When did the right wing become the bastion of free speech, it historically has always been the democratic left against a largely right wing, and somewhat authoritarian majority, it has only been recently, past 10-20 years or so that all of a sudden, its the right wing pushing for free speech, is it because the right is no longer in power, and they need some claim to relevance and therefore the free speech thing this is them trying to push back into mainstream.
I bring this up as i am a lefty, Classical liberal, alt left, you know, how the left wing was before the SJW shit, the right wing has historically been the SJW, censoring, and punishing those who dare to think differently, cant have any of that commie think, gotta get you shunned by society for advocating for commie unions, and keeping hard working people in the job, let the immigrants take these jobs at a lower pay, because fuck unions, they are for commies.
When it all comes right back at you, suddenly you are the good guys, and you are nothing like those evil, religious right wing nutjobs, and free speech is something you care for now?
Fucking hell, you finally looked in the mirror, but your too dumb to realize its you on the other side.
i think your classic concept of the right wing is rooted in monarchy rule.
Easton Gray
even though you are clearly a faggot, i ask myself the same question
Eli Myers
the left are the type of people that would've been Loyalist Brits during the American Revolution
they aren't revolutionaries, they're agents for the status quo.
Nolan Mitchell
it isn't, you guys are just looking for the right to squash types of speech you disagree with
if anything the recent shift in SJW tactics over the last few years has been them adapting right wing tactics
Joshua Lewis
No im also talking McCarthyism, and the commie bashing, and fear mongering they used to keep in power and censor that is still done to a extent today, but not as widely as it was during the cold war.
I actually hadn't taken monarchism into account for the most part.
Jacob Robinson
The right has always been about less government. Less government means more freedom. Being left wing is the opposite of free speech.
Juan Lewis
>looking for the right to squash types of speech you disagree with
are we?
Sup Forums is a free speech zone, we only complain when corporations are paid millions to come and shill here, muddying "free speech" with a bunch of retarded white noise.
we want to stop the blatant lying and disinformation that the leftist media produces, whats wrong with that? its false, we should do everything in our power to crush liars.
Grayson Allen
>When did the right wing become the bastion of free speech When people with autism who read Breitbart and listen to talk radio decided to redefine "free speech" from it's original meaning of "there can be no legal repercussions for what you say, so long as you don't do something akin to inciting to riot," into "I can say whatever I want, whenever I want, and no matter how inappropriate, inaccurate, or hateful it is, there can never be any social repercussions, and everybody has to pretend like what I said was normal and sane."
Carter Bell
In the years after 9/11, the left got really pissed about Bush and the wars and moved further to the left. Then they had about a decade of complete control.
This allowed feminism and cultural-marxism to start doing the social policing, so free speech was in their way, unlike the past when "conservative, family values" was the dominate culture and free speech protected them.
Angel Jones
the left would literally go to national socialist rallies and scream and attack them so they couldn't speak. nothing has changed. they are violent and oppressive people
Mason Nguyen
>mfw in 40 years the right will be seen as the minority party fighting an oppressive left syndicate
Gavin Robinson
well wasn't there a reason for the commie bashing?
>absolutely subversive
Cooper Reyes
Except we're not pushing for a bunch of butt-fuckers, wellfare monkeys, and illegal drug donkeys.
Go eat one of those cocks you love so much.
Eli Flores
But it hasn't its been historically about keeping them in your grasps, Libertarians are about less government, right wingers have always wanted to spy, watch, to keep the dirty un-american un-patriotic ones out, and to re-educate them the "traditional american way"
I have a feeling you were not born before the 80s and never saw the full extent of this side, the right wing has always been about social control, where as Libertarians are about less government.
Brandon Roberts
McCarthyism was a response to the fact that you were blacklisted unless you were a member of the Communist Party.
Jacob Gutierrez
Mccarthy ended being right tho.
Isaiah Cook
That crap is what this idiot subculture, and its prototype in old-men-listening-to-talk-radio have genuinely believed since the 90's
Jacob Moore
Republican Censoring >oh no someone was trying to keep society together.
Democrat censoring
>SHUT UP RACIST Yes! BURN society BURN
Shut the fuck up.
Brandon Miller
yOU DO KNOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE ONE THAT FREED THE SLAVES RIGHT?
