What makes eastern europe so much worse to live in than the west despite having a white population?
Can it all be blamed on the soviet union and slow recovery ever since?
Was the soviet union itself always shit?
Medieval russia was also more poor than the west, so really what is the reason?
If you sold all your news, television, companies to USA and your neighbor isn't USA, then you deserve what you get. Romania and Poland migrate, sell everything to USA, then they wonder why industry doesn't thrives at home.
It's not that bad here, atleast not for my family, me and my group of friends.
Crapitalism.
>Blaming the collapse of the soviet union on capitalism
>Amerifat education
GDP isn't the fullest indicator. Russia isn't anywhere near what it was, even when GDP shows how they recovered. Industry in hands of people, that benefits people isn't the same as billionaires of modern Russia who don't benefit people.
Khazar oligarchs and ex KGB people are still running the country. They have no business thinking whatsoever and only thing they know is how to embezzle money. Corruption pulls down the economy and no one is interested in investing their money or time on this soil
What about slovenia?
Any eastern european country is worse off than western
Czechia and Hungary had better GDP per capita than most W.European states before gommunism. You tell me
Alcoholism. If Slavs got sober they'd be a force to be reckoned with.
But that's a big
> if
I'm talking about all of esatern europe though
in general terms living conditions are better anywhere in the west, even spain or italy, than anywhere in the east. Also wages are better
>worse living
We have almost same HDI as the UK. Fucking kike.
Slovenia is breddy gud, living standards are around those of Spain. This was also during yugoslav times.
Are you serious? How is living in Italy/Spain better? South Spain is the poorest and most nigger filled area in EU. Italy is second most nigger filled area. Israel is a totally failed country on other hand, you get free money from USA and religion based money, you are actually biggest crap of humanity. Israel is stolen land, founded by free money, biggest leech on planet.
Why are you comparing yourself to a middle eastern country?
It is the same problem there to. Financial clans of ex KGB people and USSR communist parties are holding the grip and control in postsoviet countries. Western jews are trying to buy these lands for as cheap as possible through any means.
Jew propaganda you are just angry the West Euros are the only good goys you have kike shit.
I mean as a white person in a white neighbourhood
USA donations are less than 1% of israels GDP mate
No it's nit that eastern europeans are more red pilled and less cucked than the west
It's the Russian influence, it fucks over everything it touches. Russia prefers totalitarian rule, it doesn't respect the freedom and liberties of the little people.
Genghis Khan mindset - expand and expand more, then rule with an iron fist.
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Israel is da country of god, even Vatican is connected to you. Every religious person on planet is filling budget of Israel. When you get married, you have a funeral, that's all money for church and eventually flows to Israel.
slavs are gross drunks. neets before that was a thing. that's why all their women are getting the hell out.
>implying American relationships/marriages work
I'm pretty comfy where I am. You niggers can fuck each other and preach lgbt in kindergartens and welcome refugees all you want, I'll stick to my bear vodka balalaika and laugh at you
>What makes eastern europe so much worse to live in than the west despite having a white population?
its better there but only superficial idiots dont see that
better in most important ways
there are a few really run down towns/areas but thats always the case
Wow, sorry about nigger, kike. Too drunk to look at your flag.
You know that most of these women are trash. The good ones stay.
Average wage is much lower, which makes your opportunities lower
In what way do you feel it's better in there? because of no mudslimes?
Russia is filled with mudshits also. Even worse than Germany.
If you think that shitskins don't kill/rape without justice, you're wrong
It's half accurate, because we also sold to Italians, French and so on and keep selling.
>Too drunk to look at your flag.
Slavic people are literally white niggers
It's better in the way that life is more relaxed. You have the time to enjoy life if you have the means to.
I don't speak in the name of the whole eastern European nations, but at least in our case it's a combination of very unlucky positioning in between larger powers than ourselves, communism which ravaged our homeland and started a general mistrust for the local population because of the effectiveness of the secret police. (You literally had no idea who was or could have been an informer) . All those topped with corruption and bad governance as the wealthy remain in power while the poor don't really do anything about it.
Peasants are too uneducated to start anything and educated people from cities simply don't have it bad enough to actually change anything.
It's a constant state of limbo and acceptance which dominates the landscape.
I for one am more than comfy where I am and with my lifestyle so i would have no reason to change anything; Furthermore I feel that's the case for most of the people I know.
