How do you justify free healthcare being bad?

How do you justify free healthcare being bad?

because it isn't free

50% of my income goes to the state

I've had an argument with someone today but I'd like to hear mighty Sup Forums's thoughts on this.

how is it free if you pay for it?

because it is not free, it's like mandatory donation.
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ìt keeps alive people who don't contribute nothing to society, ie, niggers and homeless

>How do you justify free healthcare being bad?
>Healthcare is free
Calling it free doesnt make it so

he means free for the people who dont pay taxes at the expense of hard working people who do pay taxes

Its free if you're an immigrant who has never paid a single penny into it.

>free

all of this

What's it got to do with Peter Lorre?

Center:
Breath of provided services and associated costs
Degree of commitment to cheaper prevention services
Center right:
Too much power to government/ loss of free market for innovations
High taxes concerns
Right:
Not committed to sharing/ earners deserve better
Loss of personal responsibility - trends to collective abuse
Far right:
Dysgenics
Mind control conspiracies

>free

I don't mind paying higher taxes to help people who really need it, that is after all what patriotism is about, helping each other... I do how ever mind paying higher taxes for the Democrats' pet niggers, spics and Muslims they keep flooding our nation with and paying for useless and self-serving Washington career bureaucrats and wars for Israel.

No universal health care or universal anything if it goes to niggers, spics, Muslims or Jews. Get rid of them and then we can talk about singer-payer healthcare.

Well exactly told that to my professor today and he just won't fucking agree with me like he's such a humane person looking out for all the sandniggers/niggers like he owes them his life.

I'd go as far as saying he's trolling me so hard cause he had that smirk on his face and because I rage a lot so it's funny for the class. I think he agrees with me but doesn't want the class to have our way of looking into things. That mother fucker.

>I don't mind paying higher taxes to help people who really need it, that is after all what patriotism is about, helping each other...

So what's stopping you from making charitable donations on your own?

> there is no free lunch

> mfw it was not THAT bad during communism....

We don't need niggers living longer.

>Most of the bad ones tend to die off fairly Young

-->people are not inherently moral or even dignified
-->since i don't personally know who is benefiting from my money i can't assume they are decent people
-->i don't want to support people who harm others or harm society
easy

But there are people who suffer from illnesses, get into accidents and need surgery which would bankrupt the average worker. Universal healthcare is fine, for natives and immigrants with years of work (and paid taxes) behind them.

For most things I'm pretty libertarian, but I do think everyone should contribute to ensure that healthcare is free to the point of requirement. Even if you are a lucky cunt and never need it.

If you want to say we shouldn't prop up people who eat themselves into diabetes (+ similar self imposed sickness, trannie operations etc), then I could agree with you, but kek who needs healthcare it only helps the niggers is a terrible argument.

Or voluntarily paying more taxes

It's not free.
Trust me, I know.

Currently reading a book regarding economics and health systems, and the big thing that always sticks out like a sore thumb is that niggers seem to be a constant drain on everything and have the worst outcomes, while all other races are much less, with spics being the closest to niggers, but still niggers are twice as worse than them at best.

universal healthcare doesn't make it cheaper. if your concern is lowering the price of major health procedures you should encourage market competition.

there is also the matter that people forget or ignore, which is there is no objective fixed limit to health care, it is defined by said universal system. So people make the mistake of assuming it will cover said major accidents. No society can afford the most expensive procedure for all its citizens, that is a myth.

I hurt for you my friend

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You don't make a system that runs smoothly, punctually or with any semblance of fiscal sanity by handing them a blank check signed 'taxpayers' and letting them unionize.

Saved.

Europe I suspect will get less socialist once they start seeing how their niggers behave in a socialist system.

The reason they've gotten away with being socialist for so long is, how did Hunter S Thompson put it? The inherent decency of the White Man?

Fortunately most people don't need the most expensive operations. Back home (UK) if someone runs you down in their car, you don't have to pay for your surgery. This pretty much applies for anything to my understanding. Everything is covered, as long as the treatment is approved by the NHS or whoever and doctors say you need it.

I agree with you that the free market would probably provide cheap alternatives for the poor fags (like myself in upbringing), but the richest shouldn't get outstanding care while the poor are crammed in. For services that everyone needs and everyone wants to receive equal treatment from I think the richer should pay more (flat rate tax would be ideal) and I don't see this happening if it isn't funded by the government.

