Why do Americans do this?

Why do Americans do this?

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prove him wrong (pro-tip: you literally can't)

Because it's true

> Implying 97% of those firearm owners will take up arms when most won't even bother to vote

So his argument is that if you are disarmed, you do not own property and you have no rights because the government (which has a monopoly on violence and is always armed) can simply take those rights and property away from you at gunpoint?

And he thinks the American government cannot do the same because Americans are armed? Please, when the American government comes knocking and you reply by shooting back, it won't end well for you, at all. You'll be as dead as the unarmed Euro at the end of the day.

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exactly what i laugh at
they're delusional wimps ahaha

> government becomes evil
> proud mutts defending their properties with muh guns
> get FUCKING OBLITERATED

b-b but muh guns :(

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You need guns so thatthe government fears the population. Only a moron believes the gov and I mean any gov of any nation is anything but a force for evil and repression. All elected officials are worthless criminals

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees

How do you intend to defeat your militarized police when they come for your guns?

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Why even try to debate Americans when all you get in return is martial one-liners?

Easy. We can kidnap their children and kill them we can detonate infrastructure we can kill their parents or burn their homes. I am fine with reducing the globe to ashes becore I surrender to globalism and socialism.

Dunno why is germany full of pussies?

Maybe they are planning on going full PLAF with small arms as a stop gap until their counties and state(s) can go full Secession Crisis 2: Electric Boogaloo and we end up coring out our poorest areas even further.

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It gets hard to tell when euros are dangling shitty bait and when they're just legitimately retarded.

That's actually pretty fucking true.But you shouldn't worry about the government trying to enslave if you live in europe

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wow bro so deep

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The real slave is the man who can't feel safe without a gun.

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roll

Likely a false premise in my state. And no, if their coming explicitly to my home, I'm not going to shoot at police.

Burgers are delusional, they live in a country where cops can shoot them the back without consequences while thinking they're keeping their govt in check because of their guns

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You would think that all the amerimutt shit is a meme but these guys are telling me Europe is "a shithole at everything besides education" because of all the refugees

They unironically think that Europe is a cucked shithole no-go zone with a bunch of terrorism and rape because of the refugees. They won't listen to me at all

Just try doing that shit in post 9/11 america, you'd be riddled with bullets before having the time to buy explosives

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You dont need explosives. Just steal a car and detonate it. Everything is a weapon

then what's the point ahahahhah
it's like the nukes ahahaha literally nobody using them but to dickwaving ahahaha they're useless

rolllllll

> What's the point?
Defense of my home. I'm a chicken shit. I have zero desire to go out shooting some peace officer doing his job.

Now if my neighbors, and maybe some of those same police officers too, are already standing at the ends of their drive with their rifles? That's going to be a rough day.

He is unironically right.

He's correct. You have no rights if a government official can come and take them away.

But if your neighbors didn't have guns you wouldn't need yours

How will the car explode without explosives? You do realize real life is not like action movies, right?

>Defense of my home
how will you defend your house if you don't shoot ahahahaha
can't you see? it's all a false sense of security
please tell me at least you hunt regularly or go to shooting field ahahaha

Sorry, I wasn't clear. The neighbors with guns aren't mad at me. Their standing around to see who else is coming along.

What about fri onals? They dont give a fuck. Why shouldnt I be free to kill some worthless criminal com9ng to take ny property? I value my computer and TV way more than the life of some drug addict who will never do anythibg but commit crimes. The life of a crook has no value but ny entertainment center does so I should be free to kill to protect it and a gun is the most efficent way to do that

Yes, minimum twice a month, both pistol and carbine. My countrymen descending into bullshit civil unrest is not why I go though.

>Just steal a car and detonate it.

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I'm a gun owner myself, but I can't wait to see all the retarded bubbas and cletuses who LARP as freedom fighters get their shit pushed in by an actual trained and disciplined armed force.

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this thread is pure shit.

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You act like that shit won't play out like Austin this last week. I'd rather we just figure out how to get along.

This
>Americans whinge about needing muh guns to protect their freedom
>won’t even think of taking up arms against their tyrannical two-party oligarchy which has already killed the republic
Shameful tbqh

Rag in the gas tank

Then the car will just burn

You are on your knees, though. Your country is either worships a flag or a constitution or a bible or a corporation. Americans are the perfect slaves: ones who will willing die for their masters and call it an act of freedom.

