Sith or Jedi?

No Grey Bullshit.

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>peace is the basis for everything
Fucking hippies

The shit on the right is some fanfiction garbage. At least the left makes some sense.

Wow did JK Rowling write these?

Jedi obviously. Sith are just a bunch of whiny emo kids. The only cool sith were vader and maul.

Neither. Rather be a bounty hunter

sith because i aint giving up chicks for some bald old fucks

The Jedi are better for having no emotion.

>In the OT Jedi were a loosely organized order of space ronin who walked the universe keeping the peace to the extent most people think they were a myth
>Prequels turn them into a mass of autistic virgin monks who had a huge influence on galactic politics
>The prequel version is what defines the Jedi throughout the rest of the Star Wars franchise

thank G-D the Sequel trilogy kept the amount of force users to a minimum, Star Wars is so fucking boring when everyone has a lightsaber and can do CGI flips

Nu wars is going to ruin both factions anyways.

The shit on the left is some edgelord garbage. At least the right makes some sense.

Obi-Wan is the GOAT Jedi

What kind of retard made these. These are Sith and Jedi codes, they have nothing to do with Republic/Alliance/Empire/etc.

>trillions of people in the galaxy
>get autistic for having a few hundreds of force users

Just imagine all the pent up anger jedi's have, do they have psychiatrists?
I'd much rather be a sith than some passive-aggressive whiny loser.

Neither ideology makes any sense at all. The entire religion is half-baked. An entire fucking galaxy and not one fucking decent philosopher.

Jedi = stoic, calm, rational keepers of the peace

Sith = angry, deranged, violent sperglords

Sith all the way. Passion and greed are both allowed, and encouraged to make you grow as an individual. Same with sex, romance, and attachments. The Sith are all about self-improvement, unlike that Jedi hippie dogshit.

Plus, the Sith dress fucking rad to show off their power, wealth, and sense of achievement, rather than as filthy hobos and vagrants.

The Sith would normally be complete shit, but they are redeemed by this one man.

Actually, SWTOR had sith empire and old republic, with those symbols.
And yes, the Sith ruling the galaxy is Canon, Obi Wan said it

>Sith = angry, deranged, violent sperglords
Except this isnt true for most of the force users who were born into Sith ideology though. When you look those who never were a Jedi, they are usually pretty chill and calculative. They simply value strength and power over anything else.

When you look at fallen Jedi like Anakin or Kylo, they fit the description perfectly. Why is that?

Jedi code is based on betrying human nature, basically lying to yourself for years. Suppressing their emotion for such a long time then leads to borderline instanity when they can finally let go.

Now I think I went on way more than enough about this retarded fictional bullshit.

>OT Jedi were a loosely organized order of space ronin who walked the universe keeping the peace to the extent most people think they were a myth
Complete bullshit. Obi-Wan has been in exhile for decades same with Yoda. Since the Order was destroyed, it makes a lot of sense they don't follow their traditions anymore. Do you even know what a ronin is?

At no point are the Jedi ever implied to be drifters.

But sith code was never forced on regular citizens of the empire. It was still only a force user ideology.

The Sith Empire symbol was also canonized in the Lando comic

It wouldn't surprise me that the lack of other major religions is because the Jedi and Sith both did everything in their power to suppress or destroy anyone who didn't believe what they did. Kinda like the Crusades but they worked

Any details you can give? Quick rundown of the mention and lore behind it?

>not Darth Bane?
Why does he wear the mask?

Oh wait you said the symbol, I thought you meant they mentioned the Sith's empire in general

Sith and jedi are responsible for most of the conflicts and problems in the setting right?
Why don't normal people just round them all up and put them in space jail, or better yet get rid of them completly?

play KOTOR II

Jedi of course. I'm not a fucking edgelord and really that's all it really comes down to. People who chose Sith either think Evil is cool, being edgy is cool, or being contrarian is cool.

Why?

The Jedi are socialist collectivist authoritiarians, the Sith are individualist libertarians.

According to Disney's canon Sith is the toxic masculinity.

In the OT the Jedi have been in hiding due to the Empire and the Dark Lord having such significant power. This is in the OT you moron. Sorry the PT wasn't what you wanted but that's a stupid argument.

