What are your favorite films in terms of editing?
I'm auditing a basic editing course and I'm beginning to see why it's called the invisible art. When I look for good editing, it's tough to distinguish between editing, directing (storyboarding), and cinematography. Aside from famous, explicit cuts it's difficult to distinguish it, even though it's so important to making a good film.
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Good editing is not noticing editing.
batman vs superman
Yeah, but that's just the baseline for good editing, and of course breaking the rules is just as effective as following them, sometimes.
The editing in this film is astounding. It is a significant factor in a large chunk of the humour and also for creating the atmosphere.
In the commentary with Tarantino, Edgar Wright even says that he used a trick where he makes some dialogue snappier by splitting down the screen and splicing it together again so that responses and comebacks are quicker.
Nah dialogue editing is the real invisible art.
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Run lola run cutting to the beat is a neat gimmick
That is Edgar wright's signature
raging bull or primer
Mulholland Drive is a really good example of a movie that uses objectively "bad" editing in a clever way.
How so?
I'm definitely checking out Hot Fuzz again for that reason. I've seen it brought up a lot in editing discussions.
One of the best examples is how sound editing is used to intentionally add a sense of artificiality to the film's atmosphere. It's really apparent at the airport scene near the beginning of the movie when Betty is talking and her voice is clearly out of sync with the picture. Most people who watch the movie might not notice something like that directly, especially during their first viewing, but they might pick up on the fact that something just feels "off" which is exactly what Lynch is going for. This idea of artificiality is explored more in the movie set sequence with the 50s pop aesthetic where the actors and actresses are clearly lip syncing, and then again with the Club Silencia sequence where the guy explicitly tells the audience that it's all fake, and yet Betty and Rita are still moved to tears by another lip syncing performer.
is it really out-of-synch?? Only thing I notice is that she talks very fake. And the music adds to it.
Thanks for elaborating, although I didn't really notice the dialogue being out-of-sync in that scene. I mean, it's completely artificial, but still.
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The biggest giveaway is when she says "Okay, Irene." Around the 1:00 mark.
I had to dub two movies once, it was a fucking horrendous task. My hearing is shit in such things, that barely helped matters.
regarding this scene, it's still fine to me. idk. Must be reaaally slightly done.
Watching Hot Fuzz now. I've seen it a few times, but I never appreciated just how fucking kinetic the whole thing is. Not only are the scene transitions impeccable, but the editing is a perfection fusion of action and comic timing. It's a really forceful kind of comedy, which suits Nicholas's character perfectly.
>The opening scene where he's butting up against his superiors and every time the tension rises it just falls out the bottom of the bucket and another superior comes in
>The montages of his career and traveling, very effective use of ellipses with both sound and image, it isn't stale at all
>The cuts on movement are all very sharp, but natural
Like it's incredibly aggressive, but it works so well.
why not just make the actors say their lines faster?
Bad edittor here.
If you want something to NOT DO, watch Carry the Chloe Moretz version.
In that scene where she talks to her boyfriend or whatever sitting on a car, they made like 5 elemental mistakes.
Now THESE are the threads I love Sup Forums for
Unfortunately I don't have anything to add, but lurking all the same. Interesting as fuck
I imagine it's difficult for them to all be on point all the time. It's the difference between having a ton of great takes you can cut down and faster, and a few workable ones you do less with.
I just finished watching the Thin Red Line. It cuts between images really beautifully. Following characters eyes to the next cut, and creating a story and expressing themes through montage.
I''m looking through films for a project, and I got a few minutes into Lawrence of Arabia. Not much, but I noticed that the scenes often start with inserts or closeups and only then throw in wide, establishing shots. There's two right at the beginning.
>Scene opens on Lawrence's bust, then after a short conversation we cut to an establishing shot of the building where it is, as the action moves outside
>This transitions to Lawrence mapping in Arabia, cuts to an ECU of the map and pulls back and up to show him marking it. Then we get a LoS to a basement window showing a camel going by, so we know where we are in two respects.
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Not the entire film per se, but one of my favorite moments of editing in a comedy is in Superbad, the scene where Seth is envisioning the different ways procuring liqour could go down. I always love when the music just cuts instantaneously and he's walking out all agitated and empty-handed.
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Goodfellas
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Batman V Superman (theatrical cut)
Here's a great video on the editing and framing of Fury Road which shows how even the fast cut scenes are almost entirely seamless
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This one !!
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I don't remember his name right now but pretty much all the films he directed has got spot on editing.
Grand Budapest
Tenenbaums
Zissiou
I also think Trainspotting has got pretty good editing; its not as overt as something like Hot Fuzz so it doesn't immediately jump out at you but its there.
Verhovens films are pretty well put together too.
A pretty well known and lauded editor is Sally Menke(Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction)
I also think that most of the old Disney films are edited in a fantastic way. Could probably try to emulate them in some way, get some ideas at least.
The Departed. It's a full season's worth of what could be a modern television drama condensed into 2 and a half hours. Dialogue from one scene continues over the next. Montages are perfect.
Thelma's the best.
Because that affects their performance in the process of filming.
Plus you use editing to set the pace, not the other way around.
Editing is the most important device in Natural Born Killers
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Recommended software for amateurs?
Adobe Premiere and After Effects, 100%. It's a perfect mix between being easy enough to basically master through youtube tutorials (After Effects less so) and being powerful enough to cut a major motion picture on (Gone Girl was cut with Premiere and After Effects). As it exists today it's really a fantastic piece of software that's gone through some major, major improvements in the past decade or so.
