And I really doubt they stayed in Poland or migrated to the Soviet Union taking into account the violence and persecution from communist elites. Also take into account that they were the only county in the Eastern Bloc that allowed free travel to Mandate Palestine, so that gave them more incentive to leave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46 So, Sup Forums, without going into other details, just numbers and demographic changes, valid sources from official departments like the ones that I am giving, what happened with the Polish jewry if they were not exterminated?
Jeremiah Howard
shameless selfbump.
Landon Collins
bump for you
David Bailey
Well thanks, it seems nobody can answer me. Must be the time because most of the deniers seems to be either americans, canadians or australians.
Benjamin Moore
I am not quite sure but your 30,000 book doesn't work for me.
Maybe they went somewhere else in a dozen different countries across europe or the ussr?
Jason Long
bump to help real discussion
Jeremiah Stewart
Personally I just don't think the holocaust makes any sense.
Gavin Clark
I took the screenshot of the relevant part.
Take into account my previous point, they were the only comie country that allowed unrestricted emigration to Palestine, why would they go to war torn Europe or antisemite Soviet Union?, their homes and families were destroyed. Wouldn't it make more sense to migrate to Palestine to start from scracth?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland >Jewish survivors found it practically impossible to reconstruct their earlier lives as they were before in pre-war Poland.[211] Jewish communities and Jewish life as it had existed was gone. Those Jews who somehow survived the Holocaust and returned to their town or villages often discovered that their homes had been looted or destroyed. Some homes had new repatriated inhabitants who at times were very unhappy to see returning Jewish survivors. >For a variety of reasons, Polish Jews began to leave Poland soon after the Second World War ended.[212] Many left because they did not want to live under a Communist regime, which confiscated all private property. Some left because they did not want to live where their family members had been murdered, instead choosing to live with relatives in different countries. Many wanted to go to British Mandate of Palestine, soon to be the new state of Israel, especially after Gen. Spychalski signed a decree allowing Jews to leave Poland without visas or exit permits.[24] Yet others left because many Poles viewed Jews with hostility due to antisemitic prejudice. You are entitled to your opinion but then what happened with all the polish jews?, did they vanished? I am not discussing the methods, but the numbers and demographics of the heart of European jewry.
Carter Walker
I don't know but I'm more interested to find out where all the human populations in Poland went during that time. Seems like everyone left Poland.
>but then what happened with all the polish jews?, did they vanished?
I don't know. Maybe they just left? Maybe they renounced their religions, identified as poles afterwards, lots of things could've happened.
James Moore
Sup Forums btfo
Even if the holocaust didn't happen, I don't understand why people on here are so into spamming their Hitler did nothing wrong memes. Even if they're right, fucking edgelords need to take a look around and realize that they live in such a propagandized world that some things aren't worth fighting over.
>Maybe the renounced their religions If they didn't when they were being murdered, why would they once the war finished, also given that the cases of jew to catholic are not that frequent and taking into account the hostility of the Polish people towards the Jews I doubt that possibility.
>tfw no replies when I made an effort to make a decent thread with sources and verified records.
Aaron Allen
Maybe the census in the OP is wrong?
>>tfw no replies when I made an effort to make a decent thread with sources and verified records. Yeah Sup Forums Sup Forums is just for bantz now. I think you might have to go to 16/2 chan Sup Forums for serious discussions.
Camden Martinez
"Thus, the Bureau of the Census (The Population of Poland, pp29 and 31) says, after noting that it is impossible to strike a true balance for the Polish changes, 1939-1945: "(Even after July, 1945) millions of displaced persons milled about... Across these currents of voluntary migration moved other millions permanently expelled from their homes etc." and (p31) "War losses could have been anywhere from 2 million to 7 million persons. Either of the extreme figures seems unlikely, but the exact war losses cannot be determined precisely." (For same quote, see page l87.)"
no they died. many people think that all holocaust victims were jews, while in fact most were poles or serbs etc. also, civilians die in wars and poland was attacked by germany and the soviet union. this is why the population of poland decreased after the war
Blake Lopez
Some died from disease and eventually starvation, as well as allied bombing etc.
No one is claiming that Jews were never put in camps. Just that they weren't being gassed to death, and that the point was not to exterminate them all. I mean, if the intention is to kill them, then there's no reason to waste massive amounts of time and money on keeping them alive, or any reason to employ Jews.
David Cole (a Jew) points out in his movie 'What Holocaust?' that close to 1 million German POW's died in an allied camp after the war due to disease. It's not that Hitler was a saint. It's a dick move to throw people in camps. But America was doing the same thing. The problem is that they lied about what happened, how it happened, and how many it happened to.
Brandon Russell
Nice sources m8
Julian Diaz
>and how many may now be living behind the Iron Curtain, in Israel, in the United States, and elsewhere. I gave you the census for Israel and the U.S., for the Soviet Union I do not have but as I have stated before the antisemitism only grew worse so it wouldn't make sense to migrate to a hostile country. >Several studies make passing reference to the numerous Jews who escaped the Nazi round-ups by: (a) being secreted by non-Jewish friends; (b) using false identification papers; and (c) baptism into a Christian religious community. Those under (a) were probably not very numerous because the Nazi penalty was death for the entire family of the "good Samaritan." Some find the numbers under (b) and (c) running into the thousands or tens of thousands. >Several studies >Some >Could classify >thousands or ten of thousands That's a very bold claim with ambigous sources. >The U.S. Census Bureau report on Poland It would be nice to see this report. >Since these were thus moved "to save them from German atrocities," it would not seem unreasonable to consider at least 2 million of them to have been Jews. Kulischer, however, considers the number to have been only about 1.2 millions. Of the millions of Jews uprooted by the war, he finds (p264) that only "about 1.5 million escaped Nazi rule, some 300,000 by emigration overseas and to the neutral countries, and the remainder through evacuation to interior USSR." Okay, so the Jews escaped towards the country that had just invaded them three years ago. All right. You know, I am trying to keep the discusion focused on the polish jews but whatever. As far as I can see all this author is doing is nitpicking minor issues regarding statistical errors and explaining that the "losses" are due the postwar chaos and shifting of population yet the sources that I gave you are from the 50's and the 60's, what excuse do you have for that when the war was already over? The last refugee camp was closed in 1957
Thomas Price
So, more than 3,000,000 polish jews starved. That is not any better. >Allied bombing Sources on the RAF or the U.S. air force bombing poland? All I can find regarding that is this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frantic Which was focused on Romania and oilfields, not precisely the death camps in the middle of nowhere so there goes your argument about >muh allied bombing. >The operations were concluded in September 1944 after a three-month period
Do you have a graph, a source?, for what I can see that shit was debunked and BTFO. I gave you statistics about population changes. Your moral equivalence "argument" does not have anything to do with the the question that I asked on the OP.
