History will eventually recognize the so-called "alt-right" as the synthesis of natsoc and ancap. On the surface this may seem absurd but serves as an explanation as to why the alt right is so notoriously difficult to articulate and label. It is also an explanation as to how Sup Forums evolved from a libertarian leaning board to what it is today. We are experiencing in real time the synthesis of previously incompatible ideas.
Both ancap and natsoc have been largely vindicated in recent years. Ancap by the financial meltdown and the subsequent utter disfunction of governments around the world since. Natsoc more recently by the societal collapse and decadence brought on by cultural marxism and multiculturalism in the west. Despite this, neither have ever been properly refuted. Instead they have been slandered, misrepresented and shoved out of the window of discourse by the powers that be.
Natsoc and ancap are the only two truly taboo ideologies. This is no coincidence. Natsoc and Ancap share the same ultimate enemy. It is the same ultimate enemy of the alt right. In a word, globalism.
The world has steadily marched toward globalism, largely unchallenged. Opposition has been systematically silenced and destroyed. But the unforeseeable invention of the internet has thrown a wrench into the globalist agenda. No longer can information be controlled and the old way of things will inevitably come crashing down. Like the printing press defeated the Vatican's control of Europe, the internet will defeat the globalist control of the world.
Once properly articulated, Natsoc x Ancap will be the ultimate red pill. It is the first political theory that is not created by the elites of society but instead is spontaneously emerging from the unprecedented and incomprehensible world wide flow of information made possible by the internet.
Matthew Anderson
alt right is a label, it's just like "anonymous".
Soros picks it up and you idiots run with it because you don't realise you are chanting soro's diefication's name: Kek, the god of chaos.
Soro's is becoming the god of chaos. You are braindead idiots.
Andrew Davis
Sup Forums's Sup Forums is comprised mainly of 14 year old spastics pretending to be racist. You give this place far too much credit.
William Perry
"Alt right" is an absurd catch all term. It's so vague that it's meaningless. But there undeniably is a counterculture political movement happening. The term alt right is currently used to describe it because nobody is really quite sure where all this is going. My argument is that natsoc x ancap is what the alt right is actually stumbling upon.
Jack Miller
>On the surface this may seem absurd it's more than just the surface senpai
Juan Turner
>Synthesis of Nazis and anarchists Proof alt-right is just as dumb as the SJWs
Carson Brown
But for some reason it's having an effect on the real world. Fucking Sup Forums memes are being used and referenced by real world political figure and commentators. This is really bizzare when you think about it.
And the "alt right" isn't just Sup Forums. It's just that this is the place where all the different alt right esque ideas melt together most freely
Nathan Carter
>History >He thinks the elites will just handover the power to Trump who will potential come after them
Hillary will win. She will write history from her administration. Meanwhile the internet will be heavily regulated. Sup Forums will be forgotten like tears in the rain.
Angel Nguyen
Isn't Soros about to take over the world wide web as well?
Jaxon Wright
how can an ideology that is anarchist mesh well with one that is led by a totalitarian government not saying i dont agree with the two ideologies, i just dont see it
Jason Davis
>implying trump isn't part of the elite and hasn't been profiting off everything he claims to be killing america
He's just sweet talking some disenfranchised retards into voting for him, and then he flip flops on issues just like any other politician, since you retards are knees deep in shit you'll just accept it like the obedient cucks you are
>trump: deport illegals, le build wall! >alt rite fags: maga, so based, le epic sloganeering >trump: we're gonna work with illegals so they become americans >alt rite fags: 5d chessmaster representin'! He's a genius!
Caleb Harris
Trump is part of the elite. He has the biggest ego therefore the only one who had to balls to run. The rest are pussified. He's so arrogant he wants to be the 45th president. But he won't win against Hillary. He's just there for the kicks.
Nolan Clark
You're correct OP. National Socialism and Anarcho-Capitalism are the only ideologies that guarantee the existence of our civilisation. They're the final red pills.
Cameron Perez
Watch his immigration speech tomorrow you wetback fuck, then we'll see whose flip flopping
Dominic Sanders
I feel that alt-right is the beginning stages of an upcoming political movement.
I disagree with much of the alt-right, but I belong with the movement as a Libertarian Fascist. Eventually, the childish posters will find a new meme, and the alt-right will be properly forged.
Hunter Hernandez
Because ideally a government should govern foreigners, not it's own people.