Liam Russell
>right wingers have always wanted to spy, watch, to keep the dirty un-american un-patriotic ones out, and to re-educate them the "traditional american way
Think about it, doesn't that sound a lot like the left right now though?
Liam Myers
ALSO MCCARTHY WAS 100% CORRECT ABOUT THE SOVIET AGENTS
WAY TO SHOW YOUR LACK OF EDUCATION HILL-BILLY
Cameron Brooks
>left and right scale >national socialists are somehow just barely behind anarchism
Why do people still believe this?
Fascism is a leftist ideology.
It takes true geniuses to somehow fuck up a scale going from more to less government, and oy vey, they found that way.
Hunter Reed
Yes, it does sound like the regressive left, and it something that pisses me off, throwing out what the left stood for in my childhood to feel "Safe and secure"
Its a embarrassment to what the left was.
Jordan Perry
>When did the right wing become the bastion of free speech, it historically has always been the democratic left against a largely right wing, and somewhat authoritarian majority,
because the left wing got into power and became the authority.
in the 80's and 90's, we were still largely a conservative country. sure bill was democrat, but he might as well be a conservative, and congress was.
so you had the religious right railing against videogames and how DOOM would make you shoot up schools, while the minority left would say "yo chill out man, its just videogames, freedom of speech"
then the left got into full power and ideological power, and THEY started railing against the same things for different reasons. (instead of DOOM being a satanic game that makes you shoot people, it's now sexist and makes men rape women) And so the right are now the ones defending free speech and shit like that.
Dominic Moore
>it historically has always been the democratic left against a largely right wing
Jaxson Collins
Funny, Fascism has its basis on corporatism, and traditionalism, Natsocs are very similar, the key is social control.
Fascists and natsocs believed you could control society through manipulation of culture, Nazi propaganda tactics are very similar to the ones used during the second red scare, and eerily mimic right wing McCarthyism.
Right wing was never about less government, its about social manipulation.
Parker White
the left - right dichotomy is based on a scale of more to less government. That's all it is.
The leftists regressed further left and the neoconservatives stopped the Republicans from being the counterpoint. Shit is all fucked up.
Samuel Bell
>Democrats claim to be peaceful >Democrats claim to be compassionate >Democrats claim to be against war >Democrats claim to support Islam
And yet the person they support is a psychopathic maniac killer
Hillary Clinton calls blacks "super predators" and says they "must be brought to heel."
Hillary Clinton praises Robert Byrd, former recruiter for the KKK.
Hillary Clinton praises Margaret Sanger, a woman who said minorities must be exterminated like weeds.
Hillary Clinton praises Margaret Sanger, a woman who led a quiet campaign of genocide against minorities using abortion.
Aiden Sanchez
Use the compass, the left right thing is bullshit
Noah Carter
The answer is simple America pushed by the left has reached such a level of degeneracy they're trying to justify it by it being the "morally" right option therefor trying to shut out all other opinions EXACTLY like the right has done wth Christianity and capitalism, now the shoe is on the other foot and the opposite of these values rains supreme in America.
Ian Taylor
I see no difference between these two except that you did a poor job at defending your partisan prejudice
>hateful >implying this term can't be molded against the politcal flavor of the day you are no champion of free-speech Carl
Camden Campbell
>we in the left are smarter than you >we need big government to control every aspect of your life >you cant be trusted to think for yourself
The active left side of politics are have taken hold as educators - going direct to public service, those that cant do, teach etc.
Universities have been filled with left leaning idealists who have never had to face the realities of the world - or who had bad experiences and didnt feel they fit in.
Left thinking is - you guys in the workforce are jaded by your simplistic experiences and generalise based on your limited experience making you less knowledgeable than us
It is the superiority complex and impractical idealism that makes the left think they need to control everything.
Jaxson Diaz
Controlling those aspects means more government, pushing them left.
You add more government, and it scales left. Being pretty much a command economy like modern China with large government owned corporations didn't help to bring it right either.
It's a 1 dimensional scale. The dichotomy is based upon it, but people are fucking idiots. The parties barely resemble this anymore. It comes from the historical parties, where the right Republicans were the progressives always.