You people are oblivious to reality.

lamb

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>Iraqis could have killed thousand of mutts with that one dumb trick

>just steal a car and detonate it

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diesel would probably explode

yanks dont like diesel cars though

Your country is massive, retard. The government could shut down the electricity grids and telecommunications of large regions, block transport of goods, food, etc. and there is nothing your bangsticks can do to stop that.
How would you organise yourselves without internet or phone service? What would you do without power? How long would you last before someone breaks piggy's glasses and beats him to death with the conch shell?

>More and more articles show that america is a plutocracy
>They still don't use their weapons

Americans actually think they're capable of starting an insurrection and winning a civil war against the government because
>Muh guns

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We're starting to wake up though. It's going to get bad enough that we're probably going to run through some absolute dogshit populism for a while before we level the boat. I'm talking Huey P Long levels.

That's because the average person really doesn't care that much about politics or at least doesn't care enough to participate.The two-party system has very little effect on their day to day life and is good enough at meeting the needs of the people. But if the government starts setting up gulags and carrying people away I have no doubt that people are going to start using those guns.

Right nothing will quell an uprising like curting off food water and medical care from huge segments of your own populace.
In fact the size of the coubtry works for us:We can tear down bridges rip up railways set up ambishes
You act like Afghanistan Vietnam and Iraq never happened

>Because one day I’ll be rich :^)

>implying the majority of the military aren't right-wing pro-citizenry gun nuts to begin with

He's delusional, but so is your solution. Your idea of supression is to cut off utilities and transport for everyone in the fucking city, including the government's supporters? Oh yeah, that's looking good on CNN.

The point isn't to start a civil war its to start a guerrilla war. How can a government suppress its populace when they are constantly fighting back? How well do you think a policeman could enforce tyrannical laws if everybody has a gun and can fight back?

The government’s not going to ever set up gulags idiot, they’ll just slowly chip away at your freedoms, make you wage slaves to the oligarch class, drug you into blissful ignorance, and they’ll disappear the really dangerous ones, like they already do.

Meanwhile, American cops kill people on their knees...

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he's correct

why are americans the only ones with any balls on this planet

>implying in a civil war scenario the government would allow the press to operate freely

American gov could declare martial law with ease and carry out surgical strikes in almost every city in the country. The real problematic ones would be starved and reduced to rubble, like Aleppo. Except the US military doesn’t fuck around, so it wouldn’t take seven years.

>But if the government starts setting up gulags and carrying people away

But you aren't at threat so this won't happen

America is a socially stratified and segregated country

A "guerrilla war" isn't a thing, guerrilla warfare is.

>Can't kill a defeat rice farmers
>Can't defeat goat herders
>Can't control it's own population

K D A
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Democracy is my weapon.

If the government tries to continually break away at peoples civil rights it's going to eventually reach a breaking point.No tyrannical government has ever lasted and an armed and angry populace is much more dangerous to rulers than an unarmed one. Besides you speak of them chipping away at peoples rights yet you want to chip away at the most threating right to them we have.

>We're starting to wake up though
1. no you aren't.
2. it is too late.

>You act like Afghanistan Vietnam and Iraq never happened
A massive fucking failure? An insight that your government is willing to bomd civilians without a second thought?
You are clueless.

>Oh yeah, that's looking good on CNN.
You fucking stupid braindead mongrel. Deadset. Do you think nation wide broadcasting just happens like magic? No, shit for brains; that isn't what people are going to see, if they even find out during. You are forgetting that in the advent of a cival war, which is what it would be, you'd be considered a terrorist threat and not a citizen anymore.

You Americans are so fucking stupid and ignorant of how your media operates.

Ok, and how does that change my point? A populace engaging in guerrilla warfare against the government is way harder to control and oppress than an unarmed one.

rolling

> Country cannot even give healthcare to it's poorest without locking up it's legislative Brach for 8 years
> They'll start dropping hellfires on city blocks with zero complaints from either party
Look bro, I won't tell you how your country works because I don't understand it well enough. Please do me the same courtesy.