Charles Smith
Allies bombed the shit out of cities. It's just the way the war was. The Germans did the same to British cities. Was it intentional bombing, and did it hit camps? Not necessarily, but not all Jews were in camps, and if I remember correctly, there is actually a camp that's being torn down (due to being bombed into oblivion) when the Soviets invaded Germany.
As for starving, that's what happens when supply lines get cut off. It's unfortunate, but it happens. Also, it's worth noting that not only was there a bit of a genocide against ethnic Germans once the capitol was sacked, but the Russians famously raped mass amounts of women. All of the 'extermination' camps were found on the eastern side where only the Russians had access to them. They then proceeded to present now-debunked 'evidence' at the Nuremberg trials, such as human-skin lampshades and human-fat soap. The Russians DID create mass graves even of their own people, and had such a vicious view of their own soldiers that Stalin refused to send any aid whatsoever to Russian POW's, in addition to his order to shoot any retreating soldiers. The Russians and Germans had a long history of propaganda going back and forth against each other. But when Germany lost, Russians went all out on the propaganda.
Jackson King
>Allies bombed the shit out of cities. What's the point here?, the jewish poles were not in Berlin, Dresden, Brandenburg, Munich, etc.. THEY WERE IN POLAND. Don't go around in circles, I asked you when did they bombed the shit out of Poland, not Germany. >not all the jews were in camps Were then? >that's what happens when supply lines get cut off
Holy shit, I am try to keep it civil but damn you are thick. Most historians agree that the bulk of the Holocaust happened between 1941 and 1944, and as I said in the OP, the principal target was polish jewry. Now the soviet reached polish lands by around August 1944, which gives us this timeline, from September 1 of 1939 until August/September 1944 they had absolute control over Poland. And since I already proved you the Allies did not bombed Poland to oblivion there goes you argument about supply lines. Right? Again, I googled "Allied bombing in the Eastern Front/Poland" and I did not get any relevant result. For your hipothesis to hold any sway, they would have to deport the poland jews towards Germany. Does that make any sense?, no, right? So, again, what happened with the polish jews since the Soviets arrived until 1944 and they were not subjugated to massive bombing and also they had the resources from Ukraine and Romania,
Landon Sanders
Fuckin cowards can't debunk shit, give them sources and hard facts and they run like bitches.
Chase Nelson
Dresden was a false flag to keep up morale you moron.
Landon Lopez
I'm still undecided on whether the holocaust was a complete fabrication or just wildly exaggerated, leaning towards the latter as there are a lot of missing people like you pointed out.
Doing the holocaust according to the official story makes absolutely no sense logistically and there's a shitload of ridiculous propaganda that appeals to emotion on the whole event that continues to be pumped out to this day, that's what makes it suspicious the most. Maybe it's just the greedy holocaust industry cheapening a real tragedy, pic related.
On the other hand, nazis are often portrayed as stylish and cool vampire like bad guys, because the powers that be want kids to imitate those values, of having different tiers of humans and abusing the "lesser" is ok
a lot of the cruel human testing propably did take place as occultists do that sort of thing on all sides, it's just misrepresented as random cruelty, when it was about personality splitting and obedience mind control techiques that involve torture.
Carter Foster
> the Russians famously raped mass amounts of women Where is your evidence?
Justin Gutierrez
>Census
>Expecting people who think they were just mass genocided for believing in a thing will admit to believing in said thing in exactly as large a quantity afterwards
Its a polling bias
They knew we were up to their schemes and tried to lay low
Jace Foster
>Where did more than 3,000,000 jews went? israel and the usa, some went to the uk and france.
Caleb Ramirez
How many went to Israel up until 1950?
Carson Thomas
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Nolan Davis
>russia >where is your evidence
hahahaha just like the meme
Kayden Morales
I don't really trust you're sources.
If you want to convince people, you need death statistics, not census data.
Nolan Wright
That census was taken in 1931. The socialist gocernment of Germany began telling/forcing Jews to leave the nation in 1937-1938. The vast majority of Jews saw theirs sheckles in danger and left German controlled regions. Only the retarded %20 of those 6,000,000 remained in Germany to rat up and the ghettos and wait to be gassed. Remember no Jews, gypsies, or Slavs were genocided until after the war began and Germany was in a backpeddle. They were losing the war and no longer had the resources to keep POWs alive. The "muh 6,000,000" meme is an example of people twisting history to push a political agenda
Parker Gomez
I understand why people challenge the grand narrative but even if the Holocaust was revealed to have been a hoax the vast majority of people still wouldn't turn into Hitler supporters.
> documents are released proving that the Holocaust didn't happen > vast majority of people: "So? Hitler was still a sexist racist bigot"