I appreciate your shit posting attempt, as you're not Canada, but this is terrible. Don't bait actual responses to the thread. You're just supposed to be the gas for the flame.
Adrian Gonzalez
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect. Major components of the anti-free speech are sexual and racial. Feminism and BLM are the loudest leftist movements right now, simply because sites like gawker, salon, and buzzfeed syndicate them. It's really unfortunate, but it's not BECAUSE they are leftist, it's because they are fucking retarded.
Notice how every single feminist and BLM blogger that talks about 'platforms', 'privilege', and 'racism/sexism', are all rich, entitled, university students. This is a social and educational issue, not simply a political one.
Julian Taylor
Right is not synonymous with Libertarian, Libertarians are a separated ideology, you can be libertarian left or right, you can be Authoritarian left or right.
Oliver Smith
You can be under any banner for free speech, no one owns it, though society at every level may judge it and give its own consequences, the laws protecting it intends to be a defence against dogma of any kind taking absolute hold.
Many conservative thinkers throughout time were censored by other conservatives - it wasn't always opposite sides fighting of the spectrum fighting over ideas expressed. Many still wanted free speech and free journalism always.
The politically correct speech of today is looking to sneakily expand hate speech and achieve their dogmatic supremacy, the main issue is where we go from speech protected by law to speech restricted by law.
Ian Robinson
>social and education issue >not political Are you fucking retarded? They are LITERALLY the same thing.
Christian Jenkins
You got it backwards. libertarianism is about less government policy on a social aspect. Being right wing is having less government control on the economy.
The right wing platform in the 80's were more authoritarian and the left wing platform was more for social freedoms, or libertarianism.
Nowadays it seems the social aspects of the left and right have totally changed. Now the right side generally wants more social freedoms while the left side is generally pushing for total control on our social values.
Juan Lewis
The compass is just as bad, if not worse.
That's secondary to the fact that everyone keeps using the 1 dimensional scale with no clue why. They sometimes try to add info on the 1d scale just to shoehorn fascisticanarchism like it's real.
Just call them by the name of the parties like the Brits do it. We've been calling the 2 parties here left and right for a while and people can't distinguish anything else.
They could look it up but that sucks. It's an easy way to generalize the politics of any nation.
Jose Long
LEFT WING USE LIE TO KILL PPL RIGHT WING USE TRUE!
Jason Ross
The assumption that Libertarians are Republican holds true in America, because American Libertarians are all the annoying, "Don't tread on me", capitalistic, drooling window-licker types.
Jack Hall
Cambodia, are you fucking retarded?
Jaxson Gray
>using the meme compass
How embarrassing.
Juan Morales
More like garbage speech
Asher Lee
Maybe not backwards, but confusing libertarianism with right wing politics
Juan Martinez
I'm pretty sure I said 'not SIMPLY political', thereby implying I agree it is political to some degree.
You can accuse me of being redundant, but that's not what you did, you misquoted me. Holy shit you're dense.
Bentley Green
Very few people actually care about free speech.
the way it works is, the people who have power try to silence their enemies, and so their enemies become "free speech advocate"
if the roles were reversed, Sup Forums would be trying to shut down "race mixing propaganda" and communist newspapers just the same.
Zachary Phillips
>alt-left
sorry, no such thing, try again bud
Eli Sullivan
Sorry Cambodia, you have to have a leaf license to shitpost like that.
David Powell
>I can post something someone somewhere said >it is therefore correct
The reasoning is flawed. You're a moron. If dirty filthy hippies collectively shared all the wealth, they wouldn't be dirty hippies anymore.
Jeremiah Russell
1d scale. Closer vs farther away from hive mind on the left to anarchism on the right.
It's just the way the scale works, not my fault.
Also, do you lads think things have gotten a bit screwy since the anarchist movements completely died out before world War 2?
It's basically modern liberal and modern neoconservative at this point. There used to be a huge faction of extremist belief in freedom. I'm sad that it died out entirely.
We're so used to those extremists that wish to control, monitor, and censor opinions, while not even 100 years ago there were people bombing and fighting for absolute freedom.
Kevin Johnson
Your picture should say, "Trillions for the ridiculously inflated American military, pennies for the hungry."
Oliver Jones
>you did a poor job at defending your partisan prejudice I made no attempt. Left and proud.