One is a war, the other is a way of fighting it, witch i include in "fighting a civil war". Like, for real, do you know any guerrilla tactics?

indeed france-bro. vive la france

>the guberment is evil! let's shoot those 100 drones in the air with our rifles!
this won't really work, will it? the moment you'll have to pick your arms up against your own military you're fucked and should leave the country. best case scenario (and the only one that should exist) is that your army will just shoot the one who wants to become a communist dictator or whatever you fear the most

>If the government tries to continually break away at peoples civil rights it's going to eventually reach a breaking point.
What’s the breaking point? As I can see it, the oligarchy has already completely subsumed your political system and has total control over your economic and social policy. You quite literally do not live in a democratic republic anymore.

>No tyrannical government has ever lasted and an armed and angry populace is much more dangerous to rulers than an unarmed one.
The history of states is the history of tyrannical governments. No government has ever lasted forever, but almost all have been tyrannical.

>Besides you speak of them chipping away at peoples rights yet you want to chip away at the most threating right to them we have.
No, I support your gun rights for the purpose of overthrowing the government. I just think you all are cowardly and hypocritical, and that Americans are too weak and content to ever seriously consider overthrowing the state.

1st off, I don't plan on being on the seccessionist side. My goal is to prevent that shit.

2nd, I know you're paranoid about monopoly control of media because of your internet, but my government pulling that crap is getting out. We couldn't even drone strike foreign correspondents without causing churn.

Also, there's no damn way every competing power isn't shoving their noses all in a US civil war. Info is getting out.

Was Abe Lincoln deadlocked during the Civil War, moron? He took on essentially dictatorial powers backed by the military. That’s the exact same shit that would happen in the event of a second civil war.

>Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants, such as paramilitary personnel, ARMED CIVILIANS, or irregulars, use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional military.
-Wikipedia

How is that not supposed to restrict/limit government control over a population?

Unironically the best post of the board atm

That's not what i asked

>What’s the breaking point? As I can see it, the oligarchy has already completely subsumed your political system and has total control over your economic and social policy. You quite literally do not live in a democratic republic anymore.

The breaking point is when civilians start engaging in guerrilla warfare because they feel their rights are threatened. And no we are still very much a democracy and I'm going to need to some proof of this all-powerful (((oligarchy))) for that to change

>The history of states is the history of tyrannical governments. No government has ever lasted forever, but almost all have been tyrannical.

Depends on what you mean by tyrannical. China and Singapore and both very authoritarian and could be called tyrannical countries yet they serve the needs of the people so people don't revolt. Its when an authoritarian government starts abusing its power that it won't last very long.

>No, I support your gun rights for the purpose of overthrowing the government. I just think you all are cowardly and hypocritical, and that Americans are too weak and content to ever seriously consider overthrowing the state.

[Citation needed]
Applying a stereotype to a super diverse population of 300 million is a ridiculous statement. Your gonna have to back that up.

If you want a direct civil war like the Spanish or Russian civil war you MAY not get that. But you will get an armed populace using guerilla warfare. And that's a much better scenario than if the population were to fight back and be unarmed

I will reformulate my question. I never doubted that you meet the conditions necessary to form a guerrilla, or that it has been effective in other wars. I asked if YOU right there user, knows how to to do it. Can you form a guerrilla? Do you know how to fight as a guerrilla? Can you find a concealed base of operations? Do you have any means of communication in mind? Can you create supply lines and maintain them? Etc.

I don't know how to do those particular things but in a country, with 300 million people I have no doubt that they will be people who can do that. Besides, I don't have to be in a role such as that I could simply be a grunt.

Roll

So your plan is to hope someone else does it for you. Sure man, good luck with that. Hope you never have to use those guns. See ya

That has never stopped guerilla warfare before why would it stop it now? Besides guerilla warfare has always be done by a minority of people. Its no surprise I don't know how to do that.

Are you saying there will be no foreign and domestic war correspondents covering this shit? The ratings boom of the century? Some Sherman level shit with kids getting cluster bombed in Northern Cascadia or whatever is going to piss off even some jaded ass New Yorkers. Let alone every UN NGO that's going to implant.

Fuck man, you're smart enough to know this isn't 1860 anymore. We aren't transmitting info over railway and telegraph.