Henry Myers
>Libertarian Fascism
Explain this to me, I'm pretty sure they contradict each other.
Nathan Rivera
A fucking Kangaroo
Grayson Taylor
Anarcho capitalism, capitalism, libertarianism, or any form of such IS NOT RIGHTWING.
Jaxon Foster
Both natsoc and ancap are sort of an antithesis to Marxism. They're both reactionary in nature and ultimately seek to defeat the Marxist paradigm that runs the world today.
Ancap has never really had it's logic refuted. The core philosophical tenets are logically sound which is why ancaps insist that discussions follow formal logic. But ancaps lack a cohesive social theory and often blindly follow cultural marxism and multiculturalism. 2016 seems be proving that that Nazi ethnocentrism and traditionalism was right all along. Ancap alone doesn't really have the means to articulate this but can pick it up from natsoc.
I think the best example of this gradual synthesis might be pic related. I don't think anyone, including molymeme himself, really know how to describe him anymore. Sup Forums certainly has a fascination with him and his viewship has exploded since Sup Forums started talking about him. He seems to be a weird blend of alt right and a cap. He is certainly evidence of this ancap x natsoc phenomenon
Logan Russell
You just went full retard.
Left wing is about controlling the economy, nationalising businesses and high taxes
Right wing is letting go of the economy and letting the market be free, privatising businesses and lowering taxes.
Sebastian Rivera
>Ancap has never really had it's logic refuted lmao
Zachary Cruz
Rose?
Brandon Lopez
Right wing is about building up a nation. Left wing is about tearing it down. Not much more than that.
How the hell did an Estonian get such an American and fairly retarded perspective on the left/right spectrum?
Brandon Sanchez
When do I get my roads ?
Ryan Wilson
>>Ancap has never really had it's logic refuted
AYYY LMAO
Carson Garcia
It's a dictatorship which purges things harmful to civilisation, such as Islam, leftism, feminism, or any other ism of the sort.
I view it as technocratic, meaning that people aren't elected into their positions as much as it is that they are promoted due to their experience. It's a knowledge/experience based meritocracy. That's how we keep lefties from being voted in, and ensure that the most qualified people earn their positions.
Locally, governments are free to make whatever laws they choose, and people can do whatever they please with minimal government interference. Minimal taxes, free market (with international protectionism). Essentially, it's libertarianism for the civilised, but fascism for the savages.
Kevin Baker
The core tenant, the non aggression principle , is derived from very straightforward logic. There a tons of things you can object to in ancap, but the logical consistency of the NAP is not one of those things
Joshua Moore
>Not an argument
Do you even know what formal logic is?
Jayden Smith
Is that reactive armor? Damn, sign me up for Ancap society.
Alexander Powell
This thread is too full of faggotry.
Alt-right is a great term that covers the weird, meme-driven obsessions of autistic, butthurt permavirgins as they rage together in a massive hug box.
Blake Turner
>I don't think that I can take it >'Cause it took so long to bake it >And I'll never have that recipe again >Oh, no!
Ayden Diaz
The only "refutations" are memes about TOW missiles and that one image with people tied to the train track and the switch being on private property.
The first one will not happen because high IQ individuals wouldn't do things like on those ancap meme images, and the train problem can be explained by the owner of the switch dropping charges because the trespasser saved lives + the court can go easy on the trespasser (something like a 500 dollar fine) because the guy did save 5 lives without vandalising anything.
ye
Maybe in your head you think like this, but the left-right spectrum is generally understood with my explanation.
gross violation of the NAP
Thanks for the explanation
Ryan Reyes
Who's going to stop me from disobeying the NAP when I have the strongest military getting the best social benefits on my land ?
David Sanders
>Sup Forums will be forgotten like tears in the rain. remove Sup Forums the entire internet becomes Sup Forums. Memes start here and become huge trends.
Brayden Robinson
>My Political Awareness Begins Midway Through The 19th Century: the post
Jack Thomas
If the voting majority would be high IQ, we would be ancap already, problem is, most are stupid as fuck, and as a result, Im called a nazi for not wanting a 42 year old man in diapers to enter the childrens chaning room.
Ethan Bennett
Private security services that guard other people's property.
That's why we need a transitional stage before we can start going more libertarian. We need a dictator who somehow won't extend his rule beyond what's needed.
Noah Jenkins
changing*
Evan Green
It's not an evolution or synthesis, more a regression to the essentials, the values that build and maintain civilization.
