Which country outside of China (Taiwan notwithstanding) is the most culturally Chinese?

Which country outside of China (Taiwan notwithstanding) is the most culturally Chinese?

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idk

canada

Singapore?

Australia

Australia, New Zealand, Canada

Japan

No, Korea of course.

American culture lines up with chinese values very neatly

Singapore without a doubt because of the majority Chinese diaspora

This. Status worship and consumerism.

This.

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ceci

That's clearly Jap-freaking-an. What the balls?

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Meme answer: Canada

Real answer: Vietnam

Why Vietnam?

Are you serious? What about Singapore? They are literally Chinese people mostly.

Israel

Malaysia

Tbh, I should've excluded Singapore in the OP but I forgot

Vietnam, Korea, then Japan in descending order.

Vietnam as a country was basically founded by China. As a result, they are culturally quite similar to southern Chinese. Look at how much importance the viets places on the lunar new year.

Then Korea. Korea has extremely heavy influence from Ming China and had adopted many Confucian ideals. They were tributaries or direct vassals to China for most of their history. They are less Chinese than the Viets because modern Korea was hugely impacted by the Japanese.

Finally, Japan. Significant interaction with China ended over a thousand years ago in the latter part of the Tang era. The Japanese monarch claimed himself emperor (which was a title then reserved only to the ruler of the middle country), in defiance of China, thus claiming themselves equal to the Chinese. China couldn't do much about it since Japan was far away. This is in relation to the Viet and Korean monarchs who kept their title of King (except for a brief moment in Korea's case) in subservience to the Chinese emperor. Also, their monarchs were not permitted to wear the color yellow as it was a symbol of Chinese monarchy. The Japanese emperors blatantly ignored this too.

Basically, Korea and Vietnam generally had strong political and trade ties to China. Japan only had several isolated political interactions with China past the 10th century. Trade was also limited to so called red seal ships, and stopped completely after the Sengoku period. Much of Japan as we know it today developed during the several centuries of isolation, and by the relations resumed, it was no longer China influencing Japan.

Singapore

Korea was culturally isolated from Qing China IIRC, so was left to develop on its own for a bit too.

Korea is more similar to China, please admit it, my big brother.

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Exactly, Singaporean are literally Chinese immigrants. Vietnam are ethnically different, but got absolutely Sinicized

No shit OP isnt considering Singapore. Talking about how Chinese a city populated by Chinese is useless.

Singaporean is basically malay'd chink. There's almost no any culture clash between us and them.

Korea, objectively.

60% of Korean words are Chinese for example.

Whereas Vietnamese language basically comes from China. Korean is in an entirely different language group.

Koreans are the inbred rapebabies from Japan and China.
However, Japan uses the kanji.

Ayyy it's us, we are honary Ming dynasty.

What? Vietnamese is Austro-Asiatic it's grammar and word orders are very diffierent than that of Chinese. All three languages have around the same amount of chinese-derived word at around 60% and all three languages are from different families.

Vietnamese sounds like Cantonese.

FINALLY a good comment. Thanks.

Taiwan

June 4 Tiananmen Incident

>japan used to be the most sinicized and most obsessed with China
>now they are the least sinicized and fucking hate china

all according to keiaku

Their keikaku to have all of Asia Japacized (yamatocized?) failed

This is a misconception. Japan has never been as sinicized as those east asian countries, as said.
Contemporary use of kanji isn't indicative of sinicization that much, as kanji is just a part of Chinese culture. If you look into detail you'd find less similarities between Japan and China than those between Korea/Vietnam and China. Probably, the most sinicized moment in the history of Japan was a couple of centuries that began with the Taika Reform which aimed at Tang China and its centralization, but it didn't last so long. Eventually they ended up living in a feudal system, which coincidentally resembled European one in many ways. This is why Europeans can easily find their feudal Japanese analogues like: samurai = knights, daimyo = lords, shogun = king, emperor = pope, while it's hard in those centralized sinosphere countries.

And mentality-wise, the Japanese had already had a strong belief that they were different from China even before pre-modern period.
>"Great Japan is the divine land. The heavenly progenitor founded it, and the sun goddess bequeathed it to her descendants to rule eternally. Only in our country is this true; there are no similar examples in other countries. This is why our country is called the divine land."[4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnō_Shōtōki

This fine distance in terms of both geography and mentality was what made it possible for Japan to grasp the world and change itself drastically while others were bound to the Sino-centric world view and system.

are you a retarded burger or a delusional chink disapora? i'd find evidence to refute literally everything you just spewed if i cared enough, but your fucking posts are just too far gone on ignorance to even bother. if you had cared you'd do some research before spouting nonsense like "vietnamese is basically chinese because it sounds like it".

They are delusional weebs most likely stop arguing with them they only want to reinforce their bias than actually learn something new

Korea
They were loyal brothers in China
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Up untill the warring state period the Imperial court was essentially Chinese

Canada

Korea is Chinese slave
It's not Chinese cultura

Korea.

Korea and Vietnam is almost equally sino-fied but maybe Vietnam has some Southeast Asia influences.

Korean culture is straight up Ming dynasty. While Vietnam has some Qing(Manchurian) influences.

Japanese culture is Tang dynasty but it was so long ago that it evolved into it's unique form. Japan also has many native elemnts like tatami, shintoism, almost all wooden structures unlike mainland.

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Nope. They're ethnically chinese but culturally western-ish.
NOOO! It's Daulah Al-Islamiyyah.

Bro, we wuz Qingz and shit

Vietnam is far more sinicized than Korea. The Vietnamese language went through tonogenesis and the average Vietnamese has a substantial level of Chinese ancestry.

sorry nope.

yeah i always thought it was weird how vietnamese don’t look anything like other southeast asians and then i read they actually cluster closer to northeast asians like chinese. interesting genetic studies.

I think I’ve seen that one. The Vietnamese actually fall midway between NEA and SEA populations.

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lol

What is tonogenesis

>Noun. tonogenesis (uncountable) (linguistics) A process in which a language that lacks tones gains them.

Chinese was influenced by Tai-Kadai languages to develop tone and then Vietnamese developed tones under Chinese rule

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Manchus demanding king of Joseon to show some respect as their new younger brother.

>Country literally occupied and molded by China for a thousand years.
>Language butchered and made tonal by the Chinese
>Celebrates Chinese customs in a Chinese way, and gets butthurt when the Chinese dont call the Chinese new year "lunar new year"
>"muh weebs"
Can you really deny that Vietnam is the most sinicized between Korea, Vietnam, and Japan?

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