>While Stone has fond memories of the early days (see: ''Best'' list), his co-creator says he wouldn't cry too hard if the show's first 48 episodes, starting with ''Cartman Gets an Anal Probe,'' were wiped from history. >Parker: If I had to permanently erase anything from the library, it would basically be anything before season 4. It's just embarrassing to watch. Okay, we were, like, 26, 27. But it's like, ''Really? We thought that was funny? We thought that was well-written? Oh my God, this is terrible.''
He's actually pretty easy on himself, as someone in the creative business, I hate everything I ever made.
Landon Rodriguez
>dub dubs checked
also that logic is dumb, as comedy changes. some comedy is timeless but as a kid me and my m8s thought South Park was funny af desu
Jace Hughes
That's the curse of the artist, when you start something it's a good idea but after you finish it you've already learned everything about it so it seems bad in hindsight even though it's not
Chinpokomon is a great episode. I watched it with a Japanese guy who found it hilarious too.
Mason Young
yeah sure some of the older episodes haven't aged the best, but they're still funnier than any of the garbage made in the last 10 seasons at least.
Ryder Jones
He's not wrong; the first three seasons are objectively bad. The show starts picking up steam in the fourth season with the fifth season the first great season.
The golden age of South Park was from season 5 to 10.
The noticeable decline in quality begins with the abhorrent Imaginationland three-parter.
Cooper Thomas
Nah, great artists who possess amazing skill like Bernini, Rodin, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Monet etc... knew their work was one of a kind masterpieces that nobody else could do. Pretty sure it's only insecure dilettantes who obsess over not being good enough.
Lincoln Edwards
Honestly this. There isn't a creator alive that doesn't just see their previous work as a big list of flaws
Dylan Brooks
>calls his opinions objective >flagrant reddit spacing >thinks SP was good after 1999 loling @ this kiddo
Isaac Butler
The earlier ones were the only good ones
Ryan Allen
I forgot how many guest stars they used to have in the early days. I wonder if Parker hated that aspect, as well.
Parker Price
Yeah, no. Seasons 5 through 8 were better.
Luis Roberts
check em
Leo White
What do you dislike about Imaginationland?
Luke Harris
Seasons 1-3 were literally the best episodes though, or at least the most charming.
The last 9 seasons have been terrible. Talk about a case of George Lucas syndrome.
Landon Lopez
That'd wipe out the movie, the hack.
Oliver Fisher
different user, but there was no need for a 3 parter
they got in the habit of making multi part shows so they could release them on dvd before christmas
Jace Stewart
Yeah, no.
Dylan Jackson
Not that retard, but that whole subplot about Kyle having to suck Cartman's balls was so stupid and forced. Aside from that, most of the appeal was just referential humor, a type of humor they ironically criticized in the Family Guy episode.
The first South Park movie was far better (IE: the one that was made during season 3).
John Roberts
You now remember the Radiohead appearance
Adrian Cruz
I hated the 3 parter with the guinea pigs and coon and friends
>Pop-culture reference are not substitutes for jokes. This was a Big Bang Theory episode
Levi Cruz
Exactly, a part of South Parks likability early on was how little they actually tried. It's like they were just two young potheads writing the first thing that came to their mind and making a shitty cartoon out of it.
Nowadays you can actually see that they try too much, and I don't like it.
Nicholas Sanders
Dude stop posting clips from the rain forest episode, yes it was funny but you're just being cringe right now
Cameron Torres
They're fucking arseholes, their work peaked long before episode 48. Fuck them and their preachy libertarian muh garrison is trump memba berry horseshittery
Joseph Bennett
>they were better back when they smoked weed lmao Dude, no.
Landon James
Well, he can suck on my chocolate salty balls, or did he come up with a single gag even remotely as funny on the last incredibly shitty season of South Park?
Bentley Nelson
Fuck you guys. Best season was season 6.
Gavin Reyes
The early stuff has aged better than most of the post-S10 stuff, the ones that are centered around news stories that people don't even remember anymore
Christopher Rodriguez
I agree, the first four are pretty unwatchable
Mason Ortiz
I will defend 15 Seasons of South Park being good (and even the latter seasons having a great episode or two) but Parker is getting fucked in the head if he's serious with that.
Season 1 was lovably rough just like Season 1 of the Simpsons. Season 2 of South Park is fucking GOLD though and quite possibly the best season of the show. How can he not love Underpants Gnomes? youtube.com/watch?v=3zc4bGkU05o
Liam Edwards
He has bad taste and jewish sense of shame.
