Libertarian left

How many of you genuinely believe that the entire libertarian left section is impossible?
While I agree that anarcho communism doesnt work, do you not realise libertarian left =/= anarcho communism?
It is entirely possible for the government to allow for more personal freedoms, while also providing some socialized services.

Sup Forums thinks libertarian left = sjws

Wasting your time

but Sup Forums is right on a lot of things
I really want to know why they think like this

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Freedoms are not allowed, they are won.

A government that has socialized services and leans to the left spends your tax dime on social engineering to shame those that want more liberty - see "america is already great" and other modern day hippie AKA SJW bullshit.

And as always, what looks good on paper to dreamers and ideologues is readily discarded by the common man for the status quo. And what are you going to do for him to accept your freedom-loving worldview? Force him?

This man is willingly blind, deaf and stupid.

>libertarian
>government orchestrated theft and imprisonment
pick
one
cunt

It is that and impractical communists. There is nothing more there.

>While I agree that anarcho communism doesnt work, do you not realise libertarian left =/= anarcho communism
This where you are wrong

Big government and personal freedoms are incompatible, if not in theory, then at least in practice.

>libertarian
>left

>There is nothing more there.
A nigger does not see that he's black if he abjectly refuses to look into a mirror.

>if not in theory, then at least in practice.
In theory does not exist, only in practice does.

You do undertand that not all leftists want to abolish property, and not all libertarians want to remove all laws.
Using taxes for socialization is just as much theft as using it for anything else.

again libertarian left =/= anarcho communism

It's not literally impossible, but it's extremely unlikely. The market would have to naturally organize itself along socialism (worker co-ops and the like). Outside of things like Credit Unions, this kind of firm is not common and usually inefficient.

>literally every post from OP has some variation of "You do realize?"

top kek

I'm always on that side of the chart AMA


:D

>>While I agree that anarcho communism doesnt work, do you not realise libertarian left =/= anarcho communism
>This where you are wrong
You are a very silly person, senpai.
Do you seriously think that all of the left are communists, and all of the bottom want anarchy?

Using taxes for socialization is good propaganda to appropriate those funds into keeping yourself as Most Equal among equals.

Five digit consultation fees and youth programs to combat those misguided racists in other sovereign countries.

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Inevitably you end up having to drop the boot on tax dodging faggots and capitalist exploitation

left literally are socialists by definition or they would not be left. and socialism is the exact opposite of liberalism so therefore liberal left does not exist

>Do you seriously think that all of the left are communists

The left are useful idiots FOR the communists.
You're like the christfag who believes jews are G*d's chosen people

>tfw always score libertarian left on these political compass tests

I'm also not really educated though.
I don't know what books I can read to be able to argue on Sup Forums like a pro. I mainly operate off of my feelings of right and wrong.

Can somebody point me in the right direction?

>tax dodging faggots

Fuck off welfare nigger your shoes and xbox aren't a human right and I'm damn sure not paying for your nigglets

Sometimes I just turn on "I want a new drug" by Huey Lewis and the News and zone out for hours.

>while providing some socialized services
Inherently contradictory

Any apparatus to provide a service will be dwarfed by the personal freedoms it suppresses

>For every 1 dollar you give to Shaniqua you must take 10 from bob

>I mainly operate off of my feelings of right and wrong.

What you need is more economical hardship, betrayal and a closer view into the ugly nature of mankind.

Never become one of those faggots who believes they're educated and base their view of the real world on paper dripping with fantasy.
Just try the all time Sup Forums best sellers Mein Kampf and Atlas Shrugged and don't believe a word unless you feel it resonate with you.

But I don't agree with communism. I think its a stupid ideology. I would sooner be ancap than commie.

I believe that we're all sort of like multiplying bacteria in an indifferent universe.

I believe the vast majority of human beings are completely and utterly self interested and only care about the preservation of their joys/sources of happiness. If they truly cared about their children, they would never bring them into this world.

That's my current view on the world.

Also I'm racist

The best example I can give of Anarcho Communism that exists today is America's Amish. It's a voluntary society. You can leave, but if you stay you abide by their CLASSLESS SOCIETY. Where you all dress the same, no one is rich or above another. God is your ultimate dictator. Sure they have a council and such like every government, but that's just for function. If your barn burns down, everyone in your church comes together to rebuild it. They pool their money together when an elder gets sick. It's the only true Anarcho Communist society I can think of. So it isn't really a contradiction.

>It is entirely possible for the government to allow for more personal freedoms, while also providing some socialized services.

No. How it is now. You work and part of your earnings go to pension/other social taxes.

How I think it should be. You work, you arrange for a plan at a financial company which saves a percentage for health/pension. Some personalised plan. The job of the government is to watch over the company that handles that much cash.

Something like this, but more elaborated. I think this might save a lot of money. Probably can pay for schools now also and give teachers better pay.