Jayden Sanchez
>That's why we need a transitional stage before we can start going more libertarian. We need a dictator who somehow won't extend his rule beyond what's needed.
Call it technocracy or it pretty much seems like a logical fallacy. But no need for a dictator, absence of democracy would be plenty.
Kayden Russell
resist the urge to accept a label, or notoriety
we are the true "destroyers," the jews only imagine themselves to be destroyers
if we wish to have maximum effectiveness, we cannot have a form, and we cannot have an ego. We are nothing but servants to our own people, and our only tools are the humble and timely dissemination of the truth
Bentley Wood
Actually in the 19th century it might be somewhat different. Today's left pretty much only exists to destroy anything of quality.
Gavin Martinez
>Trump won't shut down the internet Dillusional Sup Forumstards
Landon Russell
the idea that there are still retards here that think the "internet" can be shut down is amazing to me.
fucking webtards
Jacob Campbell
((())) Thinking he can correct the record! stupid shills
Cooper Torres
...
Henry Russell
Easily
Temporary Autonomy is expressed in the territory between enforcement, manifesting themselves as Zones.
t. anarchist
Aaron Fisher
>>Actions speak louder than words >Hur due watch his speech tomorrow Kek
Lincoln Gutierrez
What?
Julian Rogers
>pretending >not stockpiling supplies for the race war
ISHYGDDT
Carson Hill
Internet probably can't be shut down in the US. It can't even be effectively censored. It's too decentralized here. This isn't true in most of the world because governments were proactive in centralizing control of it in other countries. In the US it evolved so accidentally and organically that there isn't a whole lot the state can directly control.
If it was possible or politically feasible to shut down websites in the US for dissenting opinions, it would have already happened. Americans have let every single right be trampled on except free speech. America is unique in the world in that it's really the only place where outright state censorship isn't actually possible.
This is why they have switched to a technocratic approach to control of information. The state can't directly control the internet, but they can get Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc. to control information for them. Cultural Marxism drives people to all use the same websites for the same show of vanity. If there was alternative social media, the US government would actually lose a shit load of power
Christian Brown
true anarchy is temporary. found only in spaces that currently "dont have cops and probably wont have cops for a while"
The goal for any anarchist is literally just gaps in enforcement. IE: Don't put up cameras everywhere and don't save all your info to NSA honeypots.
Kayden Russell
You realize national socialism and anarcho capitalism are opposites, right? There is no synthesis. That's almost as bad as the guy yesterday who tried to say he was an anarcho monarchist
William James
>Soros = Kek You stupid fuck.
Michael Nguyen
Okay abbo.
Elijah Hall
>pretending
haha yes Mordechai, we are only kidding
Ryan Perez
This
Ancap is a decent ideology in an indecent time. As it currently stands, libertarians are good goys who don't understand (or are unwilling to do) what needs to be done.
Jose Martinez
>A fucking chicken eating an earth worm
Jaxson Perry
I can't say that I advocate anarchism. Despite being a consequentialist, that's probably my least favourite part of it. Anarchism is too utopianistic to be pragmatic. Revolutionary Catalonia, and the Free Territory of Ukraine both failed miserably in defending themselves from others, which is why leadership and a certain level of centralisation is required. Neither the syndicalist CNT-FAI nor Nestor Makhno possessed the required level of centralisation to protect themselves. I understand that they are both leftist examples, but the failures were not due to their socialism (that is, concerning defence; because their socialism was problematic).
t. Former editor for an anarchist Facebook page
Bentley Nguyen
>Libertarian dictatorship Mfw
Brody Bennett
>Soros is god of chaos
Soros is a meglomaniac obsessed with ordering society from the top down. Literally the opposite of chaos
Benjamin Watson
>violating the NAP
Benjamin Thomas
>If there was alternative social media, the US government would actually lose a shit load of power
Which is why im here and not on facebook, theres also i2p and the dark web if things start to get icky.
Jordan Wilson
>>Trump won't try to shut down the internet*
Ryan Ramirez
Hence the inevitable synthesis with natsoc. Natsoc knows what needs to be done but lacks the proper ethical framework
Nicholas Howard
I would buy that, but every ancap and lolbertarian I talk too kneejerks with "das rayciss" when you show them crime stats. I don't know what to do about them, they live in a dreamworld.
Ryan Morris
>children's chaning room >mfw Trump Youth are encouraged by the state to get redpilled
Liam Butler
>theres also i2p and the dark web if things start to get icky But Trump can't shut down the internet...