If everyone got healthcare at a reasonable rate it would be fine. But I don't like paying extra for someone else to spend 50 bucks a fucking month on their healthcare

Perspective: in the US, there are some (not many, but some) doctors, surgeons, etc. who do not accept insurance, much less government programs. They charge less than the Co-pay for many insurance plans because they have none of that overhead or obligation to patch up penniless gangbanging niggers brought there after a gun battle at 3am.

And to add, my healthcare costs close to 400 fucking dollars a month for a single 27 year old male so that someone else can get their "free insurance" fuck them.

Why the devil shouldn't the rich be able to pay more for the most skilled people (who have very limited time) and services (like a helicopter to get to the hospital)? A bum on the street simply hasn't contributed enough to society to warrant that expenditure, but it should be available for purchase to those with the funds.

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low quality
Here is free but you're better paying a company for better service

Poor people suuuuuuuuck

ERs are also complete and utter money sinks, which is also why newer facilities are starting to phase them out. ERs are nothing more than glorified and overworked charities for niggers and illegals

This is close to the level of sheboon I see everyday at the pharmacy I work at, and they get pissy when their metformin and insulin are more than $5 total in co-pay

Can someone elaborate on the highlighted "Education" part? thanks.

>So what's stopping you from making charitable donations on your own?

I'm not a Government agency.

No such thing as free.

The future isn't gonna be socialist or capitalist. It will be post currency economy where no humans have jobs and everything is automated. AI will just lead everything. The way blacks are to whites now is what all humans will be to AI robots.

Because in reality universal healthcare helps the plebs on £25k (40k$) more often than it helps the bum on the street. If the bum is also receiving care in the UK it is my understanding that they have to enter a rehab program (or back to work program) to try and turn them back into tax payers. You also have to remember that the bum is descended from tax payers (and if they aren't they don't get it free, thanks Dave). I also don't want dead beggars (as much as I hate them) on my street corners.

But desu that point was more directed at a no government care plan. In the UK the rich pay to support national health, and also have the option to pay private businesses for better service, which I don't have a issue with.

>free

>How do you justify free healthcare being bad?
False advertisement

Free health care is a meme.

As a cucknadian it took me awhile to realize this since I'm indoctrinated early as fuck to believe national health care is god tier.

But then you dig into it and you find out how wasteful it is, how awful the actual service and care is, how absurdly overpaid our nurses are (aka poop cleaners) and how much power their unions have and you realize it's a fucking joke. Not to mention wait times and out dated tech.

Free healthcare is a fucking meme. I would gladly trade the 30% extra I pay in income tax to have private health care and pay a higher fee the one or two times every few years I have to see a doctor.

Dental isn't free and people get by.

The problem is people seem to think that Healthcare is something you have to go to and use regularly... but you don't, that's part of the meme. All the Canadians and others here ask yourselves really, hoe many times have you legitimately NEEDED to go to a hospital?

I have spent far more in taxes already than I would have in the US for any major operations. The difference us when you finish paying your bill it's gone. I will never stop paying those taxes, ever.

Universal healthcare / NHS is a meme.

charity doesn't work unless it has a cute picture of something or is emotional. Example is alot of ugly animals that are actually needed for the health of their ecosystem, think bugs or some other creepy crawler, that are endandgered receive less donations to save it compared to the panda who is useless to an environment overall. Panda gets more donations because its cute vs some bat that's guano fertilizes the forest. In human society the real important things would just be passed over for identity politics. The sewer and water systems would be neglected for pride parades or BLM shit.

Easy:
"""Free""" healthcare ALWAYS leads to rationing - currently NHS has 3.2 mil people in waiting lines, and waiting lines are everywhere, even in Norway, also less innovations (see pic), worse quality and it's also a heavy burden for any society with aging population (and will become even more so in the future).

>How do you justify free healthcare being bad?

1stly: "free". kek


And to actually answer your question, swedecuck:
>Because then muslims and niggers can afford it.

To add tax funded health insurance can only really work if you have strict laws or rules which say you have to eat healthy and exercise. Healthy people just use health insurance less if ever. I doubt we will get to see laws like this implemented since the new craze is everyone is healthy at every size.

Free health care is good. Allowing parasites to use free healthcare is bad for the country.

