Kill 50% of rome's adult male population

>kill 50% of rome's adult male population
>still lose the war
why are Tunisians and Spaniards shit at fighting?

Attached: CarthageMap.png (770x447, 288K)

Other urls found in this thread:

phys.org/news/2016-05-ancient-dna-phoenician-carthage-european.html
youtu.be/SjxYJBWcS08
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

>kill 50% of rome's adult male population
>shit at fighting

We won every battle under Hannibal command being especially decisive in battles such as the one at Cannae, in fact a big chunk of the troops that crossed the Alps with Hannibal were Iberian mercenaries and allies, it was Carthage (((elites))) the ones who basically betrayed Hannibal efforts after the defeat at Zama back in North Africa.

Because Scipio was a madman zealot

Attached: scipio_africanus.jpg (335x458, 49K)

You know, I guess Trudeau was right

Attached: 5207151-5904425638-1%2B1.jpg (697x366, 38K)

hey buddy i think you got the wrong door

/his/ is two doors down

Attached: leather club is two doors down.jpg (604x428, 31K)

What if Alexander's men stuck with him for a few more months and he got his wish of invading Carthage?

>grug hear other grug say big word
>grug think other grug need leave

Attached: 1514221440611.png (645x729, 116K)

>inb4 it was jews fault

But the good guys won this war?

>Tunisians
>Spaniards
>any relation to the classical carthaginians

Pls. At most modern berbers have a few drops of Punic blood, same for modern Iberians.

>it was Carthage (((elites))) the ones who basically betrayed Hannibal efforts after the defeat at Zama back in North Africa.
The war was decided on the Iberian front. Hannibal's Italian campaign was, strategically, a sideshow.

I remember seeing a study posted that some Carthaginian DNA was found and it modern Portuguese were closest to it.

Sup Forums was always history
/his/ shit unnecessary board

Now we are everything?

It was just one guy's DNA so be no means definitive or even representative of Phoenician DNA, but read for yourself here: phys.org/news/2016-05-ancient-dna-phoenician-carthage-european.html

>U5b2cl is considered to be one of the most ancient haplogroups in Europe and is associated with hunter-gatherer populations there. It is remarkably rare in modern populations today, found in Europe at levels of less than one per cent. Interestingly, our analysis showed that Ariche's mitochondrial genetic make-up most closely matches that of the sequence of a particular modern day individual from Portugal

>Tunisians
>Carthaginians

Attached: EF469183-AB45-469E-9E23-FBF0F9B60AD8.jpg (645x773, 54K)

So this particular Phoenician dude matched quite well to ONE particular Portuguese dude.
Still very interesting.

/his/ is shit, its full of americans

>be naval super power
>start war against country that has 0 ships and doesn't even know how to build them
>still lose the war at sea
Carthaginians were beyond retarded

Attached: bece156a443aec47f0bebc77aa37b1a535a1bbf0b0367d4c6c591ec1a3af5099.png (921x886, 147K)

what would history be like if carthaginians won and cartago wasnt destroyed?
>ROMA DELENDA EST

Yeah. Romans never fought outside Italy before the Punic War. But they still btfo Carthage by copying their design of the ships.

the pope would live in Tunisia, we'd be Punics and the Iberians would have raped Punicamerica into existence

We'd all be speaking Gaulish now.

i saw a video showing that the carthaginians/phoenician explorers possibly found brazil, because of some remains there

punic means a mix berebr and phoeniicans evern during carthage era the vast majority were berebr not Phoenicians

>We

WUZ

Attached: 464084.png (545x296, 64K)

[Citation needed]

if carthage was a majority phoenicians where all the phoenicians went?
also the legend says like (illisa the Phoenicians queen escaped from lebanon with just 3 boats no more )

it's just diaspora

Didn't Romans sell the entire Carthage population to slavery?

A storm delied the Carthaginian fleet that went to the aid of Ampsichora, also I’d like to know why Cagliari and Sulci immediately allied with the Romans, fucking backstabbers

*delayed

Not sure if you're retarded or shitposting

that's what they teach us in history :)
anyway who cares about them just some sandnegros invaders

and threw salt on their fields?

Spaniards didn't exist back then, stupid Pajeet.

the population of their other colonies shows that many were natives/mixed. Also a huge number of North African mercenaries lived in Carthage

IIRC they burnt everything to the ground, killed all the men and sold all the women and children into slavery. They wanted to utterly obliterate Carthage.

meanwhile carthage today

Attached: 16009.jpg (960x640, 100K)

ROMA INVICTA

Attached: rome-2016-carthage-2016-its-a-kind-of-therapy-3389308.png (500x741, 205K)

Killing a bunch and losing seems to be a tradition.

