain to you why modern china is doomed to collapse, it may or may not. I can't see the future. what i can say is that an authoritarians systems greatest flaw is the fact that it is random. one bad leader with absolute power and severely destabilize the country as it has been shown with china historically.

great, last 40 years have been good for china, a succession of competent leaders has spurred historical growth. that's good for them. what i fear for them is that when Xi dies, who replaces him? will he be as competent or incompetent? it's a dice roll. consider how long a country exists for, thousands of years. 40 year's is nothing. what do you think the odds are of a competent to incompetent leader are? 10-1? you're going to get one eventually with an authoritarian system.

>Just because the movie is in English does not make it good.

This is a patently dumb statement and an erroneous interpretation of my previous comment. I'm not engaging with you any longer because you clearly can't even grasp the issue at hand and you are probably a Chinese shill.

>hurr durr GDP/GDP per capita correlates with having lucrative film industry

Yeah those wealthy Gulf Arab nations sure know how to make films

NO FUCK YOUR SIMPLIFIED THERE H ASN'T BEEN A REAL CHINESE DYNASTY SINCE THE MING. THE CULTURAL REVOLUTION WAS 1000X WORSE THAN HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF MANCHU RULE YOU STUPID FUCK

This.

wut.

Carter - THE WORST
Reagan - bad
Bush - bad
Clinton - bad
Junior - bad
Obama - bad

Really?

>Jiang hated hu
>Deng's dictatorship
>Dead guy continues to rule ccp

Yeah I guess Mao is there lying in coffin giving out orders that's better explanation desu senpai

What deng did is out of fear of those libtards getting some democracy leading china into huge mess like democratic Arabian cunts now, and jiang is just too good of a person to uninstall democracy and fa lunggong at the same time

Hu is literally acting like a puppet to jiang mainly because he was something close to a general back in the days and that lead jiang to be okay with hu getting power (and yes that backfired into hu being a dick and demolish jiang forces in the end that ended up xi being the leader instead of lee)

Even if you're an emperor, there needs to be having some sort of consensus, and that is the reason why xi actually tried to join forces with jiang recently because he won't be changing the Constitution without jiang faction

Board culture changes, wh*Teboy

The question is: Can democracy even last? People seem to be happy to vote in despots and France is on their 5th republic now.

I hope so

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Umm, all the ones I can think of are in english.

The US isn’t a full democracy. It’s a shitty mixed oligarchy that has low voter turn out because people are apathetic to politics unless you peddle conspiracy theories to them and scare them to voting for the opposite party. There needs to be electoral reforms done to ensure it becomes a full democracy

Also, don’t believe the ‘Democratic Party will dominant in the future because of non-whites’ meme. That’s just a false projection by anxious racialist On the right in regards to immigration and neoliberals in the Democratic Party who think they don’t have to change their views. The Republican Party will eventually shift their views before they start losing bigly. Both parties work for corporate interest, but the Republican one is far more corporate driven and will shift its views just so that corporate power will still have a somewhat say in politics. They won’t go down as a ship on uncompromising white nationalism. Plus, the Amerimutt meme is true, and most Hispanics (the largest growing demographic) statistically start identifying themselves as whites by the third generation.

Xi will be around into the 2040s. He also installed a well-regarded vice president who will take power if anything happens.

So, competence for 70+ years.

That’s way fucking better than elsewhere.

By the way, how can you assert that democracies do not have horrible leaders who fuck up the entire country? Did you see Argentina under Peronists? Kirchners? Brazil under Lula-Dilma?

Oh, and Nehru in India.

India has no term limits, so their democratic leaders continue to fuck everything up forever.

The assumption that democracies are less likely to have horrible leaders is simply inaccurate. Populists are great at getting elected and reelected. Yet they are horrible for the nation in the long-term.

Watch Trump get reelected and drive this nation deeper into the dirt.

chinks are the new capitalists. they value money over any morals.

The idea is that democracies are less likely to have horrible leaders given a
>politically aware and active population

Even the Roman Republic which everyone wants to jack off to had a tribune of the plebs to ensure that the lower classes has a voice that couldn't just be suppressed by the elites.

The plebs however are the same stupid chucklefucks that decided that was not enough and lined up behind old Jules the dictator.

Great job dumbasses, you deserve the bread and circus as the republic falls around you.

I think democracy stops working after a certain population threshold anyway. Clearly it's not working in America anymore

what's replacing it

I for one welcome the coming Xi Dynasty

Not him but I think people usually vote quite rationally if their economic conditions are secure. And it's usually the elite's fault when it isn't. Just keep the masses happy and things will chug along just fine.

They allow that which has taken place to continue to take place. Consequently your assertion is false and your opinion is dismissable, economic growth notwithstanding.

They also had term limits in those 40 years

No they can't.