>star wars is so fucking boring when eeryone has a lightsaber and can do CGI flips
I disagree, it was incredibly entertaining and befitting super human ninjas.

Isn't "order" the Sith equivalent of "peace?"
stopped reading there

That's funny, the Jedi who was a passive aggressive whiny loser turned to the Dark Side. All the Jedi who learn to deal with their emotions however, sit on the counsel and are granted the rank of master.

>Sith and jedi are responsible for most of the conflicts and problems in the setting right?
Only twice

Both orders are fucking retarded extremeists.

Jedi:
>Hurr Durr peace through the removal of emotion. Daring to question the status quo is a thought crime. Sterilisation and the stagnation of philosophy is smart.

Sith:
>Hurr Durr we are gods who do as we please. There can only be two of us now lol cos other wise we have tantrums about who has the biggest dick.

I'd rather walk away mate.

Jedi = Virgin Betas
Sith = Chad Alphas

That's the warped, bullshit version.
According to the OT, The Jedi were protectors and guardians who only acted in self defense. Anyways, Darth Vader and the Empire DID round up all the Jedi and kill them. (Except for Obi Wan and Yoda, and these are direct quotes from them.)

The only reason other Jedi are able to "deal" with it, is because they were raised in the creepy cult-like environment since birth, and don't know any other life. Anakin had a taste of normalcy before he was ripped away from his mother, and knowledge of being "normal" before having his emotions suffocated by a bunch of hippies.

It was the Jedi that turned Anakin into a whiny douchemaster, he didn't become one in spite of them.

>No Grey Bullshit
Kreia's efforts were wasted on this world.

>hurr durr peace through the removal of emotion
They are right though. And they didn't go on a campaign to expunge emotions on citizens. They only demanded control over one's emotions from their VOLUNTARY Jedi members who VOLUNTARILY SACRIFICED a normal life in service of a higher purpose. Something NEETs on Sup Forums don't understand.

>Daring question the status quo is a thought crime
I don't even see how you came to this conclusion.

>Sterilisation and the stagnation of philosophy is smart
Idk what you're trying to say here. If you're referring to Jedi not being allowed to reproduce (BTW Ki-Adi Mundi was for practical purposes) then you should know that the Jedi's Republic wasn't having any sort of population problem. And what makes you think the philosophy is stagnated?

And Jedi is literally feminism.
At least if the leaks are correct.
Thank a lot Kathleen Kennedy

KOTOR II is literally about how the retarded dogma of the Jedi and Sith binds the galaxy to eternal suffering. The common people can't stand either the Jedi or the Sith, as all they do is cause them to die in their wars over religion. The villain is ultimately trying to kill the Force in order to free the galaxy from its influence.

Seriously, it's written by a guy who thinks Star Wars makes no sense and set out to tear down its conventions. It's basically a deconstruction of the franchise as a whole.

>kill the Force
that's retarded

>creepy
>cult like
>since birth
They are picked at a young age. I don't think anyone said they were picked since birth. They and their parents volunteer for this and they can leave at any time.

>ripped away from his mother
Top fucking kek. He and his mother were slaves. He volunteered to go ecstatically. His mother volunteered him knowing his life would be better and he was destined for it.

What is creepy about the environment in which the child jedi are raised? They are given probably the best education in the entire galaxy. They get to see many parts of the galaxy most people wont. They are taught to harness abilities they otherwise may not control or adapt well to surrounded by normies. They are fed well, clothed, and housed. They have all manner of resources available to them.

No Anakin turned into a douchemaster in spite of the Jedi. This is shown multiple times throughout the movies. His case is exceptional btw and it is silly to hold the members of the Jedi order as perfect mistake-less being while criticizing them for seemingly not accommodating the imperfections of individuals.

That's usually what a lot of criticism of the Jedi comes down to. Well gee they aren't perfect. If they were they wouldn't be relatable or interesting. There wouldn't be an interesting story if they foresaw everything the Sith Lord was planning and the downfall of Anakin.

Luke in this point is Kreia 2.0 Disney version
He is going to destroy the force in the end of this trilogy

he is right though

>religion
When will this meme die?

What would DOOM be?