The first three seasons were better than any of the continuing plot episodes
>jewish sense of shame. That's some bullshit kikes made up to keep pushing the "we are the victims! So weak and filled with shame!" Jews may be evil but they are incredible smart, the big overlord bit does not work if you want to reign (just look what happened to hitler) the masses are more comfortable if they think you are that weak harmless guy
Jonathan Price
>comparing commercial creatives to artistic one-in-a-billion inhuman outliers duh
Caleb Murphy
If that's your first post then read the thread then, someone already posted a clip from that episode and they were courteous enough to use one clip to make a point instead of splurging like you
Lincoln Evans
lol I *only* rewatch the first 3 seasons. they got progressively worse after that.
the episodes from the first 3 seasons are iconic and the source of 99% of south park's fame and source of most of its most beloved memes.
south park is literally family guy tier garbage these days
Matthew Lopez
I agree. Funny, you see so many people criticizing "new" South Park (seasons 9-18, I've heard this argument for like 10 years now) for being too topical, relying too much on celebrities and hamfisting messages, but when you look at the earlier seasons, especially seasons 1-4 or so they're largely based around celebrities that haven't been relevant for over a decade, making fun of important topics of the time and literally every episode ended with the kids saying "You see, I learned something today...". Also Chef, his shtick got old by the second season and I didn't miss him as he appeared less and less with each season until his death.
Ryan Cruz
someone post the ending credits joke from Chickenlovers
Tyler Phillips
The celebrities referenced in early south park weren't even relevant at the time or they were entirely used for a joke like Korn--in neither case were they 'topical'
Jack Ortiz
>Missing what he's saying about Jewish shame What a goy you are. This video illustrates the way Jews act, no point in you watching it though since it'll go over your head. youtube.com/watch?v=7HoSGPQ80Vc
Liam Hall
>crying about someone posting multiple clips of a funny episode Yeah you really are a moron. Go back to the forum you came from.
Ethan Flores
kek
David Carter
>he couldnt stop thinking about sucking his best friends balls the entire episode
kek
Andrew James
>he doesn't think Barbra Streisand was topical back in the 90s
Lucas Hall
it's not the artist's place to judge the value of his own work. that's the job of his patrons. the first few seasons are the best. now we have all these underage redditors trying to pretend the later seasons are good. they aren't
Jeremiah Moore
Why don't you just post the whole episode then, or better yet a pic of yourself because you're the biggest joke itt
David Rivera
The NAMBLA episode was pretty great
Carson Garcia
Keep digging yourself deeper, you're still an idiot at the end of the day.
Ryder Davis
Trey just seems like he may have emotional/mental issues. He had anxiety issues and considered killing himself (or at least claims to have thought about it) in the lead up to the first airing of the World of Warcraft ep, because he thought it was so bad and that everyone would hate it and that it would kill the series.
Fun fact: the Imaginationland song was ripped off from a song that Chauncey dies in Wonder Showzen, a show done by Vernon Chatman who is a colleague of Matt and Trey.
Jackson Lee
>hurr derr call him a redditor >hurr derr type keep digging yourself deeper You're the scum of this board, you're posts are low quality just like your contribution to society
Christian Smith
as far as i remember they just personally hated barbera streisshand because she was talking shit about their town like a stuck up cunt. she is a cunt. i mean she's a kike that makes and sells christmas music
Levi Hughes
My Dad was an old conservative type, he thought The Simpsons was crude and stupid. He HATED Bart Simpson and was annoyed that I thought he was cool and funny. And don't get me started on how my Dad protested me watching MTV specifically Tom Green Show and then Jackass. If it wasn't Sports or News he had no interest.
He caught me in the den watching "Cartman Joins Nambla" and sat in to watch the "garbage" I enjoyed and ended up laughing hysterically at the absurdity of it all. The only other cartoon I can remember him enjoying is King of the Hill. If that's not high praise of how good classic South Park was I don't know what is. Parker is retarded for talking bad about it.
Charles Evans
Still awesome. Even the throwaway jokes are funny. It's strange how that in reflection the kids swearing is still funny. Maybe because it's so casual and you kind of know it was edgy for the time, but now these big long emotional tirades and mature themes sort of take away from that type of humour.
Camden Morgan
i always thought maybe there was some sort of bad memories associated with the earlier seasons because mary kay bergman blew her brains out all over the christmas presents. it's got to be hard remembering her every time you see an old episode on
Juan Morgan
I think it's hard to shove aside the early seasons if you got to watch them as an actual kid, which I did. But they're completely right, the show starts a visible incline in writing in season 4 and continues to climb each season til season 7, where it manages to plateau for a good few more seasons. Imaginationland was clearly them giving up on writing a season's worth of material but since normies liked it they made it a trend to include two/three patters in every run of episodes after that. Then they had the Book of Mormon going on and basically handed the show off to other writers, which is why the show became so tonally uneven. And the three serialized seasons they did were an obvious mistake, thank fucking god they see that now. South Park is still a cash grab at this point but I really really hope we get a couple good episodes for once.