But who's is behind the curtain? What do you think? All those Croatian mega companies that come to Slovenia and want to buy our companies, behind the curtain is always international transaction and owner sitting in USA. WW1, WW2 and ever other war is about control over land, but there is also economical control. International stocks and financial ratings are run by USA. Socialism wasn't plugged to this system, this system started to get revived in early 90ies, while British were part of it for 300 years or more, non-stop.
Nothing much has changed from when Ceausescu was selling us dirt cheap outsiders. Nowadays, insanely complicated bureaucracy and legislation is making it hell for local businesses to do anything, and the current government wants it that way, so that multinationals can come in here and bring immediate wealth.
How are you enjoying the whore life, user?
That is my general opinon also.
I know I know. Goatfuckers are everywhere. If only it was possible to lock em all up in their mountains and be done with it..
Not much trouble now though, at least where I live, 2000-2008 we was at fucking war with them.
Dumb people that want money. That's all about it - no conspiracy theory.
Fuck off retard.
Eugenics in a sense that in the easter slav world anyone who was just a tad rebelious, smart, outstanding, individualistic was removed from the genepoll by various tyrannical means.
Then you end up with a shitty civilization of yesmen, slave mentality, ignorant shits and criminals.
Ever wondered why north korea or china never had an proper uprising? Blame hundreds of years of breeding only the "right" people.
Oh and soviet communism was the nail in the coffin for slavs who were finally rising from the sewers in the early 1900's
no time to build the industries and stuff like that that props up economy to western levels, while the western portion was thriving and piling up wealth everyone in the east was stifled, made illegal to prosper and anyone with a brain killed in the soviet union
it's actually impressive some of these in a mere 20 years managed to accumulate comparable wealth, like the czech republic and poland
>I for one am more than comfy where I am and with my lifestyle so i would have no reason to change anything; Furthermore I feel that's the case for most of the people I know.
fuck off there are more Romanians abroad that in Romania.
I kek'd at croatian megacompanies
There are 19 million people currently living in Romania with 3 million diaspora.
We're the Mexico of Europe in the sense that the educated people who can get a job, are likely to remain in the country as wages are decent if you're not a halfwit.
We are indeed sending crime abroad and it's your own damn fault you joined the EU (and subsequently let us join the EU)
Fuck you, I'm making an important point.
Even the living conditions in the niggered south of Spain and Italy are better than the Eastern Europe
I don't really care about a random tourist's opinion over Romania.
what point are you trying to make FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA?
>implying Fyrom is better
>USSR fucks us up
>USSR falls
>economy is shit and needs some time to recover
>US interests show up and start to fuck us up turning us basically into slaves
>never allowed to recover again because you don't want emancipation of slaves
>try to emancipate a bit
>get bombed by NATO
etc.
pretty much this, in our case dude who triggered the revolution from commies to cappies was good for the revolutionary job but sucked as leader of the state. Fucked our economy hard. Now its fine tho.
we are 1st world gypsy
>Europe
Nope. Everything east of Germany and Austria is worthless. Purge it.
You know what? I love my country. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
communism for the most part and the culture of nihilism it brought as it provide us with a jaded point of view towards life and unwillingness to make changes
our native cultures help as we have somewhat mystic view of the world removing ones agency from the grand scale of things that comes with synergy with the abbove
in the case of the balkans as an added "bonus" we had turks wreking shit for several hundreds of years - crushing our aristocracy and any notable intelligentsia
so yeah it's a shitty place but it's getting better if the world have no major hickups in 20 years or so we might become decent is a bit lacking compared to the west
That was a bit luckier for you.
We got the commie out, but he just got replaced with another commie.
I remember those times. Literally the first thing Iliescu said after the fall of Ceaucescu was the he just received a congratulatory phone call from Moskow.
Then they went ahead and sold state assets for 1$/company ( I wish I was joking ).
Things won't truly change until the political parties formerly affiliated with the communist govt will die out. and that's going to take forever because most of the peasants still vote with PSD (Social democratic party) which is essentially gommunism 2.0; Also they were the lying cunts that tried to build the Mosque here.
The fucked up part is, I understand them because the policies of other parties are usually oriented towards urbanization and urban life while leaving aside the peasantry which still constitutes the majority.
That being said, the impressionable majority will be clearly persuaded to vote with whomever gives them something.
it's a sad, sad world we live in.
still love this place with all my heart however. it's my homeland and as shitty as it is, one day i will make a difference.