Fuck me. Non Tory conservafags used to be against concentrated wealth. Industrial revolution. Wars. Automation. Globalism. All of these were stood against by the libertarian left. Free speech laws. Bernie being more pro gun than Hillary (a Republican); and on and on and on. Corporations are why we have taxes and gong shows and refugees and the zionist right needs to sit the fuck down. Their religion is retarded and fake and they'll take us all down. Memes are shit. This whole oh no im scurred look at the faggots and brownies is so retarded. Minimum wage should be $26/hour but we do basic incomes instead. The left was becoming more fake. The right tripling down and more. The left balances more budgets. And when libertarian (like the NDP) and not Stalinist or upper left you remove all the tinfoil. Why the fuck would a middle class person want to be rightist and when would they be satisfied? Never. They think this way because we call blood names of monkeys. Nobody knows where negative monkey blood comes from. That's where the ayy liars come in. Everything the right says from procreation on down is one upside down stars mess. Democrats have always been against goobermint intrusion. As to guns. Merely looking at them drives men to use them. Why are men so retarded now? Plato. Bush. All right wing morons. Kill economy. Lie. Play games. Flood refugees by own actions. Create messes in all possible ways. BUT BUT MUH MCCARTHY. Shit's been going on for a long time. Does Christ seem rightist to you? He shouldn't. Anything less is the utomost degeneracy and is the very essence of the right wing. UK glory days were WWII rationing ones. Then Thatcher said goyim don't deserve no shit like "societies" because they don't exist (basic income is Friedman; Rand took social security) and you went to shit. Then the moustachioed-manic absconds with unions and decides to keep retaining his EU pension being a former banker he did well. Corbyn's shit because he sits down on trains

Your agreement is not necessary. You only need to demoralize and disillude those around you and make them want something more, e.g. FREEDOM AND SOCIALISM AT THE SAME TIME, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!? COULD IT BE REAL?!?

From there on, university educated insincere ideologues will take care of the rest.

As said - useful, but an idiot.

following this logic, people shouldn't argue for what they think is right because people will take everything to the extreme.
everyone should remain centrist and never stray for fear someone takes things too far.

or
we could argue for what we want and point people out on their bullshit when things become to extremist

>It is entirely possible for the government to allow for more personal freedoms, while also providing some socialized services.

When Wally Mart does it for ten times the price you have real freedumbs. Wally Mart provides the very best in Nick Riviera brand medicine

And many kibbutzim in Israel are also good examples of anarcho communism.

What you fail to see is the beauty of spontaneous order in what seems a chaotic and meaningless existence.

You can cry bitch tears until you're dry about humans and their selfishness, but the species, as the very same assholes that they've always been and always will be, have still upheld, lost and re implemented civilized society for mayhap ten millenia by now.

Humans is bad boo fucking hoo. Don't see your shitty bacteria creating laws detrimental to one but beneficial to all.

>good
>Israel

It's easy. Stop being Godless

>because people will take everything to the extreme.

Communism [WARNING: BADASS] is not an extreme revolutionary political idea (BANNED IN BRITAIN!)

It's just a kike scheme to get them there goyim shekels.
Don't follow the logic. No logic to life and many smart man worried his hair grey thinking about it. Just follow who benefits financially from your self-sacrificial heroism and "Words so strange yet true."

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.

I was following you.. but now you've lost me..

I don't see the order as spontaneous at all.
It seems to only be a consequence of greed/evolutionary fitness.

It's why I can't see communism ever working. There will always be an apex in power that will lead to abuse.

Nice dubs bro, I see the point you're making

>tell me how you're weak and vainglorious

>There will always be an apex in power that will lead to abuse.

And there was, is and will be; and why leftist-libertarianism is make belief.

You're a shittier version of feminism.

If that's a common ground we both share, why do I consistently score as a leftist libertarian on political compass tests?

It might just be my ignorance to economic/social issues skewing my score though.

>provides healthcare
>smoking bad for health
>ban smoking to save costs

>It might just be my ignorance to economic/social issues skewing my score though.
Yes. You will find that you're quite ignorant in believing parties advertising a political platform will follow it's theoretical principles and will be quite disappointing upon discovery that quite a lot of funds are instead delegated to smearing the opposition to divert the spotlight from the A-party's deviations of following A-ideology, as it was promised to voters.

Left lolbertarians on suicide watch

BTW, just took the shitty political compass test and also hit the green.

Can't put much trust into others telling you what they think you think you should think based on their evaluation of what they think you thought by filling in a questionnaire

Guess I'm a #hillmissile now.

its libertarian, except they accept that some forced taxation is worth it for roads/welfare/etc

This is why health insurance goes against the "do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone" idea. If you live in any way unhealthily then you are hurting everyone by raising everyone's insurance premiums, therefor laws will be created until everyone is forced to live in the most healthy way possible.

Wait, one more question

What's your IQ?

Mine is 130+

High enough to crack a condescending grin to people adorning such metrics as laurels upon their heads.

It's not like they want to abolish all coercion. The coercion of initially collectivizing many assets is nothing compared to the coercion supported by many right wing "libertarians."

>le useful idiots meme
Can anyone say how the fuck holding certain views makes you part of a slippery slope even if you firmly state your stance against those further down the slope?

>The coercion of initially collectivizing many assets is nothing compared to the coercion supported by many right wing "libertarians."

>If you don't do what I tells ya Imma shoot yous on the spot
>At least we're goodlier than those there rite wing raceshits that shoot people who's don't follow their views

There's no such thing as "less" blood on your hands, fampai.

Sky is brown

Complaining about the ice makes a distinguished and world-wise scholar such as you not fall upon your butt?

You forgot to acknowledge the part where the ideologues don't get into power because it's not unstable enough for them to rise.

Not an argument.

Nothing selling your soul and beliefs to rich people to advance their position can't fix.

You haven't shown an inherent link between left libertarianism and authoritarian socialism/communism.

Does the church have to show an inherent link between god and real life for millions to foam at their mouths for theirs is indeed The Truth.

Nice strawman. Most if not all left libertarians don't believe in the death penalty or widespread use of prisons.

You're not even making sense at this point.

Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics
Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics

Nice strawman.

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I'm Libertarian Left, but only because of those tax, abortion, and religion questions. In the grand scheme of things, I'm pretty conservative.

If you stay a little longer there is an autistic american who thinks liberalism is the foundation of socialism and marxism. He may show up again.

that might be the most autistic thing i've ever read