Adrian Allen
Way to make us look dumb ameribro.
Levi Watson
He's from New Jersey so don't expect too much.
Ian King
Ancap is an safe gamble that if there was no laws or goverment, new societies would be created and whitey would come out an winner.
Think removing the powers that keeps white isolationsim from being a thing.
Liam Sanders
In his pursuit of chaos he has awakened unholy ancient forces that even he can't even hope of controlling. His, baby, his creation, will eventually become his worst enemy.
When the flag of the frog flies high and proud and the bitter taste of zyklon b fills his shower he will realise that he was a mere pawn of the almighty KEK.
Landon Reyes
Libertarians think that they have to agree with liberals on social issues because they buy in way too hard into the meme that they are "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". It's a good selling point for the ideology, but ultimately shouldn't be defining it like it is.
They think that multiculturalism is natural so any advocacy against it implies violent state action to stop it. To red pill them you have to demonstrate that multiculturalism is a government program and without the state people would naturally separate themselves according the ethnicity.
Charles Lopez
If they attack the free speech one or two proxies wont save your ass. They can still have the IP and use that to track you down if they want. Harder to do with deep net / i2p.
Or you think it's like flipping a switch saying internet on/off?
Ryder Reed
That's a pretty meaningless graph. Over what time frame? Is the time frame the same for each bin? Do Sup Forumstards like making nice looking half-assed graphs that only appear to prove their point, but upon closer analysis become totally meaningless?
Austin Cox
>You give this place far too much credit. you know hillary clinton basically mentioned Sup Forums, who is probably going to be the next president?
Cameron Bell
So refugees will stop coming to a country when there is no more government? Kek
I'm using the word "internet" figuratively. You are dillusional if you think Trump won't use his powers to censor the opposition.
Ethan Foster
Nah, that would be a violation of the NAP since every liberal piss rag called a newspaper have a monopoly on that my dear ctr-shill
Ian Lopez
It's alright. It takes a while to understand.
Caleb Fisher
But we already believe that 2nd paragraph. Just the meme libertarians being retarded
Brayden Martinez
I'll have to try that. The existence of the nation state in the first place should be enough to show them that races formed their own nations mutually. Plus, they segregate naturally; public/private schools, ghettos within cities, etc. etc. There's an abundance of reality supporting it, I don't know why they won't acknowledge the reality. Fear?
Jose Walker
This one's more specific. NYC in 2014.
Christian James
Is there a problem with that?
Zachary Barnes
I'm deriding them as useful idiots ("good goys")
Ian Gutierrez
says the one hired to defend a diaper wearing democrats who cant stand up longer then 10 minutes. This trump will shut down the internet meme is some pure ass ctr-bullshit, and anyone without shit for brains knows it to be untrue. The only ones trying to shut down opposition are you SJW.
Dominic Wood
Yeah, I caught that later, hehe. Can't take posts back once typed out.
Levi Miller
OK, memes aside revolutionary Anarcho-Capitalism like you're thinking of would definitely fail, because it would going from what we are now into UPB, which most people don't care/know enough about. Stefan Molyneux holds anarcho-capitalism as an ideal we must work towards and cannot transfer to until we have the infrastructure culture in place so these memes don't happen.
Samuel Wilson
>anarcho capitalism >not being completely retarded
It's even stupider than fucking gommunism. There are LITERALLY ACTUALLY people on Sup Forums RIGHT NOW who think an ancap society wouldn't immediately devolve into a warlord society like Africa
Justin Myers
That's the funniest meme of all. Africa is literally ancap paradise.
Elijah Brown
Natcap - national capitalism, also known as fascism - is already a thing Same with ansoc
Adam Phillips
The only way it could have a chance of being anything remotely useful is in a homogenously white society, but you show them that and they will freak out.
Ryan Richardson
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "ALT-RIGHT"
IT'S AN MSM/GLOBALIST TRAP SO THEY CAN LABEL AND SUBVERT NON-BELIEVERS OF ALL STRIPES
STOP FALLING FOR THE RUSE
Jackson Rivera
>forgetting feudalism
It's been tried once you dim fuck. Those with resources and capital will ALWAYS try to dominate those without, regardless of skin colour
Aiden Young
Immigration and multiculturalism are government programs. It is the state that forces integration. Without the state, people are free to discriminate in whatever way they want. This effectively is private border control.