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>is the largest retail joint-stock company in Croatia
Nowhere it will say it isn't 100% Croatian, everywhere they will claim they are 100% Croatian.
But then:
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>Politično dogajanje v Sloveniji je pospešilo finančno angažiranje Agrokorjevih svetovalcev v Londonu in ZDA
Translation:
Political developments in Slovenia has accelerated engagement of Agrokor's financial advisors in London and the US.
yes, you are a first world gypsy in the sense that you're a gypsy who went to the first world.
your picture looks like the outskirts of some random shitty town from bumfuck moldova.
btw have you seen the butthurt on this video
Eastern Europe has almost recovered from communism. Slovenia, Czechia and Estonia are almost Western tier, and the others are slightly behind but will get there eventually. Things were fucked up here only during the 90s, even the mid 00s weren't that bad with the pre-2007 economic boom.
The only actual shitholes are countries in Eastern Eastern Europe. Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Russia are fucking shitholes and have been stuck in the late 90s for years, but the rest have been okay-ish for the past 5-10 years.
Why are romanian malls so small? Here our malls are huge
yes, because people care about our fucking brand image when ultimately it doesn't matter
again i'm not seeing your point - you're posting some travelguide from a random tourist; should i be offended that he doesn't like Cluj?
I don't like it either lol, so what?
gl m8
It's only been 25 years, the growth has been remarkable in many countries actually. Europe is slowly moving towards it's natural state where north vs south is the divide rather than west vs east
what the fuck are you even talking about?
Why do romanians get butthurt so easily? Abroad you spent half the time explaining you are not a gypsy
because if you know we're gypsies we can't steal your wallet.
when i say your, i mean civilized people - not slavic alexander the great wannabe nations
>Social democratic party
>democracy
>socialism
pick one
Socialism doesn't votes political parties. If anything Social democrats were the part of Communistic party that wanted independence, since every politician during Socialism was part of Communistic party. I can call my political party: the great teddy bear party for justice and freedom. Political party names aren't political systems of laws.
Look at a map of indexes such as HDI or GPD PPP per capita. To this day you can see that it corresponds with the borders of communist regime.
Why are romanian buses so small? Here we have double deckers with ac
I wasn't picking up on their name. Literally their members are former members of the PCR (Partidul Comunist Roman) ; Their political tendencies are the same. They vote for censorship, they vote for abnormality, they vote for socialism.
It basically developed completely separate from the rest of the world and thus has a different set of (shitty) values
stole two busses from England now, did we?
I bet you held a parade and mentioned Alexander when you got them back as " war spoils "
Eastern Europe has always been poor/ undeveloped. Stop blaming gommunism please. Pic related.
Yep, school in America is a joke. They make it so boring it's pretty much impossible to retain any information let alone stay awake.
when it wasn't russian communism, it was ottoman conquest
do you even history?
Did you just listen what i told you? Every politician alive was part of Communistic party, since it was the only political party. Socialism had different laws which those people in previous system called Socialism had to obey. Now we have democracy and they obey different laws, they obey democratic laws, they obey EU laws, they obey international laws. Socialism ended when you got independent and it even more ended with EU. Political parties in EU follow EU laws, so you can vote anybody you want, they don't make decisions. Left/right political poles didn't exist during Socialism, that's a capitalistic aka democratic invention.
SO what is the reason?
>Did you just listen what i told you? Every politician alive was part of Communistic party, since it was the only political party. Socialism had different laws which those people in previous system called Socialism had to obey. Now we have democracy and they obey different laws, they obey democratic laws, they obey EU laws, they obey international laws. Socialism ended when you got independent and it even more ended with EU. Political parties in EU follow EU laws, so you can vote anybody you want, they don't make decisions. Left/right political poles didn't exist during Socialism, that's a capitalistic aka democratic invention.
I understand your opinion, but I strongly disagree with it. You know why? because it's just a facade;
They're forced to embrace new values whilst clinging to the old ones regardless, and trying to enforce V2.0 of the same authoritarian laws we had 30 years ago. Best example being censorship of the media and of the individual.
They don't really obey international laws, because if they did - there would be no corruption for example, yet corruption is rampant. Should I continue? or did you understand the general idea ?
>Can it all be blamed on the soviet union and slow recovery ever since?
yes, mostly.