Make medical professionals volunteer their services either a set number of years post graduation or a number of months a year, say 3 for 5 years or so post graduation.

>what's stopping you from making charitable donations on your own?
Taxes that use up the money that would have been available for charity?

When your average population looks like this, "free" healthcare is a huge drain on economy. Canada voted this law when going to the hospital meant getting an aspirin or a cast. Now you can sink an incredible amount of money on a single idiot who doesn't want to eat right, exercise or even stop smoking.

They only thing keeping this nonsense going on here is the fear that we revert to some predatory, for-profit, health care like the US, where you have to remortage your house for a simple 2-hour surgery.

Because alot of people just flat out won't get healthy and will be in the mindset of "hey I can be fat and lazy as fuck because whatever problems I get will be treated (not cured) with my free health insurance).

This I agree with. Some public healthcare in competition with private healthcare.

As long as the government is banned from selling off the public healthcare, it actually works.

Here is my personal reason. If anyone feels my logic is flawed, feel free to correct me. I enjoy civil discourse.

>payment for the system is accomplished by increasing tax revenue >in a perfect world everyone pays an equal amount of taxes to cover their "share"
>mind you this will hardly ever be the case
>taxes go up, less disposable income
>now, any kind of private medical care is going to be either unaffordable or simply unavailable
>basically end up being stuck with having to trust that the government is going to efficiently, effectively, and fairly manage the entire country's healthcare

Us Americans have a distrust in government coursing through our veins. I don't think they could manage it as well as the decentralized private sector.

"Free healthcare" in America basically means a giant handout to shitskins

Do you not live in a country where children are taken into state education at a year old? A successful educucktion programme for the natives must require indoctrination at a young age.

fpbp

Nothing in life is free

Because it's not free you retard.

>free healthcare
>taxpayer funded health care

BAKA, Sven.

Ideologically, I don't think there's an American sense of aversion to a single-payer system. The issue is, we'll never get there without Tort Reform.

Personal Injury Lawsuits and insurance fraud/companies are the root of the American Healthcare system problems. That and indigent care for illegals and inner city poor.

To get rid of cancer, you have to cut out the cancer. To get rid of these problems, you have to address the actual problems, not the symptoms.

How do you convince all the doctors, nurses, technicians, drug companies, medical equipment companies, and others to provide their services free of charge?

>Us Americans have a distrust in government coursing through our veins.

More people die awaiting treatment

How do you justify over dependence on the government?

You of all people should see the problems with over dependence on the government, just look at what happens to Swedish girls, who's protecting them? Nobody, some feminists don't even want to be protected, they want to get raped by Achmeds.

Your government just imports more rapefugees.

Communist Achmed.

kek.

it asks healthcare professional to wallow in lowest common denominator mediocrity and forego competition to be better

It lowers quality and impacts availability, and involves coercion for all those who enter the system for healthcare (much less choice, forced actions etc.)

>free

Found the highschooler

Saaaaage it

Free health care is when you go to a doctor and he offers you free services out of the kindness of his heart.
What you advocate is forced health care, which is like holding a gun to a doctors head and telling him to fix you up.

Because people who are skilled in the medical field (think heart or brain surgeons) deserve to be paid well. Not so much for bankers, money lenders and insurance salesmen.

OP here, you guys are shredding me(with lovely juicy facts)

but for once

I DO NOT SUPPORT """""free""""" healthcare!!! I just had an argument with a cucked up the ass liberal swede and I told him precisely what this thread is posting "b-b-but poor Mohammed bin-trashcan who will ever pay for his face scratched from the girl he r--r-rraped!" is all of his counter argument. btw we're both reading this thread (which is why I posed it) and I think you guys hurt his feeling, I think he's legit crying in the other room.

non the less thanks for the educating thread.

good, now get off this board and fix your massively cucked country

> Mohammed bin-trashcan
My sides

I'm trying to redpill my computer engineering course, so far progress is showing, I know that when I have friends justifying Hitlers actions and greeting each other with sieg heil, and a whole small (non degenerate army) to back eachother up from dindu's and what have you, but we live in a white neighborhood and there's actually no minorities in my engineering course.. Which to be expected. So it's actually going not that bad for me.

Actual Americans, not niggers and communists imported to prop up the Democrats.

Healthcare isn't free you mongoloid. Learn to ask questions properly.