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>It's a full season's worth of what could be a modern television drama condensed into 2 and a half hours
For me that feeling made it frustrating to the point of nearly being unwatchable. It felt like I was watching a fan edit of a TV show. It felt like there was so much more that I was missing.
So?
Gummo. God tier work right there.
I like Jiang Wen's editing because it's always noticeable to the point it's annoying.
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not the other user but I've definitely noticed that during Mulholland
That's called fantastic world building bruv
It looks like it's been ADRed. Knowing Lynch, it might be on purpose like user said.
For some reason I never liked that 2001 famous cut.
And there's an annoying cut in sin city when bruce takes out his gun.
In the Mood for Love has great editing (and great everything to be fair)
Tell that to Breathless
The last die hard is full of bad editing as well. The fucking car chase scene gave me seizures.
ScarJo in the shell is also an object lesson in how not to edit or block a movie too.
You're talking about pic related?
>I never liked that 2001 famous cut.
Really? That match cut is probably my favorite edit in cinema. It just works so well on so many levels. Itsa million years of exposition boiled down into a singular transition.
Great editing is noticing how great it is
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Good channel on editing - helps that the guy is a legit film editor and even has done live streams of just editing his projects.
Shows off how something as simple as a L cut can turn awkward incompetence like Neil Breen into at least smooth editing.
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american psycho, they shot the scenes with the detective where he knows/doesnt know/suspects and edited all three versions randomly during the film so you dont know know if he knows Bateman did it or not
Another movie I like for editing is a Chinese movie called A Flower in the Raining Night.
Too bad I can't find any clip on YouTube.
The Phantom edit is what made me appreciate how important editing is in film. If you listen to his commentary track he talks a lot about the editing process.
Fanedits in general are really interesting to me because I have a baseline to compare them too.
most of Nolan and Fincher stuff has flawless editing
that's one of the main reasons they're above all other big-budget directors
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The movement of the bone and ship are not the same making the jump cut weird.
I know it means passage of time or what we were and what we've become but it doesn't work for me.
>Nolan
>Flawless editing
Get the fuck out of here tripfag.
The Conversation is an editing masterclass that was essentially directed from the editing room by one of the greatest living editors Walter Murch
Not enough people realize you can read long interviews with some of the best editors in Hollywood for free
you're referring to TDKR fight scenes right?
>The movement of the bone and ship are not the same
They are though. They're both twisting through the air as they fall back to earth, but in space that falling motion is an orbital.
That change of vector is the part that gives me the chills. It's the idea that the monolith has evolved us towards another frame of reference or dimensional awareness which comes back with the space baby and stargate at the end. Its another dimensional shift.
i'm at the high end of my field, usually do trashy music videos for chart acts because somehow that's what i'm now known for and i can work a couple of weeks and take a month off after it. i'm pretty lazy so it works out.
anyway, my point is that i did film at uni and specialising in editing and didn't really take in much. it's almost like perfect pitch or having good tempo, if you're a good editor things just look off if they're wrong settle right in your brain. a bad editor won't notice it. you can learn techniques to make the most of it, but as a rule you either have it or you don't. if you do have it you can go right to the top with next to fuck all instruction.
The bone is going down and the ship down left. Maybe it's the previous cut from sky to sky that annoys me.
If you like it's ok, every one likes it except me I must be autistic.
lol pretty much this
I never wanted to edit and I have no musical background and I've been working on music shows and music videos for 10 years.
Editor here, this and Malick's other work has been some of the most exciting to watch
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One of the first books I read on editing and is great for babby's first edit
Is there a way I can start learning the basics while I save up for a capable set up to run Adobe? I'm a real third world poorfag
There's a free version of Avid now, lynda.com has the best tutorials for software, only like $20 for 30 days.
Something in orbit doesn't fall straight down. Its like if you throw a ball, right. It goes up and comes back down. If you throw it hard enough to get out of the gravity well it would go off in a hyperbolic arc.
If you threw it just right it would take longer to fall back to earth than the earth is directly under it, so its constantly falling towards earth. Its conveying the idea that we're still monkeys throwing bones in the air, but our arm has gotten more precise.
Sorry user, I don't mean to argue about it, it's just such a great edit that worlessly informs so much of the film.
Good editing is plebs not noticing.
If you're not a pleb, you should be noticing good editing.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is a pretty good film to study imo. Steven Soderberg made a cut of it on his blog that strips out the original audio and grades the film to B&W as an exercise to better understand the film's staging/editing:
I hated the movie but this really worked
Thanks for making a good thread OP. I really enjoy these discussions
>Stephen Soderberg
It's Stephen Spielberg you nit
Soderbergh did the recut
>reading comprehension
Jay Rabinowitz, he's pretty well rounded having made something this frenetic and also almost all if not all of Jarmusch's pictures. Ghost Dog is the best of them in terms of editing imo.
Plebs make up the majority of movie watchers. Look at this fucking board.
The editing in that movie is phenomenal stuff.
What's the best software for editing?
Premiere. Avid if you want to collaborate with other editors. Fuck Vegas.
Decent thread. Bump.
any movie that does that transition of an object that looks like another one that has a similar shape. I clap everytime
Lost City of Z did that: Liquid slithering towards the drain to a train going lengthwise down a track. loved it.
That's really pushing it.
That gravity shit isn't relevant at all to that scene/cut
I like the north by northwest cut, if you know what I mean ;)
Thanks