>KOTOR II is literally about how the retarded dogma of the Jedi and Sith binds the galaxy to eternal suffering
Only true in Legends. Canonically the Sith only destroyed the Republic and Jedi once. But this is mostly Avellons take on Star Wars + lots of EU books. Since EU authors keep repeating the constant Jedi and Sith wars and not following Lucas's vision its not a surprise KOTOR 2 is the way it is

Sith for the fact that you can be pro-active with your powers instead of sitting in a monastery your whole life doing nothing. I think most Sith end up ruling the galaxy for a while right?

I choose grey because you can't tell me what to do you're not even my real dad. They're both fucking stupid.
>act like a fucking evil asshole all the time because muh passion muh desires (even though you ruin your whole life and the only desire you have left is to conquer the galaxy for some fucking reason, as though anybody would want to deal with that administrative nightmare. You could conquer 1/1,000,000,000th of the galaxy and still be able to live a lifestyle more extravagant than you could ever possibly need)
vs
>deny all pleasure and joy in life because everything that might even remotely threaten to cause your heart to beat leads to the dark side. Also you get roped in to this lifestyle when you're too young to remember anything else presumably because that's the only way they can get people to not quit so they can have fun again

>autistic virgin monks
This is the real problem. Jedi create their own worst enemies though bizarre and unnatural practices. Look at how much damage one teenager with a boner did just because the Jedi rules said you weren't allowed to fuck a girl.

Kinda surprised the Jedi aren't engaged in a Catholic-style pederasty scandal.

basically

lando steals sheevs personal yacht that has a bunch of art including a room full of sith stuff (that anons pic related). also in the aftermath novels, a main character (timmen) has a shop with an area with a lot of valuable artifacts and its mentions that there's depections of an extinct race of darkskin humanoids that always wear dark cloaks. in the new darth maul series maul has a flashback of when sheev takes him to the sith temple on malachor and specifically mentions a sith empire thats all i got.

>He and his mother were slaves.
So fucking what? They don't allow families to see each other form loving attachments afterward. That's sick.

>What is creepy about the environment in which the child jedi are raised?
Being martially trained and indoctrinated into a dogmatic religious ideology, for one.

>This is shown multiple times throughout the movies.
No, it's shown that the Jedi's ideology is leading him to mental illness due to repressed emotions and an extremely controlled environment. There's a reason why Yoda was against training Anakin: he was too old. Anakin had already developed attachments to his mother, and later Padme. That's why the Jedi go after inducting toddlers: those attachments haven't fully formed and can be far more easily broken in very young children. Anakin was also the only Jedi shown who was inducted after forming those attachments, besides Luke.

>criticizing them for seemingly not accommodating the imperfections of individuals
If your ideology can't take care of, and focus on the individual needs of it's members, it's a shit ideology. Jedi are compared to Communists or cultists for a reason.

It's been canon since the prequels
Sheev said once more the sith will rule the galaxy.

If Jedi are Communists, what are the Sith?

Libertarian

Egotistical narcissistic individualists. They would likely be libertarians or libertines. Lucas, being a leftist, thinks that "individualism" means becoming a Fascist.

>being martially trained and indoctrinated into a dogmatic religious idealogy, for one

What religion? They literally can do all the things Jedi would have claimed. There's not fairy tale involved there. Maybe you're referring to their ethics? With great power comes great responsibility.

>there's a reason why yoda was against training anakin: he was too old
Exactly. Anakin was the exception that many elder Jedi saw problems with.

>if your ideology can't take care of less than 1% of your members who is a literal force of nature, then it's a shit ideology.

>jedi are communists
Communism is a economic ideology. Not only did the Jedi largely stay out of politics when they could have ruled the galaxy, they supported a capitalist republic. For some reason I see a lot of right wingers supporting the sith and the empire these days.

These arguments make every organization of people sound like a cult. It's hyperbolic.

>jedi actively protect people
>hurr they are the same as the sith

kotor 2 was post-modern trash

anarcho-egoists

What utter retardation.
>I like the Empire, therefore they are my ideology. There isn't much in the movies to tell what the Empire's economic policies are. But I imagine they are using a lot of taxes to fund their massive war machines and they are always portrayed as hierarchical. They were literally built by the subterfuge of a capitalist republic under a literal dictator and have a more centralized government position then the republic did. Not to mention the crony capitalism involved during the Clone War.

egoists

>What religion?
Are you retarded? The Jedi were literally called "warrior MONKS". They are a monastic order, a RELIGION.