>Medieval russia was also more poor than the west
Tsar Nicholas II was one of the richest men of all time.
Like the other guy said, we have the disadvantage of being inbetween major powers throughout history and consistently making bad choices
(((Soros))) is also one of the richest but it doesn't make HunGayry be rich or anything
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the only thing keeping central-eastern europe relevant
when it fell everything went to shit
most of the scientific development happens when we were colonized, so even if it were Poles doing the reserch that chart will still count it as an achivement of the colonial empire
European leaders are against nationalism, Socialism or Communism. The founding fathers of EU were anti-nationalism. EU and NATO started not even 5 years after WW2. Now who won WW2 and took over all the media? It's totally illegal for politicians to create Communism, they get fired the first day if they don't read EU laws. Conspiracies like that are bunch of bullshit. Have you ever worked anywhere in government? You think you are going to go against EU and internationalism? This doesn't works like in your conspiracy theory, people irl get fired if they don't jump how they being told. Socialism didn't had plastic money and international transactions.
>Can it all be blamed on the soviet union and slow recovery ever since?
Yes.
Communism, government corruption and severe brain drain. Most inteligent slavs migrate to the west.
>most populous nations at the top
Who would've guessed, right? Fuck off and go make me a pizza.
>Russia,Austria Hungary not populous
I have a job, earn a decent wage (meaning I don't have to worry about bills and food), and I like living here. If you can manage to gain financial security and don't worry too much about major material gain its a good place to live, the only bad thing is the horrible system for public services such as getting your ID, public hospitals, etc.
But I would rather wait 20 days for a drivers license approval than be in danger of getting killed by an AK47 in the streets of my capital by Abdul any day.
Have you ever considered that it's a shitty place geographically? I thought Jew's are supposed to be smart, I guess not. There are other problems too, like the fact that Slavs are by nature corrupt as fuck, but it should be obvious that Russia with its one warm water port can't do as much as a country that has the Mediterranean across it's border.
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the only thing keeping central-eastern europe relevant
Nice, except for the fact that we failed to jump on the bandwagon of absolutism and remained in a state of a cleptocratic oligarchy. There is a reason as to why partitions went rather smoothly.
>tfw no Srebnice happening again
>why even live
It's no conspiracy and communism is legal; What are you even talking about?
Presumably if a communist party is democratically elected, it has the right to hold power. I don't know if it's the same case for Slovenia, but i am 100% sure that it's the case for Romania.
What kind of conspiracy theory are you talking about? these are all tangible realities that we face.
reminder that everyone outside these borders is not really european
>says the italian who's country has more niggers than all of eastern europe combined
ok, master-race
>Have you ever considered that it's a shitty place geographically?
This isn't exactly a state of things, especially past a certain technological era. Within mere two decades of interwar period we managed to advance by leaps and bounds.
You should read EU laws or laws of your country a little, since every politician has to obey those. Nobody is reading Ceausescu laws. I don't know you imagine this to work, but people have their families to feed, they follow like dogs, nothing is ever going to change because you voted another dog. You have to kill the ruling class to create Socialism, they not simply going to give you Socialism or more money because they found that special feel in heart. During Socialism, which started after war, people took over and they voted for every aspect of their lives, bosses were unimportant, because they were voted into position and fired by workers. Try to fire your boss now, lets see what happens.
>so much worse to live in
[Citation needed.]
Seriously, that was true 20 years ago, but living standards today are at least as good they are in the West. In fact it's pretty usual for Hungarians to realize that shit they took for granted at home isn't found everywhere in the West or it's expensive enough that only really well-off locals can afford it.
Salaries are shit but the costs of living are pretty low as well, so you only really feel poor when you travel abroad.
Apparently, as evidenced by your case, you don't even have to be located chiefly within this blob to consider your country 'european'. :^)
>During Socialism, which started after war, people took over and they voted for every aspect of their lives, bosses were unimportant, because they were voted into position and fired by workers. Try to fire your boss now, lets see what happens.
you're talking with 0 prior knowledge of the situation
Let me put this into perspective; They follow as long as they can steal. The moment they can't - they just revert to what they were doing back in the day - from intimidation to bribery and theft.
You think they take any of the good aspects of the communist regime? of course they don't ! they only take bad parts that worked in their favor such as nepotism and spreading it further instead of stomping it
and the reality is the current ruling class has to die before the flame of ceaucescu's governance is extinguished