>I see no difference between these two Even IF we remove the emotionally charged words and obvious bias, the difference is >Democrat Free Speech "You can say anything you want. There can be no legal repdocussions. However, people might stop talking to you, chose to not hire you, shame, you, or otherwise enact their own right to free speech to voice their disaproval. Similarly private entities have the right to moderate their own forums and comments section the way they want. Anything further would violate the first amendment.
>Republican "free speech." "In addition to no legal reprocussions, nobody else's first amendment right to disapprove of, reprimand, shame, or stop associating with me, must be restricted in order for my first amendment right to be protected. SImilarly, any organization, even privately owned ones, are obligated to use their resources to give me a platform, even if I haven't payed them anything to do so."
Do you see the difference now? People exercising their first amendment right to call you an asshole for what you say is not a violation of your first amendment rights, and private organizations moderating their own forums/comments-section etc... is not censorship.
Wrong. Pretty much every news media outlet that isn't completely SJW is Right-Wing.
Name a media source that hasn't criticized our Democratic President for things he clearly HASN'T done.
It's a shame so many Americans buy into this notion that media is a leftist majority.
Gavin Perry
>it's another non-American tries to define American politics against a backdrop of non-American politics episode
Your political definitions do not match our political definitions, due to our two party system what each party stands for is subject to massive changes except in some very specific social issue areas (gays, guns, immigrants). The basic idea is thus, Republicans for the most part want to stop progress towards what they view as a horrible dystopia future and are generally for the strict adherence to the constitution hence the Republican name. Democrats view the current state as dystopia and want to bring about change, they also favor a more democratic approach (majority rule) to legislation thus their name. Recently it has come to the Republicans advocating for personal liberty as a way to regress back to the times they view as better. This is a reaction to the nanny state the Democrats are trying to set up because the butthurt masses have made a call for censorship in the name of safety.
Dominic Jackson
because they are.
the only "right wing" news source in America is Fox, and that's only "right wing" to fill a market void. It's owned and operated by leftists.
Lincoln Mitchell
The joke is that the mother is morbidly obese.
You are dense.
Elijah Collins
>That didn't use charged language at all against the left
I can now safely dismiss you as a Republican nutjob. Thank you for not wasting my time, hiding your horribly skewed worldview from sight.
David Hall
You're thinking of classic liberalism. The classic definition means "more of"
as in more freedom, more money, more opportunity, more power in the hands of the individual.
Josiah Anderson
>things he clearly hasn't done
Jose Harris
Yeah....that doesn't make me dense. Black women are both disproportionately poor, and disproportionately fat compared to all other races, the two are not mutually exclusive. McDonald's and lack of an Iodine-rich diet tend to make one fat.
Nolan Lopez
it's tongue in cheek you fucking retard, because it will never actually happen
>left libshits are THIS dumb
Blake Stewart
>loaded question about how great the right is >300 replies
Caleb Gonzalez
Fuck you're stupid
Is this what it's like to be an idiot who discovers politics?
Blake James
the mainstream left and right have more in common with each other than average americans.
Understand that and you will understand policy from civil war on.
Christopher Russell
Yeah, no, I don't believe that for a second. Since when are Republican Libertarians capable of tongue-in-cheek rhetoric? Everything is almost always an offense to their 1st or 2nd amendment.
Brayden Harris
What the fuck are you talking about?
As Trump says, freedom of speech is "foolish".
Blake Lewis
Classical liberalism is right wing here in my continent m8
Cameron Sanchez
>a bloo bloo bloo someone has a partial view of politics
Cry about it faggot, the examples are sound I disagree with the left. Care to point out the flaw or just hide under "I dismiss u cuz u dun disagree wiff me!" The right likes where the country was in the past. The left is unhappy with how it is now because it wants a different government. Both sides have their view points and they are equally valid to those that hold them. The right is championing free speech now because the butthurt masses that make up the Democrat constituents don't like being called mean names. None of that matters though because this was clearly an attempt to clear up the OP's confusion as to the current status of our political parties not an attempt to argue with some fag got who got a hair up his assistant about his political ideology getting disagreed with on the internet.