>Exactly. Anakin was the exception that many elder Jedi saw problems with.
And it was their repressive horseshit that drove him loony, as it would any previously normal person.

>if your ideology can't take care of less than 1% of your members who is a literal force of nature, then it's a shit ideology.
It should be focusing on them as individuals, not as a group. It's because of that thinking that Anakin's issues were overlooked.

>Communism is a economic ideology.
True, the more correct term would be "collectivists".

>For some reason I see a lot of right wingers supporting the sith and the empire these days.
>Anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!
Funny how George put the individualist Sith in charge of a Fascist organization, despite the Jedi being better suited to a Fascist or Communist dictatorship, as both of those arise from wanting to do "the greater good" and bring about "equality" and "harmony".

Indestructible parasitic bugs. If he removes it, it'll be extremely painful

>Lucas, being a leftist, thinks that "individualism" means becoming a Fascist.
or maybe they are actually just assholes and lucas wasn't trying to use his cartoon to make a political statement

Both sides are retarded in their purest form.

However, light side is still dumber. "There is no emotion" is just a complete lie.

>or maybe they are actually just assholes and lucas wasn't trying to use his cartoon to make a political statement
I seriously fucking doubt that. Lucas created the Empire to be the United States in his vision. He even related the Ewoks and the Rebel Alliance to the Vietcong.

Virtually nothing Hollywood puts out doesn't have political messaging buried in it.

>Lucas created the Empire to be the United States in his vision
source?
>He even related the Ewoks and the Rebel Alliance to the Vietcong.
they are both gorilla forces innawoods. that isn't political by itself.

You failed to explain how they are a religion. It's common for people to criticize them as such but beyond taking influences in dress and organizational structure, they aren't religious in the way that counts. The way you're trying to pain them as. They aren't indoctrinating people with false promises of salvation and connection to a mythical divine deity.

>it should be focusing on them as individuals
This is just a backpedal. They do both. They have mentors. They seek counseling from elders. Anakin is shown in counseling with Yoda. The vast majority of the Jedi order turn out fine. No they aren't perfect and Anakin is incredibly exceptional. His issues weren't over looked either. Many had concerns and they tried to take care of him as one would take care of a brother. In the end they weren't good enough to save him. Contrast this with the Sith. Palpatine corrupts Anakin, using his naivety to serve his own bidding with no care for Anakin's long term well being.

>the more correct term would be "collectivists"
The Jedi live as a commune. But that only applies to them. They allow and defend a pluralistic capitalist republic. They are a voluntary organization and for dedicating your life to the order, voluntarily, your housing, food, and other resources are provided for you. It's part of their mission.
>individualist sith in charge of a fascist organization
Like a sith, you're really twisting the words here. Any dictator himself is a individualist. Any dictatorship will have an individualist at the top. But they are the antithesis of individualist social structures. Palpatine isn't promoting the individualism of anyone but himself. Everyone else is a tool for him. Tyranus is a tool for him. The war is a tool for him and all the lives killed along the way. Maul was a tool for him. In all of the EU, the empire is shown as a pyramid.

Sith are cool, but the rule of two is utterly retarded

It is so glaringly obvious that the Empire is the Nazi. How does one miss this? It's got to be one of the most easily recognizable references in cinema. The galactic republic on the other hand is meant to resemble the UN and the US.

>having no emotion
>Obi wan gets pissed of and angry in all the prequels
>luke gets mad at vader

you have the worst opinions kike

Luke getting mad at Vader is him giving into the dark side.

both are from swotor you shit sucker

That was stupid
>I know we're evil galactic tyrants but if you kill us then you'll magically be an evil galactic tyrant too! Haha!
It's like on the level of kids on the playground saying "nuh uh I've got a forcefield"

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand str wars. The symbolism is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Lucas anthropology most of the dialogue will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also sith's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from the old republic, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these visuals, to realise that they're not just awesome - they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Star Wars truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depth in Phantom menace's existential catchphrase " You must have Jedi reflexes if you race pods." which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Luca's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.