I'm still mad about how little they try though - seasons 7-8 are fucking gold and they made those doing Team America at the same time. They're talented as fuck when they really go for it
Levi Hall
I always thought it was really shocking that they had Mayor McDaniels (who was formerly VA'd by Bergman) attempt suicide in Die Hippy Die by shooting herself. I mean yes that's just a fictional character she voiced but it'd be like if The Simpsons had Troy McClure get shot by his cokehead wife.
David Moore
>Parker wanted to kill himself over what would be the most critically and popularly lauded episode of the series What a gigantic faggot
Levi Torres
That episode was straight garbage.
Nicholas Turner
I am kino Patrician and this user is absolutely correct
Nathaniel Campbell
Objectively the best episode.
Mason James
But those episodes are better than anything they've done in the last 5 years.
Josiah Watson
they had jokes back then, is that what he doesn't like?
Zachary Brooks
real reason is the "message" doesn't sync up with the modern one.
James Lewis
nah that was the best episode followed by the south park movie
Lucas White
k dude
Ryder Martin
>it'd be like if The Simpsons had Troy McClure get shot by his cokehead wife.
Yeah, instead they just made a joke about Andy Dick's drug use
Charles Adams
t. WoW faggot
Caleb Hill
Gnomes is genius. Fuck Trey Parker.
Daniel Roberts
Just imagine how mr wubba lubba dubdub is going to feel in a few years
Ian Myers
>it only got good from season 5
What are you talking about, season 4 was great
Jason Barnes
I have standards and taste unlike you faggots. I haven't watched south park in three years and don't post on this shit board more than twice a month
Dylan Smith
wow...3 whole years since you turned 15?
Daniel Hernandez
it's the JUST talking
Liam Garcia
Holy fuck dude don't post shit like that outside of "rekt" threads in Sup Forums, I just feel sad for the parents who birthed that horrific deformity
Christian Sanders
Hes completely right. South park was retarded garbage for its initial seasons, and experienced a golden age between season 4 and 9. I wouldn't want it erased from history though
Kayden Sanders
As someone in the creative business (I make white nationalists propaganda and frog memes) I'm generally happy with all of my work and look back on it fondly. Often with surprised admiration.
Owen Ortiz
first seasons were the best desu
Aaron Davis
>libertarian
Shirley you jest
Anthony Hall
>Bernini, Rodin, Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Monet
All fretted over evey piece they ever made and often destroyed their earliest works.
David Brooks
No they didn't.
Xavier Morales
Yes, they did.
Austin White
Did you just get libertarian and liberal mixed up?
Cooper Richardson
>I'll use my credit card every fucking time
Nicholas Myers
ok
Ian Campbell
South Park has always been fundamentally reactionary; those pushing for change are wrong no matter what change they push for. Nothing is a bigger crime to Matt and Trey than Giving a Shit. Their ideology is apathetic-libertarian; whether you’re on the left or the right, if you’re asking me to change my behavior, you suck. As it stands, the political left tends to push for more change than the political right does; as it stands, Matt and Trey admit they dislike conservatives and “really fucking hate” liberals. It isn’t about left or right; it’s about change versus comfort. If you’re trying to change something, they think you’re annoying. And they think you’re lame, because caring about stuff is lame. It’s the same attitude that establishes “u mad” and “butthurt” as the ultimate trump cards in internet arguments: caring is for losers, and if you become personally invested in politics you’re part of the problem. Uncritical, detached acceptance of the status quo is the only morally upright posture, and those who draw a distinction between is and ought are all smug bullies, outlandish freaks, and/or closed-minded zealots. It’s a show that teaches its audience to become lazy and self-satisfied, that praises them for being uncritically accepting of their own biases, and that provides them with an endless buffet of thought-terminating cliches suitable for shutting down all manner of challenges to their comfort zones. South Park is a place where you never have to have your assumptions challenged. It’s a place where you’re always right, you shouldn’t bother to think, and the people asking you to change your mind are annoying busybodies and prigs who should just shut up and leave you alone.
Chase Brooks
well then it looks like you've already filled your quota, you can leave now
Juan Young
I remember the bits with stone and parker introducing the episodes on the old VHS just those bits alone were so unique and funny unlike anything at the time
David Barnes
dat DivX watermark
Easton Collins
Cringe is a Sup Forums word
Lincoln Wilson
>Jews may be evil Yes,an entire religion is made of cartoonesque rabbi rubbing their hand and cackling like witches asking in a Pinky-esque voice "Gee,David,what are we going to do tonight ?"
Chase Gray
Copyspasta is still ture even if it's a copypasta that come from a website that isnt Sup Forums
