Would european countries be better off without the EU?
Would european countries be better off without the EU?
Wyatt Turner
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Jonathan Watson
Obviously. Because the EU is a failure by design. National politicians didnt trust the EU enough, so they keep involved in everything, making the EU inefficient. And the people only know and follow their national politicians, because they cant vote for others. So the EU consists for 95% out of strangers. And the project grew so fast with new countries added to it that everything is institutionalized.
Joseph Murphy
if that was the case, how comes they don't leave the EU?
Jordan Bailey
most infrastructure projects here have been made with EU funding so...
Kevin Edwards
I think turning the EU into a proper federal direct democracy would save it.
But as they cant even fulfill the responsibilities they have now I dont feel like trying it out. Because what if they dont change?
Colton Watson
because you get fucked over for leaving. It's like trying to take away the alcohol from an abusive father, he will only beat you harder.
Thomas Sanchez
You get money from other countries?
Mason Moore
Is the Euro backed by gold?
Jack Edwards
Rich countries would be better off
They send our money to poor countries and at the same time allow their citizen to freely travel to our countries. Some gypsy from Romania can come up here, get education paid by taxpayers and then travel back to Romania as soon he graduates
Michael Bailey
so OPs question can be answered with "no", do we agree on that?
James Robinson
Adam Ward
>gypsy
>getting education
Owen Turner
based polska
Owen Fisher
You're getting fucked by 5 million euros
Owen Smith
>million
aw fuck, BILLION
Bentley Phillips
Wrong. Elevating the poor countries will create a larger demand, which suits us nicely because we produce far more than we can consume.
Ethan Brooks
how was the situtation of your european country before the eu?
Tyler Cox
>croats
>$€0,-
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Noah Torres
>because you get fucked over for leaving
No you don't. Britain's just shifting blame, like when they blamed the EU for "forcing" them to accept 1 million Pakis.
Dylan Carter
>the EU
>the
"The union" is an ordered mess because we are too different (economic and social grounds). Members can't be pressured towards unification (except by perhaps foreign threat like USA and Russia).
The bigger market serves its point, it's good for the people in socialist countries, tax evasion is good for the rich. It's impossible to answer, some are satisfied with the promises of riches.
EU is an hydra.
Benjamin Gonzalez
Two speed Europe is the solution
Jackson Scott
yes
Lucas Smith
>Germany
This is misleading as fuck though.
Germany is a net exporter. So it gets all its money back 10fold.
Luke Gray
but in return, you get German goods
Noah Gutierrez
Stingeytugal
Noah Morgan
That's very complicated because different countries fulfill different goals and needs through EU.
These goals and needs would have to be satisfied even without EU unless the political relationships were also completely changed.
If there was no EU something similar if perhaps less organized would be in it's place.
Sebastian Phillips
Yes. It might be the better option but burning through nutrients in the fields to export and make some quick bucks is catastrophic seen in a bigger perspective. Fields need to rest and get overgrown with forests occasional. Who should starve then?
Owen Brown
Jackson Bailey
"The last harvest" describes how intensive farming affects the nutritional content and the fields. EU is good for globalists playing for the quick wins but not for the people who later have to stay on spent soil.
This fixation with fluid capital isn't doing Europe any good. It draws people, increasing pressure on the land and makes it worthless and us dependant on imports.
Spend the fucking EU cash on something that lasts!