Attached: 1429.png (314x548, 156K)

>The day was raw; snow was falling; the troops had not yet eaten their morning meal; yet, though they had been under arms for several hours, he pushed them across the fords of the Trebia, with the water breast-high and icy-cold. Arrived on the farther side, the Roman soldiers were so chilled that they could scarcely hold their weapons.
>Hannibal was ready to receive them. His men had eaten, rubbed themselves with oil before their camp-fires, and prepared their weapons. He might have attacked the Roman army when half of it was across, with even greater chances of success. But when he saw his ruse succeeding, he bethought him that he could produce a vastly greater moral effect on the new Gallic allies, as well as win a more decisive victory, by engaging the whole army on his own terms.

Malta is Tunisian clay

Attached: 1520633569889.png (1920x1080, 303K)

>Speaks like Tunisians
>Looks like Tunisians
>Entire history is being pirates but calling it crusades instead of jihad
Face it Malta, you're just catholic Tunisians

Fuck you!

I know you want to be like us. Don't worry, maybe one day.

why did they oil themselves? sounds kinda gay

not really

Attached: haplo4.jpg (4334x2987, 1.13M)

they are referring to the non phoenician-non carthaginian Iberian mercenaries who made a large chunk of Hannibal's army, not to the Carthaginians who lived in Iberia

That’s literally a fake quote, idiot

I remember reading many years ago, like late 2000s, one of those gene/haploshit blogs, a maltese guy his results to a specialist without telling his nationality, and the guess of the specialist was "very deep in south italy"

I think they are Sicilians who changed their language

>we
cringe

That’s bullshit. Antiquity ships were not nearly strong enough to survive crossing the Atlantic. Spanish ships could barely do it in the late 1400s.

Gotta agree with Sven here

>>kill 50% of rome's adult male population
They didn't.
>why are Tunisians and Spaniards shit at fighting?
Both the First and Second Punic Wars were really decided by resources. The Roman Republic was able to sustain way higher losses.

>shit at fighting

Attached: salty_toad.png (861x893, 140K)

Basques, R1b af. Muh ancestors.

youtu.be/SjxYJBWcS08
based Africanus

Attached: 1448498864495.png (387x307, 68K)

Non-meme answer (implying anyone fucking cares): Hannibal was literally the only card Carthage had to play. This was the second Punic war, in the first the Romans had already wrecked the Carthaginians. In the second Carthage was being destroyed on all fronts: at sea, in Iberia and later in Africa. A lot of it had to do with organization: the Roman military was made up by Roman citizens who fought for Rome, the Carthaginians had some professional troops but also a lot of mercenaries. They did not have Roman style conscription, the backbone of Roman power. As such they lost and lost and lost.

Hannibal was fucking brilliant and the ABSOLUTE MADMAN attacked Rome from the one direction they didn't expect an attack: the North. Because what kind of madman would make a detour into Gaul by land, march an entire army including war elephants across the Alps only to catch the Romans by surprise in the North? Hannibal, that kind of madman.

Hannibal was responsible for most of those 50% fighting age men dying. He fought three major battles in Northern Italy: Trebia, Trasimene and Cannae. During the last battle, in a single day 20% of Rome's fighting age men died in exchange for a mere pittance of Carthaginians and African/Gallic allies. At this point any civilization would be brought to its knees. Not Rome, because the Romans were tenacious motherfuckers who didn't forge their empire by constantly winning, but their ability to bounce back from their defeats. And so they fought, and then Fabius (Consul of Rome) realized that Hannibal had no real means to succesfully besiege Rome as he was cut off from other Carthaginian troops (especially with the Roman fleet destroying the Carthaginian fleet near Sicily). And so Fabian began his eponomous Fabian strategy: never engaging Hannibal, but always being on his back to limit his ability to move.

1/2

Attached: 1415972279584.jpg (579x527, 112K)

In the end Carthage itself was under direct threat of Roman conquest, so Hannibal was forced to retreat to Carthage and fight his last battle: the battle of Zama against Scipius Africanus, the man who was responsible for beating the Carthaginians in Iberia (which was also more or less the treasury of Carthage due to it's rich gold- and silvermines). There he also learned how to fight against war elephants. This ability, combined with him basically using Hannibal's own strategy against him, is what won him the day.

Hannibal was great, without a doubt one of the greatest generals to have ever lived. He just wasn't great enough to make Carthage not shit. If Carthage had one or two more generals who were even half as competent as Hannibal, there'd be no Rome.

Is there one like this for Germaboos?

Let's also not forget that their swords were Spanish and their chainmail Gallic. Rome's biggest strength was its adaptability. It easily copied whatever others were doing as long as it worked. They had no sense that using Spanish swords would 'betray Rome' or such nonsense. They were purebred pragmatists.

Unironically #4

Attached: wlw1nch8zg8z.jpg (320x274, 20K)

>we

What are Tunisians anyway?
Roman/Arab/Spanish/French rape babies?

AYO
HOL UP
SO U BE SAYIN...

purest people of maghreb :3

Attached: tun.png (1123x329, 305K)

Scipio is one of the most underrated generals in history
it's borderline criminal how unknown he is compared to Hannibal "muh elephants" Barca, if it wasn't for him Rome could have been fucked long before they became the basis for Western/European Culture

Attached: scipio_africanus_cm2.jpg (455x600, 50K)