TLDR: American political parties are much less rigid then other countries parties except in key social issue areas left wants change and democratic rule, right wants to stay where it is and follow the rules of law. Fuck you and fuck your lefty leanings you parasite.
Oliver Moore
>he's still going
Chase Martinez
It must eat you alive; the ability of another human on the internet to completely disregard your feelings with a few key presses.
That about sums up free speech as far as Republicans are concerned.
>This person didn't provide me a platform, or recognize my genius, so I'm being oppressed
This is it? This is Trump's army? Go fuck yourself.
Leo Cruz
Freedom of speech for the media is damn foolish but the problem is what do you hold them accountable to?
It's easy to say the truth, but who's truth? The democrat who replaces Trump in 2024?
Oliver Reed
The left/right dynamic within America is all fucked up. The left and right both believe they have the moral high-ground on certain issues, and both support restricting personal freedoms on that basis.
I genuinely wish the left would fuck off forever with their white guilt/-isms agenda and I wish the right would quit shoving their psuedo-Christian morality and state sponsored surveillance down my throat. I think part of the issue nowadays is that the right feels the need to define itself as being anti-anything the left says, even if it's a potentially decent idea. Within the system itself, there is actually quite a bit of compromise, but it tends to manifest itself in the form of "we'll compromise so that both of our pockets can be lined, fuck the people we represent."
I am honestly surprised their isn't a rogue 3rd party that combines the best of the left and the right into one platform, but, at the same time, I'm not all that surprised. The system itself is heavily stacked in the favor of the 2 party dynamic and the American people don't care enough to do anything about it.
Daniel Brown
You're conflating the entire "alt-right" with an extreme. Strawman. There are extremes on both sides.
Some leftists think there should be actual legal repercussions for speech, and already falsely accuse others of harassment/assault, racism, etc. to make it happen.
Josiah Russell
>Some leftists think there should be actual legal repercussions for speech
I can name a few easy ones!
>Inciting violence should be met with Jail time
>False rape accusations (leading to a criminal investigation and discovery of perjury by the witness) should be met with house arrest/jail time
>Threatening another person with harm or death
This is not free speech. Do you disagree?
Gabriel Brown
>so you had the religious right railing against videogames and how DOOM would make you shoot up schools, while the minority left would say "yo chill out man, its just videogames, freedom of speech"
eh, if you look back to the 80s, the left had their fear mongering and scape goat tactics as well. They would use racist slurs against whites ("rednecks") and highlight/talk about klan violence to create white guilt and try to link republican whites with klan activities when it was actually dying out white southern dems that were mostly with the klan. They would also completely ignore the black crime rates and violence while doing this. Basically the same type of stuff they are doing today. They just weren't in power while doing this.
IMO, they weren't taken seriously because the facts didn't back them up back then like they still don't back them up today. The only difference is the modern media of entertainment and news bought into this lie and covers for them now when they didn't used to. It's the modern culture that "looks the other way" and ignores facts and calls facts and statistics "racist/sexists/etc." The news media and entertainment media provides cover for the left today like they never used to.
but maybe I'm just biased. idk.
Daniel Moore
Redneck is a racist term? LOL
Alright. That's enough autism for me tonight. Goodnight Sup Forums
Brody James
Good examples. Of course not. What about false accusations and/or exaggerations of racism/sexism/etcphobia? This can lead to the shame, reprimanding, turning down jobs, and even death threats or incitement to violence
Jace Adams
how is it now a racist term? it refers to a person's skin color and their social class in a negative light.
>Inciting violence should be met with Jail time >False rape accusations (leading to a criminal investigation and discovery of perjury by the witness) should be met with house arrest/jail time
Neither of these are examples of free speech. Just general fuckery.. both are punishable regardless of speech
...
>Threatening another person with harm or death
No - you should be able to do these, people frequently do, anger is a part of life - some people deserve to be threatened. the more i think about it the more i feel like this is a dumb bait. Carrying through with it is the nono
Isaiah Morris
Your third example is a bit lacking. A threat, in and of itself, is rarely taken seriously unless there is evidence indicating that you are capable and intend to follow through with your threat. "I'll fucking kill you asshole," when said by a drunk man, is not half as worthy of notice as the same thing said by a man with a knife in his hands. Your first two examples provide assumed malicious intent and an action, while the third, without the necessary context, provides intent, at best.