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He stated that the Ewoks were directly inspired by the barbaric and evil Viet Cong.

>They aren't indoctrinating people with false promises of salvation and connection to a mythical divine deity.
By that retarded standard, Buddhism isn't a religion. The Jedi are based off of mystical traditional beliefs and shamanism.

>Anakin is shown in counseling with Yoda.
You mean where Yoda completely missed that Anakin was in pain, and the Jedi lifestyle was destroying him because of their retarded forbidding of love and personal attachments? Yeah, what of it? Yoda didn't care about Anakin, and just regurgitated some mantras about being "calm" and shit.

>Palpatine corrupts Anakin, using his naivety to serve his own bidding with no care for Anakin's long term well being.
By promising to help the person Anakin loved. Palpatine was able to manipulate Anakin because he actually listened to him, unlike Yoda. It's really no wonder that he turned to the only guy who was willing to give a shit about his personal problems and be friendly and personable.

>Like a sith, you're really twisting the words here. Any dictator himself is a individualist. Any dictatorship will have an individualist at the top. But they are the antithesis of individualist social structures.
In other words: literally not a fucking individualist. Just because a dictator is an individual, does not make him an "individualist". An individualist recognizes and respects others as individuals that have rights. Only a collectivist society can produce a dictatorship, as those require a centralized state.

>It is so glaringly obvious that the Empire is the Nazi.
You seem to not know how to read. I stated why they are portrayed as "Nazis", and it isn't just for a WWII reference. George, like all leftists, hates the USA and thinks of it like they are the new "Nazis". The movies came after the 60s and the America-hating hippie movement.

>By that retarded standard, Buddhism isn't a religion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(Buddhism)

>Communism is a economic ideology
>seize the means of production

Are you a fucktard?

>Not only did the Jedi largely stay out of politics

They resided on the absolute top of the most important planet in the galaxy and were send to diplomatic missions for past thousand years.
What do you call 'political' than this?

Based Sith. You can use Jedi abilities as well. Also you don't NEED to be evil

Is this a copypasta?

Having the power they had, their role was reserved for peace keeping, diplomacy (basically advice and working toward cooperative solutions. They protected a representative republic with a capitalist ecnomic system.

Contrast that wtih the Sith who seat themselves as dictators over a non representative government.

>they resided at the top of the most important planet in the galaxy
So?

Rule of One is worse. Glad it's no longer canon.
One Sith Lord with a bunch of weaker Sith at his command. Once he's dead the "Sith" are weakened.

>The only cool sith were vader and maul.
That's a weird way to spell Palpatine.

I saw it already in a couple of threads, so I copied it, started on a godzilla thread if i recall

>One Sith Lord with a bunch of weaker Sith at his command. Once he's dead the "Sith" are weakened.
like any group with a leader?

>America-hating hippy movement
The hippies opposed the war and empirialism and politically labeled anti-American by certain conservatives for this. You types are so far up your ass, you don't realize that you guys are now anti interventionist but can't admit you have that in common with the hippies.

Jedi all day long

How old are you. Does your father not love you because he misunderstand your issues and doesn't always give you the advice you need? Grow up edgelord

No legit apprentices to take over as the main Dark Lord

Jedi
>claim to want balance in the force
>also want to kill every last Sith but are just fine having as many trained Jedi as they can find.

Jeri's are hypocritical fags by nature. If the Jedi really want balance, they'd kill themselves off until there's only one or two left.

In fact, here's the ultimate redpill that awaits you at the end of your Star Wars childhood obsession. The Sith, Jedi and force are all inherently retarded concepts, even as fictional ones, and they require a child's mind to entertain.

Star Wars is, has, and always will be nonsical garbage that is only outdone on the retarded scale by Harry Potter.

The end.

how can people be this fucking stupid

the jedi way is the "balanced path". wanting balance in the force means everyone acts detached and shit like the jedi.

stupid fuck.

>here's the ultimate redpill that awaits you at the end of your Star Wars childhood obsession
It's pathetic that you didn't realize this was fantastical fiction even as a child and think this is some "ultimate redpill" to inform adults of.

Is that Rand Mcnallys mom?