I have not been following your conversation, I just think you should make sure your examples are airtight.
Nathan Fisher
>You're conflating the entire "alt-right" with an extreme. >Implying what the collection of extreme-right subcultures that has become known as alt-right is anywhere but the fringe right.
Nigga, please.
Carter Miller
*how is it not
Nicholas Myers
>It's a shame so many Americans buy into this notion that media is a leftist majority. Gee I wonder why people believe that.
Jason Thomas
>I bring this up as i am a lefty, Classical liberal, alt left, you know, how the left wing was before the SJW shit,
Sure mate.
I bet you cower and say "n-no no no!" the moment they stand over you and all you an "ist" for something.
We get it, you fucked your own movement and now there's more cancer than patient, don't play fox and the grapes with us and say we're the problem.
Dominic White
False accusations, yeah if it's accusations of illegal behavior, that should be illegal. If it's of false accusations of legal behavior then the accuser is just a big Cunt.
Being a racist/sexist shouldn't be illegal and anyone who insists on it should kindly BTFO.
Anthony Allen
>This can lead to the shame, reprimanding, turning down jobs That is a natural consequence of breaking social norms and being uncouth. That is not a conspiracy, but society functioning as intended. >and even death threats or incitement to violence In those rare cases, the law should, and does, get involved.
>Threatening another person with harm or death >No - you should be able to do these, people frequently do, anger is a part of life But death threats are not. Learning socially acceptable outlets for your anger is an important part of managing your autism. I genuinely suggest anger management.
Luis Richardson
Threats of violence is assault by the letter of the law if the threats are credible enough.
Angel Robinson
As a right wing shitlord I claim to support free speech whenever it's tactically convenient. if it stops modern leftist insanity I'll do a lot of things for tactical convenience.
William Gray
I believe the communists pushed the "free speech" button whenever they were pointed out at criticized.
Now that socialists and progressives control the narrative they don't feel the need to be consistent, since right-wing groups now expresses dissonance against the mainstream.
it was merely a tool to get their foot in the door and they've discarded it after it served it's purpose, on the pretense that anything against their ideals are violent and racist, not free speech.
that's just my theory, though.
Owen Long
because you bought into another bullshit media story concocted by a bunch of phonies who wanted your pageviews and adbux?
Ryder Cox
Redneck is in-fact not a racist term. It was originally a classist term, used by land-owning southern gentry to differentiate themselves from the working poor whites, who they saw as barely above their slaves in social status (and with the company store method, functionally above their slaves only in how much you could whip them.)
Redneck is a CLASSIST term, not a racist one. It refers to poor, classless whites.
SImilarly "cracker" is also a classist term used by the gentry to refer to the working whites, as it was short for "whip-cracker," who was generally below even the "house niggas" in status, because even the house-nigga was allowed in the house.... the redneck peckerwood cracker..... he had a shack out back where it didn't obstruct the view.
Anthony Reed
I would tend to agree with this. I don't think the right and the left approached free speech equally. It seemed in the past when the right was in power during the 80s, they were more accepting of the left's right to protest than the left of today are of the right's right to protest. However, I don't know if the left are even cognoscente of this or not. I don't know if it's them having some "vast conspiracy." Being little turds just comes natural to them.
Sebastian Lopez
My understanding is that's the republican stance on free speech as well. There are nuts who think what you thought they think but it's the vocal minority.
I'm stupid. I meant the entire right with the "alt-right"
>>This can lead to the shame, reprimanding, turning down jobs That is a natural consequence of breaking social norms and being uncouth. That is not a conspiracy, but society functioning as intended. Specifically false accusations.
Oliver Stewart
>it's a conspiracy that the majority of college graduated liberal art and journo majors are leftists and write articles according to their beliefs
Camden Scott
>Classical liberals >Left Are you calling people like the Founding Fathers or Ron Paul, leftist? You are not a classical liberal, you sound more like a New Left 1960;s type Hippie
Caleb Morris
>I don't know if it's them having some "vast conspiracy." Being little turds just comes natural to them. I don't think it's a conspiracy, just tactics to remain in power without opposition. They probably actually believe if right-wingers get their way, we'd all be in bible boot camps and blacks would be picking cotton again.
